Boruto's power makes perfect sense & Denial of the off screen is stupid!

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Some people say that it is a handout or an asspull or "fillerish" that Boruto pulls out all of these elemental techniques without training. However, I assert to you that this particular notion is false, and that Boruto does in fact train or educate himself in some way (even since before the Boruto movie).


For those of you who call Boruto's elements an "asspull", you are demonstrating a problem in your thinking that is common to this fanbase. That problem is: The denial of the off screen!

Despite anything that has been said before about Boruto, it is clear that Boruto has trained himself at least a bit. Here is some evidence:


1. In the Boruto movie and associated manga re-adaptation, Boruto stated to Naruto "I know fuuton, raiton, and most recently suiton". Naruto then responded with agitation "Konohamaru, what are you teaching him?", to which Boruto replies "Don't blame my teacher". The key words here are It clearly indicates that he knew fuuton and raiton before suiton.

For him to subsequently know suiton after having not known it before obviously means that some training/teaching/learning had to take place. Konohamaru may have taught him, someone else may have taught him, or Boruto may have learned it on his own. Either way, some form of natural earned progress was made.


2. In the manga, a few chapters ago, Naruto sparred with Boruto. In that fight, Boruto demonstrated new jutsus such as the mixture of suiton surging sea and raiton thunderclap arrow. After the match, Naruto stated that Boruto had gotten stronger.

Boruto getting stronger equates to some progress being made, but now does that equate to training? Well, let's see.

How do people get stronger in the NV? I can think of a few known ways:

1. Training/Learning/Being taught
2. Awakening/Advancing some KKG or other bloodline trait (such as the awakening of sharingan or MS)
3. Eating chakara fruit/pills
4. Becoming a jinchuuriki or advancing as a jinchuuriki
5. Being handed chakara or a seal
6. Stealing/Being given someone's eyes or DNA

That's about all I can think of for now (by the way, I am not referring to temporary powerups, only powerups that become apart of your regular power).

Now let's see if Boruto fits into numbers 2 through 6:

Does he have a KKG? Yes, but his eye hasn't really done anything yet. He can't even activate it at will yet. Therefore his eye is a non-factor for now.

Has he ever eaten a chakara fruit or chakara pills? No!

Is he a jinchuuriki? No!

Has he ever been handed chakara or a seal? Yes, he has been given a seal, but as of now that seal has done even less than the eye! In fact, the only time thus far that the seal has shown up, it actually hindered him and stopped him from using rasengan! Therefore, that seal is also a non-factor as of right now in regards to Boruto's strength.

Has he ever taken someone else's eyes or DNA? No!

How then, would Naruto be able to say that Boruto has gotten stronger? The only logical explanation is that Boruto trained at some point and learned/honed these techniques.


3. In the mist arc, we actually saw Boruto discussing wind style techniques with Mitsuki. Mitsuki actually taught Boruto either the gale palm or wind scythe (or some jutsu to that nature). Go back to the episode where they were on the boat that night. You'll see. Learning by being taught is a form of training.

4. It was shown in the second episode that Hinata made Boruto study the books rigorously to make up for his suspension from the academy. Though this isn't your traditional training, those books probably teach at least some of the basics, so this can be considered a kind of training.

5. Even in Gaiden, Boruto was shown playing/hiding from/ somewhat fighting with Naruto. Boruto's later dialogue implies that this happened often. That is most definitely something that can hone one's skills.


As you should be able to see, Boruto clearly trains at least from time to time. In fact, if he didn't then he wouldn't be able to be a shinobi.

Now you may be thinking, "what about those times like when Naruto said that Boruto doesn't have the extensive training needed to awaken the byakugan?". What about when Naruto said that Boruto's clothes always look brand new?

Well, to answer your question, those instances were just meant to imply that Boruto never really trained rigorously. He never struggled. Everything came easily to him. One can attest to this by looking at how fast he learned the rasengan (and subconsciously added nature transformation to it). This made him lack resolve and drive (like what Kakashi said).

This however, does not mean that Boruto never trained at all! He trained and learned stuff. It just wasn't too hard for him. It didn't take him years at a time to learn one jutsu.


In short, it can be seen that Boruto's power isn't an asspull or "fillerish" at all! It makes perfect sense. The real problem is you people's thought processes. With multiple facets of the manga/anime, you people assume that if we don't see it on screen, it never happened, so then any new development that we didn't see coming is an asspull.

This denial of the off screen is a stupid thought process to be honest. Do you people really think that these characters just sit down and do absolutely nothing whenever the main events of the series (that we see) are not going on? I know some of you are going to say that there technically is no off screen because these are fictional characters who don't exist, so when we don't see them then they do nothing. However, that is stupid logic to go by because of the fact that the lore of this series doesn't run on logic that goes beyond the fourth wall. In other words, the events that happen in the NV happen as a response to prior things that happened in the NV (and not just in response to what we the readers are particularly aware of). It doesn't matter whether or not we see it. Things (such as training) can still happen within the NV itself, even when we don't see it.

One more thing:

You can't even reasonably say that Boruto shouldn't be able to learn these techniques so easily, because none of Boruto's elemental jutsus are so complex or OP, and we have actually seen instances in the series where people have learned jutsu of this caliber in seconds.

During the war, Kitsuchi taught the whole shinobi alliance how to do a basic earth style wall in seconds over a telepathic link! This was when everyone was trying to block the juubi's bijuudama just before Minato arrived and warped it away.

Let's also not forget that Itachi learned fireball jutsu in seconds! Like Itachi, Boruto is also hailed as a prodigy, so it makes sense.

Plus, like I said before, Boruto's jutsus are not OP in the slightest! I challenge anyone to name even one of Boruto's elemental jutsus that can't be blocked by a basic earth style mud wall!

Thunderclap arrow/ lightning triple? - Can easily be blocked by a basic mud wall.
Surging Sea? - Easily blockable.
Boruto stream? - Boruto just face plants into the wall.

Do you see what I'm saying? Boruto may be versatile, but he is not OP.


His power makes perfect sense!

Discuss.
 

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facts only trolls or simply dry haters will deny, but i will have to say a simple mud wall won't stop all his attacks.
 
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You wrote all that just to try to cover up for the fact Boruto's seal literally got slapped onto him...wow. Btw, I didn't really read.
 
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Ever since the manga started Boruto alrdy knew 3 elements which i call bullshit and its just a another free powers ups for the MC but nvm that, seal is also another free power up just by throwing Rasengan, but he was able to hold all of that chakra well , so i guess thats justified
 

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Didn't read but i KINDA agree
 

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Well ofc they do.

Haters deny cuz his powers make them salty....:sigar:
 

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it is kind of weird

they either say he is a clone when he doesn't showcase his new moves

but when he does they saw it is a handout and ass pull even though we see him testing the moves prior to their combat debut...

idk what is going to happened when is genes start to fully kick in and he brings out the KKGs cards
 

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Or you know like Rasengan he learned/used those elements subconsciously.
 

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The problem isn’t that he has them, it’s that he had them since day one. Barely a Genin and has 3 elements, a doujutsu of unique origin, and an Otsutsuki Seal to boot.

I get he is suppose to surpass the old gen (his dad) but he has a number of “fail safes” to keep him from loosing. It’s fine though. It’s not the power I have a problem with. Just his character. I know they are suppose to be flaws so I expect him to learn from them down the road.
 

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You wrote all that just to try to cover up for the fact Boruto's seal literally got slapped onto him...wow. Btw, I didn't really read.

I can see that you didn't really read it because your post is totally irrelevant to the point of this thread. This thread is not about the seal since the seal has been a non-factor in influencing Boruto's current power. I am talking about the elemental ninjutsu.

Ever since the manga started Boruto alrdy knew 3 elements which i call bullshit and its just a another free powers ups for the MC but nvm that, seal is also another free power up just by throwing Rasengan, but he was able to hold all of that chakra well , so i guess thats justified

How are the elements BS? They aren't even advanced jutsus and they aren't that hard or complex. The whole shinobi alliance was taught an earth style wall in seconds and Itachi also learned fireball jutsu in seconds. They are not advanced techniques. Plus, any fodder with a doton mud wall could block pretty much all of Boruto's elemental attacks with ease. You speak as if Boruto has some mangekyou level type stuff, which he does not (at least not until the seal and jougan come into play). Name one of Boruto's elemental jutsus that can't be blocked by a simple mud wall.

Also, I don't know why alot of people are hating on the seal so much. Naruto and Sasuke got so many handouts back in the day. Naruto got Kurama at birth for crying out loud. Sasuke got a cursed seal from Orochimaru. That was just in part 1 mind you. That doesn't even get into Itachi's eyes, Hagoromo's chakara, etc...

Besides, the seal hasn't even helped Boruto as of yet. The only time it surfaced, it hindered him!

Or you know like Rasengan he learned/used those elements subconsciously.

That's not possible. Unlike with the vanishing rasengan, Boruto actively intentionally uses his elemental ninjutsu, whereas with the vanishing rasengan, he doesn't actively/intentionally add the change in chakara nature (he doesn't even know how he made that happen). The fact that Boruto actually knows how to intentionally use his elemental ninjutsu means that it was something that he gained over time.

Do you see the difference here?

For reference:

First time we see Boruto use rasengan: He thinks he failed and runs off angrily, not staying to witness the damage to the tree.
First time we see him use Boruto stream: He charges in confidently, clearly knowing what he is doing.

Surely, you can see the difference.
 

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Uncounciously adding wind to his ransengan how exactly is this traits of a genius? It would make more sense if he was able to figure it out on his own but he just does it because he's the main character. It's like he's not actually a genius it's more like the plot is trying to contrive that he's a genius
 
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How are the elements BS? They aren't even advanced jutsus and they aren't that hard or complex. The whole shinobi alliance was taught an earth style wall in seconds and Itachi also learned fireball jutsu in seconds. They are not advanced techniques. Plus, any fodder with a doton mud wall could block pretty much all of Boruto's elemental attacks with ease. You speak as if Boruto has some mangekyou level type stuff, which he does not (at least not until the seal and jougan come into play). Name one of Boruto's elemental jutsus that can't be blocked by a simple mud wall.

Also, I don't know why alot of people are hating on the seal so much. Naruto and Sasuke got so many handouts back in the day. Naruto got Kurama at birth for crying out loud. Sasuke got a cursed seal from Orochimaru. That was just in part 1 mind you. That doesn't even get into Itachi's eyes, Hagoromo's chakara, etc...

Wait a min.... I didnt say anything about the jutsu and stuff. All i did said is that ever since the chapter 1 - the beginning of the manga Boruto alrdy had 3 type of elements. Its clear as a day its been freely given to him just because of the MC and nothing more. If he is some kind of prodigy he should be a lot better then he actually is.

Comparing him to likes of Kakashi,Minato,Sasuke,Itachi. etc
 
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Uncounciously adding wind to his ransengan how exactly is this traits of a genius? It would make more sense if he was able to figure it out on his own but he just does it because he's the main character. It's like he's not actually a genius it's more like the plot is trying to contrive that he's a genius

Him adding wind to Rasengan is probably because of the Hyuga bloodline / gentle fist - i wont argue about this, but how long did Naruto take to learn the Rasengan? 1 week. And How much did Boruto took time to learn Rasengan? 1 week?
 

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Wait a min.... I didnt say anything about the jutsu and stuff. All i did said is that ever since the chapter 1 - the beginning of the manga Boruto alrdy had 3 type of elements. Its clear as a day its been freely given to him just because of the MC and nothing more. If he is some kind of prodigy he should be a lot better then he actually is.

Comparing him to likes of Kakashi,Minato,Sasuke,Itachi. etc

Alot better than he actually is huh? I can see where you're coming from, but at the same time I have to disagree. I don't really think it should be based on how he compares to the people you listed because not all geniuses or prodigies are of the same caliber despite having the status.

Neji for instance, was called a genius, but he was nowhere near Itachi. Orochimaru was called a genius, but even he admitted that his genius quality in his youth was nothing​ compared to Sasuke's.

That's why I think it is invalid to dismiss Boruto's prodigy status based on the likes of Sasuke, Kakashi, Minato, etc... Not to mention that of all the known geniuses in the series, Boruto has been the laziest and he grew up in the most peaceful time out of all of these geniuses (where as the likes of Kakashi and Itachi grew up in times of war). That certainly would affect how Boruto stacks up against the other geniuses.

Also, even though I said all of this, I would argue that Boruto has a better track record than some of these geniuses.

Boruto has beaten Shojoji, and Ao at this point with impressive displays. I'm not saying that they were solo victories, but it can't be denied that Boruto was the main part of these victories.

Meanwhile, look at part 1 Sasuke.
He couldn't get the bell from Kakashi
He couldn't beat Haku
He couldn't beat Gaara
He got fodderize by Itachi
He was about even with Hospital rooftop Naruto.
He just barely beat Naruto at VOTE 1.

Also, what super genius feats have we actually seen from Minato?

Do you see what I mean?
 

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I agree. It's totally ridiculous that people keep putting down Boruto and his abilities. He's the son of two strong shinobi first of all (Hinata may not be the strongest, but she really isn't the weakest and Naruto is obviously... well Naruto nuff said). He has skilled directly related family members such as Hiashi, Hanabi, Neji, Minato, Kushina... three of which have been acclaimed as genius or highly skilled at a young age. THIS ALONE is enough basis for him to be fairly powerful. Yet people throw out his blood relatives and say he shouldn't be strong (in the NV blood ties seem to play a role).

Then of course there are the ones who throw out off screen events. Of course he trains! He's a shinobi. Yes he's lazy, but that doesn't mean he doesn't train. He knows the only way to impress/surpass his father/start his own path is to become stronger and carve his own name out in life. There's no way he doesn't train and try to gain new abilities even off screen. That's just so ignorant to assume he doesn't just because it's not shown.
 

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Boruto's abilities are still asspulls with or without offscreen training. Besides, your entire argument is irrelevant to the fact that Boruto could 1. add wind release to rasengan, 2. throw it, and 3. make it invisible. All before any real amount of training. Naruto spent 3+ years worth of shadow clones just on step 1. Boruto's hardly any different than Frieza.
 

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The way his seals coming into play including his vanishing rasengan is pretty much bullsh!t.

None of that makes sense. There is always an explanation for why things are the way it is yet looking at his self which doesnt know how the literal hell he mastered said Rasengan comes off across as shallow and asspull-ish in department and field.
 

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He will probably learn katon and doton thoo.. as well ying-yang since he is the pinnacle of shinobi.
 

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Boruto's abilities are still asspulls with or without offscreen training. Besides, your entire argument is irrelevant to the fact that Boruto could 1. add wind release to rasengan, 2. throw it, and 3. make it invisible. All before any real amount of training. Naruto spent 3+ years worth of shadow clones just on step 1. Boruto's hardly any different than Frieza.

How are they asspulls with training? Training goes against the whole connotative definition of asspull.

What does Naruto's rate of progress have to do with anything? Boruto has already been established to be more talented than Naruto was, so it's fine that he progressed in things like the rasengan a lot faster than Naruto.

Why is everyone whining about vanishing rasengan? It's obvious as to how he added wind release to it. Clearly, as he was making the rasengan, he just didn't really pay attention to the fact that he was releasing some nature chakara too.

Besides, you guys act like vanishing rasengan is oh so omnipotent. It is convenient yes, but it is blockable and dodge-able.

Lol, did you really just compare Boruto to Frieza?! I find it funny how hypocritical some of you people are. Sometimes you guys call him a clone or a fodder, but then whenever it is convenient for you or whenever you just don't want him to succeed then suddenly he is just so OP. Lol, that is funny.


The way his seals coming into play including his vanishing rasengan is pretty much bullsh!t.

None of that makes sense. There is always an explanation for why things are the way it is yet looking at his self which doesnt know how the literal hell he mastered said Rasengan comes off across as shallow and asspull-ish in department and field.

The seal hasn't done jack thus far, so people should stop whining about it. Did you whine so much when Sasuke got the cursed seal? As for the rest of your post, just look at my reply to the quote above yours.
 

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How are they asspulls with training? Training goes against the whole connotative definition of asspull.

What does Naruto's rate of progress have to do with anything? Boruto has already been established to be more talented than Naruto was, so it's fine that he progressed in things like the rasengan a lot faster than Naruto.

Why is everyone whining about vanishing rasengan? It's obvious as to how he added wind release to it. Clearly, as he was making the rasengan, he just didn't really pay attention to the fact that he was releasing some nature chakara too.

Besides, you guys act like vanishing rasengan is oh so omnipotent. It is convenient yes, but it is blockable and dodge-able.

Lol, did you really just compare Boruto to Frieza?! I find it funny how hypocritical some of you people are. Sometimes you guys call him a clone or a fodder, but then whenever it is convenient for you or whenever you just don't want him to succeed then suddenly he is just so OP. Lol, that is funny.
Because Minato couldn't do this nor Jirayai. One is a Sannin and the other was said to be the kind of genius that only appears once in a decade by the Sannin himself. There's no justifying this one Chaos. It's not about how strong the attack is, no one cares about that. We don't think he's too strong if we constantly state Sarada > Boruto. It's the application.
 
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