Genius vs Genius

[KidGamer65]

Minato's Sage Mode is trash and clones/Rasengan just make him a slightly weaker (or maybe stronger) Base Naruto. Itachi wins.

 

[Animegoin]

Bro, it's better if you ignore the guy who said jiraiya can beat itachi when same guy was getting beaten black and blue by 3 paths of pain in his best condition: in sage mode.



The trolls in site: some of them: are ridiculously ridiculous.

Lmfao I literally destroy you every time you breathe, silence now.

 

[Uverdore9]

Itachi's 3T genjutsu would be a piece of cake for Minato to break out of and with SM and Maa and Paa around Minato basically one shots Itachi with sound genjutsu.

FTG alone didn't contribute to Minato's speed. His shunshin too was very fast combined with his superior reflex which saw through Ay fastest attack and reacted in an instant. Fact is his FTG combined with his superior shunshin is what allowed him to take down platoon of ninjas in an instant. Even the likes of Tobirama acknowledged Minato's shunshin speed.

I simply don't see a scenario where Itachi could even touch Minato in his perfect SM mode. Itachi simply has no chance to win this.

Itachi genjutsu basically can control the alliance from a top stragist like shikaku's viewpoint.


Minato got that title solely on ftg, he couldnt avoid raikage without ftg and his reaction speed in base is equal to A as per Cee's words. Lightning enhanced A is faster in reaction, V2 even faster.


Minato with that level of reaction wont avoid itachi in cqc.

Itachi easily manhandled hebi sasuke in cqc which former was hyped as God-like speed which matches armoured A in combat as per DATAbook.


Sage mode enhanced minato still would be near Naruto level as there are no feats suggesting he's above.


Kirin is light speed, as suggested by DB, itachi one eye blind mentally reacted to it and put sisanoo up all the while coughing up blood.


Itachis genjutsu specialty is it cannot be seen through, or ao who saw through ka wouldve seen through it.


Minato basically has to break out of ka to prove he can contest itachi's.


Itachi easily blitzes, bro.


Sound genjutsu countered by genjutsu reflection and keeping distance.

 

[Uverdore9]

Minato's Sage Mode is trash and clones/Rasengan just make him a slightly weaker (or maybe stronger) Base Naruto. Itachi wins.

Homie you're back?

 

[Uverdore9]

Lmfao I literally destroy you every time you breathe, silence now.

Your trolling which is obvious as you did in madara thread.

Minato stated he cant use sage mode that well, by default putting naruto over him.

 

[Animegoin]

You must be registered for see images

Are you giving Naruto's feats to Minato? His SM and his skill with it is substandard and neither does he excel at it.



I agree I think I will unless he furnishes proofs for the featless sage.

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

Minato with his "superior reflexes"couldnt even tag/hit BZ.

Minato wasn’t in sage mode in that last panel lmao therefore, he wasn’t utilizing his “superior reflexes,” nice try though. And if you’re going to use that excerpt about his Sage mode, post the whole thing:

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

As he further explains, he was explaining his uselessness it that current predicament. And you can see that he states that he hasn’t used it “much in real combat either.” The entire point of me saying this is that the only time Minato used Sage Mode in the series at all is when he was handicapped and was using FTG:

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

So we don’t know what he can/can’t do BUT we do know that he mastered KCM practically within an instant. He died almost immediately after sealing Kurama within himself so unless he mastered it before he died (which is more extraordinary), he mastered it on his way to the battlefield. So writing him off in sage mode is retarded.

 

[Animegoin]

Your trolling which is obvious as you did in madara thread.

Minato stated he cant use sage mode that well, by default putting naruto over him.

You’re* a great number of things, as I’ve proven you to be in that Madara thread and literally every other thread we’ve debated in.

 

[Uverdore9]

You’re* a great number of things, as I’ve proven you to be in that Madara thread and literally every other thread we’ve debated in.

You didnt prove me wrong in madara thread. All you did was use hyperbole excuses when manga + DB back the hype.

By your logic kamui cant teleport water right?
It has never been shown doing it.

That's how ridiculous that thread was which has to be expected from the amount of madara fans in base( not directed towards the good ones like Salamander and Rikudou).

This is more of fricking popularity contest now where facts and feats are ignored and madara wins because hes madara.

Should've joined back in 2012. Keep saying this to myself because it's ridiculously boring now.


Any way saying it again. You didnt debunk anything.

Here you are yet again stating minato is good at senjutsu when latter accepts he's bad at it.


He's weaker than naruto at it at least, since Naruto surpassed jiraiya and we dont know where minato levels up in between.

Minato current feats + a bit more exposure dont give him the victory at someone as dominant as Itachi.

3t genjutsu is enough to solo.

 

[Animegoin]

You didnt prove me wrong in madara thread. All you did was use hyperbole excuses when manga + DB back the hype.

By your logic kamui cant teleport water right?
It has never been shown doing it.

That's how ridiculous that thread was which has to be expected from the amount of madara fans in base( not directed towards the good ones like Salamander and Rikudou).

This is more of fricking popularity contest now where facts and feats are ignored and madara wins because hes madara.

Should've joined back in 2012. Keep saying this to myself because it's ridiculously boring now.


Any way saying it again. You didnt debunk anything.

Here you are yet again stating minato is good at senjutsu when latter accepts he's bad at it.


He's weaker than naruto at it at least, since Naruto surpassed jiraiya and we dont know where minato levels up in between.

Minato current feats + a bit more exposure dont give him the victory at someone as dominant as Itachi.

3t genjutsu is enough to solo.

Lmfao bro, you’re literally a dumbass. And also why do you space your responses like this? Is it to bury and dissuade others from diving into your bullshit? Keep it condensed and at least try to act as if you have common sense.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Minato wasn’t in sage mode in that last panel lmao therefore, he wasn’t utilizing his “superior reflexes,” nice try though.

The first thing is the BZ reflex issue is in response to the shunshin and his natural speed/reflexes. Some claim they're the fastest yet he couldnt tag BZ from point blank range so I was dismissing that fanfic.

And if you’re going to use that excerpt about his Sage mode, post the whole thing:

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

As he further explains, he was explaining his uselessness it that current predicament. And you can see that he states that he hasn’t used it “much in real combat either.”

Wtf where did you study yoyr comprehension, he doesnt make reference to the current situation in his intial statement. First he dismisses his own skills with SM then he continues on top of that he hasn't used it much in combat either. And if that wasn't enough then he explains further why he's even more useless.

The entire point of me saying this is that the only time Minato used Sage Mode in the series at all is when he was handicapped and was using FTG:

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

So we don’t know what he can/can’t do BUT we do know that he mastered KCM practically within an instant. He died almost immediately after sealing Kurama within himself so unless he mastered it before he died (which is more extraordinary), he mastered it on his way to the battlefield. So writing him off in sage mode is retarded.

He's admitted his inferiority with it and inability to make effective use of it. Secondly he had it before he died because Kakashi's statement confirms he was aware of it only that Minato didn't specialise in it. And Minato gave his reason it takes him too long to build up chakra and then can't maintain it long. In other words he's useless with it and the only reason he even tried to use it was because only sage energy techs can damage Jins. Minato wanted to try and buy Kakashi as much time as he could. Anyway it's written off by Minato as being trash not me and ignoring that is retarded.

 

[Uverdore9]

Lmfao bro, you’re literally a dumbass. And also why do you space your responses like this? Is it to bury and dissuade others from diving into your bullshit? Keep it condensed and at least try to act as if you have common sense.

At least read the manga for once instead of saying stuff like Yata = hyperbole kay?

You're not even addressing the argument even.

Keep thinking minato wins though facts disagree.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Itachi genjutsu basically can control the alliance from a top stragist like shikaku's viewpoint.


Minato got that title solely on ftg, he couldnt avoid raikage without ftg and his reaction speed in base is equal to A as per Cee's words. Lightning enhanced A is faster in reaction, V2 even faster.


Minato with that level of reaction wont avoid itachi in cqc.

Itachi easily manhandled hebi sasuke in cqc which former was hyped as God-like speed which matches armoured A in combat as per DATAbook.


Sage mode enhanced minato still would be near Naruto level as there are no feats suggesting he's above.


Kirin is light speed, as suggested by DB, itachi one eye blind mentally reacted to it and put sisanoo up all the while coughing up blood.


Itachis genjutsu specialty is it cannot be seen through, or ao who saw through ka wouldve seen through it.


Minato basically has to break out of ka to prove he can contest itachi's.


Itachi easily blitzes, bro.


Sound genjutsu countered by genjutsu reflection and keeping distance.

Again Itachi's genjutsu might work on others but it sure won't against fusion SM Minato.

As per Cee, Minato's base reflexes are faster or on par with fully powered Ay so read the manga again lol.

Minato was able to react and intercept JJ Madara's TSBs while 8 Gates Gai who was moving to near light speed and approaching Madara. That trounces any speed or reaction feats Itachi has so even base Minato would tackle Itachi easily.

Hebi Sasuke was getting slapped around by Ay so he's that's a fail comparison.

Lol even near Naruto level easily beats 3T Itachi.

Itachi reacting to Kirin simply fails hard compared to Minato reacting to Might Gai's speed.

By the time Itachi preps KA he'd be blitzed and killed before he could cast it so its basically useless.

There's simply no way 3T Itachi stands a chance against Minato even without FTG. Minato's arsenal is far superior than Itachi.

 

[Mellanoma]

lol People using Jiraiya and Naruto feats to back Minato lol...

 

[Animegoin]

The first thing is the BZ reflex issue is in response to the shunshin and his natural speed/reflexes. Some claim they're the fastest yet he couldnt tag BZ from point blank range so I was dismissing that fanfic.

I never made that argument so save the bullshit attempted backpeddle lmao. I’ll even allow you to quote me where I did.

Wtf where did you study yoyr comprehension, he doesnt make reference to the current situation in his intial statement. First he dismisses his own skills with SM then he continues on top of that he hasn't used it much in combat either. And if that wasn't enough then he explains further why he's even more useless.

Wtf did you study your* English and comprehension? You clearly don’t know meaning of the words “as he further explains,” when used in that order. Let’s take a look at the page before that one, shall we:

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

Like I’d stated, he was describing his uselessness in this situation. And we still see Minato go into sage mode instantly and utilize a Senjutsu Rasengan. When was he gathering nature chakra?

He's admitted his inferiority with it and inability to make effective use of it. Secondly he had it before he died because Kakashi's statement confirms he was aware of it only that Minato didn't specialise in it. And Minato gave his reason it takes him too long to build up chakra and then can't maintain it long. In other words he's useless with it and the only reason he even tries to use it was because only sage energy techs can damage Jins and he wanted to try and buy Kakashi as much time as he could. Anyway it's written off by Minato as being trash not me and ignoring that is retarded.

Lmfao again, where did you learn to hone your comprehension skill? @Bold: No shit he had Sage mode before he died, I was talking about Kurama’s Chakra Mode.
I don’t know, maybe try reading thoroughly next time? I’d said,

“BUT we do know that he mastered KCM practically within an instant. He died almost immediately after sealing Kurama within himself so unless he mastered it before he died (which is more extraordinary), he mastered it on his way to the battlefield. So writing him off in sage mode is retarded.

But anyway, if you’re really butthurt about the Sage mode argument then let’s switch over to the KCM (pay attention this time lol). You didn’t restrict that so again, Minato wins. Rip.

 

[Animegoin]

You didnt prove me wrong in madara thread. All you did was use hyperbole excuses when manga + DB back the hype.

By your logic kamui cant teleport water right?
It has never been shown doing it.

I don’t know where you got that logic from but it’s funny come from the same guy that said the following:

Spoiler

Itachi genjutsu basically can control the alliance from a top stragist like shikaku's viewpoint.

Bullshit, you’re trying to use an assumption that Shikaku speculated about Itachi’s genjutsu. So not only are you using Itachi’s MS in this scenario, you’re using a non-proven assumption to attempt to validate your argument. I specifically destroyed this same ass-pull in that Madara thread.

Itachis genjutsu specialty is it cannot be seen through, or ao who saw through ka wouldve seen through it.

Ao didn’t see through KA, he saw Shisui’s eye chakra color approaching and he ordered his men to flee. No proof of Shisui having cast KA on Ao so another ass-pull shot down.

Sound genjutsu countered by genjutsu reflection and keeping distance.

Lmfao where and when?

Just to name a few, nothing else needs to be said. Lmfao fail troll.

 

[Uverdore9]

Again Itachi's genjutsu might work on others but it sure won't against fusion SM Minato.

As per Cee, Minato's base reflexes are faster or on par with fully powered Ay so read the manga again lol.

Minato was able to react and intercept JJ Madara's TSBs while 8 Gates Gai who was moving to near light speed and approaching Madara. That trounces any speed or reaction feats Itachi has so even base Minato would tackle Itachi easily.

Hebi Sasuke was getting slapped around by Ay so he's that's a fail comparison.

Lol even near Naruto level easily beats 3T Itachi.

Itachi reacting to Kirin simply fails hard compared to Minato reacting to Might Gai's speed.

By the time Itachi preps KA he'd be blitzed and killed before he could cast it so its basically useless.

There's simply no way 3T Itachi stands a chance against Minato even without FTG. Minato's arsenal is far superior than Itachi.

You're repeating your points. I covered this part earlier.

What I didnt cover :


- Minato used ftg: in this match up ftg is nonexistent.

- Minato needs to see through a genjutsu to break it, itachi's genjutsu are harder to see through than KA. Minato needs a feat he can see through ka before we can even say for sure he can hold his own against Itachi's one.

- Itachi's reaction speed let him react mentally to kirin which is fast as light by databook suggestion.

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

Minato's feat and reaction dont come close one bit.

Cee said his base reaction = unarmoured A if you go back and check.

 

[Uverdore9]

I don’t know where you got that logic from but it’s funny come from the same guy that said the following:

Spoiler

Bullshit, you’re trying to use an assumption that Shikaku speculated about Itachi’s genjutsu. So not only are you using Itachi’s MS in this scenario, you’re using a non-proven assumption to attempt to validate your argument. I specifically destroyed this same ass-pull in that Madara thread.



Ao didn’t see through KA, he saw Shisui’s eye chakra color approaching and he ordered his men to flee. No proof of Shisui having cast KA on Ao so another ass-pull shot down.



Lmfao where and when?

Just to name a few, nothing else needs to be said. Lmfao fail troll.

God bring some logical members back into this base unlike this guy who logs in just for trolling.


Please god.




Whatever you say, you're right, minato wins.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

You're repeating your points. I covered this part earlier.

What I didnt cover :


- Minato used ftg: in this match up ftg is nonexistent.

- Minato needs to see through a genjutsu to break it, itachi's genjutsu are harder to see through than KA. Minato needs a feat he can see through ka before we can even say for sure he can hold his own against Itachi's one.

- Itachi's reaction speed let him react mentally to kirin which is fast as light by databook suggestion.

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

Minato's feat and reaction dont come close one bit.

Cee said his base reaction = unarmoured A if you go back and check.

I've already countered everything you've said in my last post or do you want me to repeat myself lol? Better read my last post again.

3T Itachi simply doesn't stand a chance against Minato without FTG due to Minato's arsenal still being better and more powerful thant Itachi's.

@Bold Read the manga dude.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

3t itachi isn't really that much of a threat tbh. the only problem is genjutsu, and even without going into SM, Ma or pa can sit on his shoulder to break any and all attempts via parter method.

Fireballs aint doing shit to minato. shuriken jutsu aint doing shit to minato, and if itachi tries taijutsu he's gonna get his back blown out by rasengan.

 

[Animegoin]

God bring some logical members back into this base unlike this guy who logs in just for trolling.


Please god.




Whatever you say, you're right, minato wins.

Lmfao good boy, remember your place and stay quiet. Notice how you avoided responding though to my points though lol.