tbh what does that mean really?Taming a force of nature without someone to teach you and no manual to how it's done is not impressive but copying tsunades technique is somehow more impressive just because
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tbh what does that mean really?Taming a force of nature without someone to teach you and no manual to how it's done is not impressive but copying tsunades technique is somehow more impressive just because
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Sasuke commands the heavens. Bring forth lightning like zues himself and being totally honest the manga was very vague about it because it's something that just can't be explained I supposetbh what does that mean really?
not true, since he had to make the thunderclouds himself/with itachi's ama. Where as zeus would just make the clouds at will(actually i don't even think that's necessary)Sasuke commands the heavens. Bring forth lightning like zues himself
Kirin is still pretty coolnot true, since he had to make the thunderclouds himself/with itachi's ama. Where as zeus would just make the clouds at will(actually i don't even think that's necessary)
Tbh i don't see how sasuke guiding naturally existing lightning, is and different than lets say zabuza guiding preexisting water. And when put into that perspective it doesn't really feel like some grand tech.
Now im not discrediting kirins power its just again. Using a preesisting element for your elemental techs doesn't seem like some god tier skill. In fact back in part 1 it was the other way around.
Tsuande didn't. Really teach Sakura, most of Sakura feats are hers alone , tsuande simply gave her the means and Sakura applied her knowledge and skill to do whatever. Medical ninjutsu is just using your chakra to effect the body.Taming a force of nature without someone to teach you and no manual to how it's done is not impressive but copying tsunades technique is somehow more impressive just because
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kirin was already known for its speed.It was only drawn out the first time he did it because he was unveiling a new tech and savoring his "victory"Kirin is still pretty cool
All be it self healing and regeneration is even crazier
On the Kirin bit though... Sasuke is VOTE 2 (at least I saw it in the anime) was able to quick shoot Kirin down on Naruto compared to the slower approach with Itachi but unlike the fight with his brother, there were already thunderclouds in the sky when facing Naruto.
What Sasuke needs is Purple Lightning, as the Kakashi novel stated that it can summon thunderclouds by shooting it up in the air.
Guiding and shaping Kirin requires you to tame lightning itself per Zetsu's statement because if lightning chakra was all that was needed many shinobi would have used Kirin by now and zetsu wouldn't have been as surprised. The difference doesn't need to be visual to be established as the rules of the manga already established what is and what's not. Water style users can control water using their chakra and earth style users the same way. Fire,lightning style and wind style users produce their own element. If someone can tame wind then they can simply suffocate the atoms sphere around a user while it still being completely invisibile to their opponent.not true, since he had to make the thunderclouds himself/with itachi's ama. Where as zeus would just make the clouds at will(actually i don't even think that's necessary)
Tbh i don't see how sasuke guiding naturally existing lightning, is and different than lets say zabuza guiding preexisting water. And when put into that perspective it doesn't really feel like some grand tech.
Now im not discrediting kirins power its just again. Using a preesisting element for your elemental techs doesn't seem like some god tier skill. In fact back in part 1 it was the other way around.
you mean guiding and shaping lightning. Kirin is just the name of the tech. Its no different than guiding and shaping water. Water dragon is just the name of the tech.Guiding and shaping Kirin requires you to tame lightning itself per Zetsu's statement because if lightning chakra was all that was needed many shinobi would have used Kirin by now and zetsu wouldn't have been as surprised. The difference doesn't need to be visual to be established as the rules of the manga already established what is and what's not. Water style users can control water using their chakra and earth style users the same way. Fire,lightning style and wind style users produce their own element. If someone can tame wind then they can simply suffocate the atoms sphere around a user while it still being completely invisibile to their opponent.
It's simple don't overthink things because you're just trying to apply logic that doesn't exist in a fictional manga
you mean guiding and shaping lightning. Kirin is just the name of the tech. Its no different than guiding and shaping water. Water dragon is just the name of the tech.
i don't take zetsu's surprise to mean anything. Dude calls himself kaguya's will, but acts as if hes never seen susanoo when itachi pulls it out, despite knowing madara, indra, and uchihas since the very first uchiha.
And according to that same zetsu its only on a different scale because he used a pre existing source. Which makes sense.
Kakashi with preexting water can pull off this:
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sure its not small hill busting like kirin, but without it he can only do a small water wall. With the only ppl even cloming close to doing techs on that scale without preexisting water is mei (kage) and kisame (practical jin)
Not really trueIn part 1 water jutsu was only meant to be used with the source with tobirama being the exception. Rules of the manga changed a lot from then as we see many shinobi use water jutsu without a source being present so it just goes to show how much the author bends the rules of the manga to his liking.
Kirin is a unique jutsu and zetsu was surprised by susanoo as he was surprised about the weapons Itachi possessed. Kirin was capable of busting a mountain essentially a tbb level technique performed without chakra present. Kakashi kisame and meis jutsu all required an abundance of chakra to be gathered. Sasukes technique can be nothing short of miraculous as he tamed the power of lightning to do his bidding.
Kirin is made with Senjutsu,that is,Natural Energy.The Dragon comes to life hence why Zetsu uses the word tame instead of control.You do know non living things cannot be tamed right?Kabuto uses Senjutsu/NE to induce life into Inanimate Substances like stone.The dragon even roared like a sentient creature.Your simplification of the technique with irrelevant water techniques is literally nonsensical.Not really true
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water release hiding in water. But kakashi notes in the very next chapter that it hasn't rained for days.
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Not to mention that that excuse doesn't really hold up cuz hes a kage. Using high lvl water tech's without a water source is expected of him (as stated by orochimaru) he's easily added to the list alongside mei (another kage) and kisame(need i say more).Especially since he also did water dragon from his mouth, whereas kakashi needed a body of water. Couple with the fact that kakashi needed 44 hand seals where as tobirama only used 1.
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that jutsu he calls susanoo. . .
given who he is and who he knows he should know full well the risks that come along with susanoo. In Fact he knew more about the spirit items, and orochimaru's 8 headed snake than that of susanoo. So again his surprise means little to nothing.
As for the rest, we really don't know the chakra breakdown. I can easily assume kakashi using water vortex and water dragon with pre existing water has to be easier on his chakra reserves than for him to make the water himself. Especially given his low chakra amount at the beginning of the show, and we've never seen mei use preesisting water. Where as for kisame's large scale techs he usually makes the water himself.
all im saying is i don't see a difference.
lool. Just realizing how that 'tame lightning' statement pretty much took me for a spin and made it look like it was something super great when its pretty much what we've seen done throughout the series with other elements. No doubt Kirin is deadly.. but that over the top hype is cleared from my eyes now xDNot really true
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water release hiding in water. But kakashi notes in the very next chapter that it hasn't rained for days.
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Not to mention that that excuse doesn't really hold up cuz hes a kage. Using high lvl water tech's without a water source is expected of him (as stated by orochimaru) he's easily added to the list alongside mei (another kage) and kisame(need i say more).Especially since he also did water dragon from his mouth, whereas kakashi needed a body of water. Couple with the fact that kakashi needed 44 hand seals where as tobirama only used 1.
bold is false.
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that jutsu he calls susanoo. . .
given who he is and who he knows he should know full well the risks that come along with susanoo. In Fact he knew more about the spirit items, and orochimaru's 8 headed snake than that of susanoo. So again his surprise means little to nothing.
As for the rest, we really don't know the chakra breakdown. I can easily assume kakashi using water vortex and water dragon with pre existing water has to be easier on his chakra reserves than for him to make the water himself. Especially given his low chakra amount at the beginning of the show, and we've never seen mei use preesisting water. Where as for kisame's large scale techs he usually makes the water himself.
all im saying is i don't see a difference.
Bold lolKirin is made with Senjutsu,that is,Natural Energy.The Dragon comes to life hence why Zetsu uses the word tame instead of control.You do know non living things cannot be tamed right?Kabuto uses Senjutsu/NE to induce life into Inanimate Substances like stone.The dragon even roared like a sentient creature.Your simplification of the technique with irrelevant water techniques is literally nonsensical.
'Bad temper' isn't a living thing.tame
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adjective: tame; comparative adjective: tamer; superlative adjective: tamest
- make less powerful and easier to control.
"the battle to tame inflation"
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"Christine had learned to tame her bad temper"
Bad Temper is a emotion.Emotions are only produced if the vessel has feelings.In short,life is a must.lool. Just realizing how that 'tame lightning' statement pretty much took me for a spin and made it look like it was something super great when its pretty much what we've seen done throughout the series with other elements. No doubt Kirin is deadly.. but that over the top hype is cleared from my eyes now xD
However, wasn't it white zetsu that was saying that stuff about Susanoo?
Bold lol
'Bad temper' isn't a living thing.
I'm simply applying logic , which ur failing to do as usual.Why are you applying real word logic to things? Many people survived lightning release in the manga, if Naruto could tank a chidori in part 1 , it's doing nothing to a CR user .
Sakura isn't as weak as you think, Sakura is even immune to paralysis via willpower. She fought off poisons that attack the nervous system. The only reason Sakura wasn't a match for Sasuke is because of her emotions.
In a serious fight Sasuke isn't low diffing anyone. Medical ninjutsu isn't to be taken lightly , especially Sakuras .
And if tsuande body can survive light speed teleportation, I'm pretty sure Sakura can too, tsuande being senju and uzumaki have nothing to do with it,
LOL , Base Naruto after training with Jiraiya.A good percentage of the Sakura fans here don't take facts about Byakugo likely. If i had said it point blank like you did, i might have been accused of being a salty Hinata fan and i really wasn't ready to deal with any insecurities at the time XD What base Naruto are you referring to btw?
Not even war arc sakura is stronger than Ep2 Sasuke let alone Ep2 Sakura who factually can't perceive sasuke shunshin. So no she was not anywhere near the strongest, that spot goes to sasuke who was leagues above the other two at that point.Was Sakura the strongest member of team 7 right after the time skip?
Sakura healing from something that destroyed the entire uchiha hideout and Susanoo in one go? What are you pple smoking? and It's not a one time technique.But its a one time technique and she'd heal
you can tell who's talking based off of how the words look. Black zetsu's words are like double bolded, not to mention the thought bubble comes from the left (his right) side.lool. Just realizing how that 'tame lightning' statement pretty much took me for a spin and made it look like it was something super great when its pretty much what we've seen done throughout the series with other elements. No doubt Kirin is deadly.. but that over the top hype is cleared from my eyes now xD
However, wasn't it white zetsu that was saying that stuff about Susanoo?
Bold lol
'Bad temper' isn't a living thing.
Bad example a small puddle of water and tobirama high level water jutsu are a pretty big difference. there was a whole shinobi alliance that used water jutsu against Madara as well with no water present. Author is just bending the rules as the manga goes this shouldn't be a surprise.Not really true
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water release hiding in water. But kakashi notes in the very next chapter that it hasn't rained for days.
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Not to mention that that excuse doesn't really hold up cuz hes a kage. Using high lvl water tech's without a water source is expected of him (as stated by orochimaru) he's easily added to the list alongside mei (another kage) and kisame(need i say more).Especially since he also did water dragon from his mouth, whereas kakashi needed a body of water. Couple with the fact that kakashi needed 44 hand seals where as tobirama only used 1.
bold is false.
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that jutsu he calls susanoo. . .
given who he is and who he knows he should know full well the risks that come along with susanoo. In Fact he knew more about the spirit items, and orochimaru's 8 headed snake than that of susanoo. So again his surprise means little to nothing.
As for the rest, we really don't know the chakra breakdown. I can easily assume kakashi using water vortex and water dragon with pre existing water has to be easier on his chakra reserves than for him to make the water himself. Especially given his low chakra amount at the beginning of the show, and we've never seen mei use preesisting water. Where as for kisame's large scale techs he usually makes the water himself.
all im saying is i don't see a difference.
Long story short, so 'bad temper' is a living thing/being? Bruh.Bad Temper is a emotion.Emotions are only produced if the vessel has feelings.In short,life is a must.
Never said that.Just a stone beside your street road cannot express it's bad temper.Which was my point.Long story short, so 'bad temper' is a living thing/being? Bruh.
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