Madara and Co. Vs. Kaguya

[Animegoin]

There are two Scenarios:

1. Madara and Hamura VS Kaguya
   
2. Madara and Hagoromo vs Kaguya

Rules and Abilities:
-Madara has dual Rinnegan and is utilizing all of Hashirama’s Senjutsu.
-Hagoromo is in youth, prior to becoming the Juubi Jinchuriki.
-Hamura is in his youth, prior to awakening the Tenseigan.
-Kaguya is at full power minus the chakra that’s inside of her children and inside of Madara Uchiha.
-No Black Zetsu assistance for Kaguya

For these two seperate scenarios, answer the following:
-Who do you all think would perform better individually?
-Which team do you assume would perform better cooperatively?
-What team has a better chance of success? And explain why.

 

[Uverdore9]

Madara and Hamura'd do well. They have different unique abilities. Whereas Hagoromo shares Madara's.

Hagoromo + Madara has better chances of success.

Individually, Hamura.


Hamura has the perfect counters to Kaguya's arsenal.

 

[Edogawa]

Any of them can individually stomp her. Naruto was singlehandedly punch-bagging her around, and he's light years weaker than the 3 individually.

 

[Animegoin]

Any of them can individually stomp her. Naruto was singlehandedly punch-bagging her around, and he's light years weaker than the 3 individually.

In these two scenarios, this is the original Kaguya; the 100% full powered Juubi + all of the world’s chakra Kaguya. Except she doesn’t have the chakra Hagoromo, Madara and Hamura have inherited anyway. She’s entirely different than the one RSM Naruto battled.

 

[Ghost Of The Uchiha]

Madara would perform the best individually, strongest offense (nunoboko and quad juubidama) best defence (perfect susanoo shinra tensei and limbo swap),he approached hago's power pre shinju and second eye and the 4th DB says he can unleash the true power of the six paths with both eyes thus implying he's atleast equal to non jin hago.
All of those teams defeat her if given the seals since she lost to naruto and sasuke whom madara would extreme diff together

 

[KidGamer65]

If no one here is the Juubi's Jin then Kaguya shits on them.

 

[Animegoin]

If no one here is the Juubi's Jin then Kaguya shits on them.

Hagoromo And Hamura weren’t jinchuriki when they battled Kaguya, and yet they prevailed. The groups here should at least stand a chance, no? Especially since both Hago and Hamura can give the seal to Madara.

 

[KidGamer65]

Hagoromo And Hamura weren’t jinchuriki when they battled Kaguya, and yet they prevailed. The groups here should at least stand a chance, no? Especially since both Hago and Hamura can give the seal to Madara.

She was the Juubi, not herself. So that doesn't really apply. Not to mention Hagoromo or Hamura is far above this version of Madara individually.

 

[Animegoin]

She was the Juubi, not herself. So that doesn't really apply. Not to mention Hagoromo or Hamura is far above this version of Madara individually.

But let’s be honest, Kaguya isn’t the smartest fighter anyway. Black Zetsu did most of her strategizing against Naruto, Sasuke and the other 3. Now despite Hamura and Hagoromo being more powerful than Madara, Madara’s Rinnegan is key to helping Hamura seal Kaguya. Plus Madara can access to all 7 Paths of the Rinnegan and he is utilizing all of Hashirama’s Senjutsu in these scenarios. It’s not Six Paths Senjutsu but it’s certainly beneficial.

 

[Edogawa]

In these two scenarios, this is the original Kaguya; the 100% full powered Juubi + all of the world’s chakra Kaguya. Except she doesn’t have the chakra Hagoromo, Madara and Hamura have inherited anyway. She’s entirely different than the one RSM Naruto battled.

No such thing called original Kaguya.

 

[Animegoin]

No such thing called original Kaguya.

Yes there is; The original Kaguya had all the chakra in the world save for the chakra inside of her kids. The version Naruto and company fought was a downgraded version, that’s evident by Naruto also having all of the tailed beasts chakra and everyone around the world didn’t die from having their chakra drained.

 

[KidGamer65]

But let’s be honest, Kaguya isn’t the smartest fighter anyway. Black Zetsu did most of her strategizing against Naruto, Sasuke and the other 3. Now despite Hamura and Hagoromo being more powerful than Madara, Madara’s Rinnegan is key to helping Hamura seal Kaguya. Plus Madara can access to all 7 Paths of the Rinnegan and he is utilizing all of Hashirama’s Senjutsu in these scenarios. It’s not Six Paths Senjutsu but it’s certainly beneficial.

Intelligence literally has nothing to do with anything here. She wins because she is far stronger than them and there is no strategy they can think of that'll bridge that gap.

Madara's Rinnegan is not key in helping Hamura seal Kaguya. The seals are literally the only thing that matter when it comes to sealing her first of all. Second of all he's nowhere near their level in raw power. It's really that simple.

 

[Animegoin]

Intelligence literally has nothing to do with anything here. She wins because she is far stronger than them and there is no strategy they can think of that'll bridge that gap.

Madara's Rinnegan is not key in helping Hamura seal Kaguya. The seals are literally the only thing that matter when it comes to sealing her first of all. Second of all he's nowhere near their level in raw power. It's really that simple.

Kaguya could’ve done literally anything to Naruto’s team to wipe out them out entirely but she didn’t because she was focused on Naruto and Sasuke per Black Zetsu’s orders. She literally only lost the battle because she wasn’t smart enough to kill the fodder lying around so intelligence does have its role here. Kakashi literally formulated a plan to finish her off while the Expansive TSB was still expanding, Madara is a strategic genius, Hamura and Hagoromo also came up with a plan to seal her despite being FAR less powerful and they also won.

Madara’s Rinnegan is functionally like that of Hagoromo’s. Even if you have the Sun and Moon seals, someone there has to have the Rinnegan (as demonstrated in both cases) for the seal to work properly. I’ll provide more evidence if asked; Now Madara is undoubtably weaker than the two but he isn’t useless. The Rinnegan grants abilities to challenge Kaguya which is probably why none were used against Kaguya (aside from Ameno). Madara has also displayed the ability to control the Juubi so if Kaguya transforms into the tree form, he could utilize that. But if either Hago or Hamura give him the seal, I believe that he could definitely make due.