Boruto's power makes perfect sense & Denial of the off screen is stupid!

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Because we got to see the chunnin exams before his actually developement, I can honestly say that they don't. Even in the movie I was confused as to why he had to cheat. Boruto have the ability to use the powers, but he just lacks the skill.
 

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Because Minato couldn't do this nor Jirayai. One is a Sannin and the other was said to be the kind of genius that only appears once in a decade by the Sannin himself. There's no justifying this one Chaos. It's not about how strong the attack is, no one cares about that. We don't think he's too strong if we constantly state Sarada > Boruto. It's the application.

To be fair, despite what was said about him being a "once in a decade" genius, Minato was either pretty bad or he just didn't have a lot of free time on his hands to hone his skills.

Think about this:

It took Minato 3 years to create the rasengan.
It took Naruto a week to learn it.
It took Konohamaru about a week or so to learn it.
It took Boruto about a week or so.

See the difference? Now it could be argued that Minato didn't just learn rasengan, he invented it. After all, it is easier to learn how to use something that has already been invented than it is to invent something. If you make that argument, that is fair enough.

Nevertheless, Minato was either hokage or a highly respected jonin when he invented the rasengan, so he was probably always busy and didn't really have time to train to complete the rasengan. Jiraiya was probably always busy either on his missions or his pervy adventures, or training others such as Minato/Amegakure Orphans. These two probably didn't have the time to complete the rasengan. They probably could have done it with more time.

Finally, it is possible that Boruto is just more talented than Minato or Jiraiya.

Either way, I don't really believe in basing what one person should be able to do based on the limits of others. In other words, when it comes to Boruto's progression, nobody else's progression is relevant to me when I am discussing Boruto's progression.
 

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Vanishing rasengan is an asspull now?
 

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A few things from reading the comments and the overall thread. I don't just don't quiet understand the argument at all.

Firstly, Boruto started off with shadow clones, and after the time skip, he learned Wind and Lightning release. Around that time he was one week away from becoming a Genin.

On the offhand, Mitsuki when he entered the Academy already had Wind and Lightning releases, Sumire could already use Water Release, and Iwabe could use Earth. There was also minor "Ghost-induced' Academy students (and those who had been expelled) who were using elemental natures, more notably Mitsuki's introduction episode where he beat a Katon user before he and Boruto first met (face to face).

Elemental Natures in the Next Generation are taken not as seriously as they used to. Even now, the standard seems to be that everyone has at least two elemental natures. Sarada having Lightning/Fire, Mitsuki still having the same natures when he was a kid, and then Boruto later learning his 3rd one before the film. There's also the fact that untalented or non-prodigal characters like Cho-Cho who were stated to have Lightning Release from the Data-Book, along with a few others.

There isn't really much thought about it. Boruto's forte is ninjutsu, and if he's considered to be a Genius, then he'll be different than those around him - Who already have 2.


I don't really see the problem. It's not like he throws out a new piece of ninjutsu every other fight, even now I'm kinda disappointed they capped him into using only Rasengan and Shadow Clones, despite obviously being more versatile.

On that note I don't really see anything wrong with Boruto's Rasengan either, he learned it in a week, and it was pitiful. Barely could dent a tree. He somehow managed to apply wind chakra to it, but he was doing it without being taught. He just did it naturally, which showcases how much talent he has - And that Ninjutsu is his "thing".

It's not that much different than the Gaiden showing that Sarada already had mastered Shippuden-Sakura level of CES despite not even being hinted at training once in her Academy days. These kids are just way more talented and have resources that make them superior.

As long as there's a certain amount of training and flaws then it should be okay - But there shouldn't be a character who just gets away with asspull to asspull without any kind of flaw. Like not being the strongest/losing fights, having limitations, and then personality/character weaknesses.

Considering Boruto got his first major win against Ao after the Manga's 2 year run, and the Anime's first year run. I'd say they are doing a good job at capitalizing his strengths and weaknesses, because it would of been hella easy to just make Boruto the next "Itachi" and for him to never lose.

Just look at Mitsuki who came into the Academy with 2 elements, has Sage Mode, beat Shino, barely lost any fights (can't count any L aside from Kakashi jabbing him in the gut), and the fact that he's clearly the most level headed/smartest of the group.

Just my 2cents.
 

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On that note I don't really see anything wrong with Boruto's Rasengan either, he learned it in a week, and it was pitiful. Barely could dent a tree. He somehow managed to apply wind chakra to it, but he was doing it without being taught. He just did it naturally, which showcases how much talent he has - And that Ninjutsu is his "thing".
Kakashi has proven that adding elements to jutsu isn't all that hard for everything as it is with Rasengan, and students just having multiple elements doesn't mean half of them are able to incorporate them into difficult jutsus. Boruto would have been ahead of his peers in regards to both ninjustu and elements even without the Vanishing Rasen, so it really didn't make sense to drive it further and have him throw wind release into Rasengan, throw it, and make it vanish.
Comparing Boruto's skill as a genin to someone who came packaged with SM and combat ability by the default also isn't a good way to rationalize this either. It doesn't prove Boruto's not all that different from his peers; All it does is highlight that Boruto isn't far off from Orochimaru's ultimate creation after no more than half a year's worth of training in his idle life.

To put this in perspective. Characters like Minato and Sasuke themselves were hailed as prodigies among prodigies and are shown to have trained since there were very young till the moment they were entering the Chuunin Exams, yet it took Sasuke several days to learn Kakashi's easy way out for nature transformation, and Minato didn't finish step 1.
 
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Alot better than he actually is huh? I can see where you're coming from, but at the same time I have to disagree. I don't really think it should be based on how he compares to the people you listed because not all geniuses or prodigies are of the same caliber despite having the status.

Neji for instance, was called a genius, but he was nowhere near Itachi. Orochimaru was called a genius, but even he admitted that his genius quality in his youth was nothing​ compared to Sasuke's.

That's why I think it is invalid to dismiss Boruto's prodigy status based on the likes of Sasuke, Kakashi, Minato, etc... Not to mention that of all the known geniuses in the series, Boruto has been the laziest and he grew up in the most peaceful time out of all of these geniuses (where as the likes of Kakashi and Itachi grew up in times of war). That certainly would affect how Boruto stacks up against the other geniuses.

Also, even though I said all of this, I would argue that Boruto has a better track record than some of these geniuses.

Boruto has beaten Shojoji, and Ao at this point with impressive displays. I'm not saying that they were solo victories, but it can't be denied that Boruto was the main part of these victories.

Meanwhile, look at part 1 Sasuke.
He couldn't get the bell from Kakashi
He couldn't beat Haku
He couldn't beat Gaara
He got fodderize by Itachi
He was about even with Hospital rooftop Naruto.
He just barely beat Naruto at VOTE 1.

Also, what super genius feats have we actually seen from Minato?

Do you see what I mean?

At first i wanted to like your comment but while continue to read it there were so much wrong to it. I also forgot to mention Neji in my first post where even Neji would beat Boruto low diff- he was still a match for Kyuubi (Rage) Naruto on the exams.

Boruto beating Shojoji is not a big deal. and even AO

Part 1 Sasuke what? Losing to Haku ? Sasuke was beating Haku all over the place until Ice Mirror technique
Sasuke alone did much better then 30 kids against Kakashi
He destroyed Gaara on the exams what are you talking about? While at this - Exams Sasuke and Boruto now are the same age and Sasuke would not only kill Boruto but its not even funny. Boruto doesnt even have speed or anything other then Rasengan so tell me how is Boruto going to win?
Itachi.... Itachi was 20 years older then Sasuke had MS and one of the best prodigious Ninjas in the series.
Roof top fight - Sasuke was in coma for a month
Sasuke was doing fine against Naruto who was fighting with Kyuubi mode - while Sasuke was in base and just used Curse Seal when Chidori vs Rasengan clash happened.

Do you see what i mean?
 

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A few things from reading the comments and the overall thread. I don't just don't quiet understand the argument at all.

Firstly, Boruto started off with shadow clones, and after the time skip, he learned Wind and Lightning release. Around that time he was one week away from becoming a Genin.

On the offhand, Mitsuki when he entered the Academy already had Wind and Lightning releases, Sumire could already use Water Release, and Iwabe could use Earth. There was also minor "Ghost-induced' Academy students (and those who had been expelled) who were using elemental natures, more notably Mitsuki's introduction episode where he beat a Katon user before he and Boruto first met (face to face).

Elemental Natures in the Next Generation are taken not as seriously as they used to. Even now, the standard seems to be that everyone has at least two elemental natures. Sarada having Lightning/Fire, Mitsuki still having the same natures when he was a kid, and then Boruto later learning his 3rd one before the film. There's also the fact that untalented or non-prodigal characters like Cho-Cho who were stated to have Lightning Release from the Data-Book, along with a few others.

There isn't really much thought about it. Boruto's forte is ninjutsu, and if he's considered to be a Genius, then he'll be different than those around him - Who already have 2.


I don't really see the problem. It's not like he throws out a new piece of ninjutsu every other fight, even now I'm kinda disappointed they capped him into using only Rasengan and Shadow Clones, despite obviously being more versatile.

On that note I don't really see anything wrong with Boruto's Rasengan either, he learned it in a week, and it was pitiful. Barely could dent a tree. He somehow managed to apply wind chakra to it, but he was doing it without being taught. He just did it naturally, which showcases how much talent he has - And that Ninjutsu is his "thing".

It's not that much different than the Gaiden showing that Sarada already had mastered Shippuden-Sakura level of CES despite not even being hinted at training once in her Academy days. These kids are just way more talented and have resources that make them superior.

As long as there's a certain amount of training and flaws then it should be okay - But there shouldn't be a character who just gets away with asspull to asspull without any kind of flaw. Like not being the strongest/losing fights, having limitations, and then personality/character weaknesses.

Considering Boruto got his first major win against Ao after the Manga's 2 year run, and the Anime's first year run. I'd say they are doing a good job at capitalizing his strengths and weaknesses, because it would of been hella easy to just make Boruto the next "Itachi" and for him to never lose.

Just look at Mitsuki who came into the Academy with 2 elements, has Sage Mode, beat Shino, barely lost any fights (can't count any L aside from Kakashi jabbing him in the gut), and the fact that he's clearly the most level headed/smartest of the group.

Just my 2cents.

yeah I agree Boruto is definitely a genius in ninjutsu for learning that many natures. Hes already ready to take most of his abilities to the next step much like Sasuke.
 

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Perfect explanation. I always said this. Also, you should show that Boruto uses external elements for his jutsus. I think that only water no. Is not like he transform his chakra to a nature.
 

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Even Kakashi at 6 years already knew some natures
 
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