[VS] MS Itachi vs MS Sasuke

[Master Omi]

Kakashi's statement completely contradicts the notion that all it takes to beat the "strongest" version of Tsukuyomi, is a base sharingan:

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As matter of fact Kakashi's implies it can't be broken, when Itachi really tries with Tsukuyomi.

 

[Animegoin]

Kakashi's statement completely contradicts the notion that all it takes to beat the "strongest" version of Tsukuyomi, is a base sharingan:

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As matter of fact Kakashi's implies it can't be broken, when Itachi really tried with Tsukuyomi.

I’m pretty sure he said that only because none of them have sharingan so explaining the MS requirement is irrelevant. Idk.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Kakashi's statement completely contradicts the notion that all it takes to beat the "strongest" version of Tsukuyomi, is a base sharingan:

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As matter of fact Kakashi's implies it can't be broken, when Itachi really tries with Tsukuyomi.

With that scan though it’s possible he’s talking about them specifically, cause this is right after they chiyo tells them about needing 2 people to break it

 

[Master Omi]

With that scan though it’s possible he’s talking about them specifically, cause this is right after they chiyo tells them about needing 2 people to break it

Considering what Kakashi said he couldn't be talking about just them. He said "it has nothing to do with whether you can defeat genjutsu or not. " The wording indicates he meant in general.

 

[Animegoin]

Considering what Kakashi said he couldn't be talking about just them. He said "it has nothing to do with whether you can defeat genjutsu or not. " The wording indicates he meant in general.

And again, none of them have the sharingan aside from Kakashi so explaining the ‘MS requirement +Uchiha DNA to defeat Tsukuyoumi’ is irrelevant. It’s not a contradiction, it’s simply a basic explanation that says exactly what it needs to pertaining to the party members involved.

A similar scenario would be Black Zetsu stating that Sasuke’s Rinnegan prevented him from succumbing to IT. If Sasuke didn’t have the Rinnegan then that wouldn’t need to be stated.

 

[Master Omi]

And again, none of them have the sharingan aside from Kakashi so explaining the ‘MS requirement +Uchiha DNA to defeat Tsukuyoumi’ is irrelevant. It’s not a contradiction, it’s simply a basic explanation that says exactly what it needs to pertaining to the party members involved.

A similar scenario would be Black Zetsu stating that Sasuke’s Rinnegan prevented him from succumbing to IT. If Sasuke didn’t have the Rinnegan then that wouldn’t need to be stated.

It doesn't make a difference who he said it to because of the content of what he said. It's not similar to the scenario with Sasuke's Rinnegan at all. Chiyo's and Kakashi's statements are similar to this:

Chiyo: "You don't have to worry about his super knife, because we have super armor."

Kakashi: "No armor can stop this knife from penetrating."

Kakashi had no reason to make a sweeping statement similar to that, he could simply stated " his ocular genjutsu has you in an instant, none of those methods will work."

Kakashi wording implies it doesn't matter even if they could defeat Tsukuyomi, without time dilation, because when he can use time dilation

 

[Animegoin]

It doesn't make a difference who he said it to because of the content of what he said. It's not similar to the scenario with Sasuke's Rinnegan at all. Chiyo's and Kakashi's statements are similar to this:

Chiyo: "You don't have to worry about his super knife, because we have super armor."

Kakashi: "No armor can stop this knife from penetrating."

Kakashi had no reason to make a sweeping statement similar to that, he could simply stated " his ocular genjutsu has you in an instant, none of those methods will work."

Kakashi wording implies it doesn't matter even if they could defeat Tsukuyomi, without time dilation, because when he can use time dilation

It does make a difference who he said it to lol. Why would you contribute extra information if it’s not going to help the situation at all? Again, you’re reaching and it isn’t going anywhere. No contradiction here whatsoever.

 

[Master Omi]

It does make a difference who he said it to lol. Why would you contribute extra information if it’s not going to help the situation at all? Again, you’re reaching and it isn’t going anywhere. No contradiction here whatsoever.

Of course it doesn't matter who it's said to, if what you said applies to everyone. Just because he was talking to Chiyo and Co. doesn't mean he was just talking about Chiyo and Co.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

For Sasuke wins, what difficulty would you guys be looking at?

Highest diff for both just because they’re each other’s worst match up.

 

[Animegoin]

Of course it doesn't matter who it's said to, if what you said applies to everyone. Just because he was talking to Chiyo and Co. doesn't mean he was just talking about Chiyo and Co.

Lmfao so again, you didn’t answer my question. Why would you contribute extra information if it’s not going to help the situation at all?

 

[Master Omi]

Lmfao so again, you didn’t answer my question. Why would you contribute extra information if it’s not going to help the situation at all?

And you completely ignored what I said here:

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Chiyo's and Kakashi's statements are similar to this:

Chiyo: "You don't have to worry about his super knife, because we have super armor."

Kakashi: "No armor can stop this knife from penetrating."

Kakashi had no reason to make a sweeping statement similar to that, he could simply stated " his ocular genjutsu has you in an instant, none of those methods will work."

Kakashi wording implies it doesn't matter even if they could defeat Tsukuyomi, without time dilation, because when he can use time dilation

What extra information? Not that it matters though, the whole reason I said it doesn't matter who he said it to was because his choice words indicated Tsukuyomi would work the same with anyone.

 

[Animegoin]

And you completely ignored what I said here:


What extra information? Not that it matters though, the whole reason I said it doesn't matter who he said it to was because his choice words indicated Tsukuyomi would work the same with anyone.

LMFAO no, your problem is that you don’t want to accept that Kakashi was speaking about the present party. That is evident by the sequential comments (excluding mine because you ignored mine initially lol):

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With that scan though it’s possible he’s talking about them specifically, cause this is right after they chiyo tells them about needing 2 people to break it

Considering what Kakashi said he couldn't be talking about just them. He said "it has nothing to do with whether you can defeat genjutsu or not. " The wording indicates he meant in general.

And again, none of them have the sharingan aside from Kakashi so explaining the ‘MS requirement +Uchiha DNA to defeat Tsukuyoumi’ is irrelevant. It’s not a contradiction, it’s simply a basic explanation that says exactly what it needs to pertaining to the party members involved.

A similar scenario would be Black Zetsu stating that Sasuke’s Rinnegan prevented him from succumbing to IT. If Sasuke didn’t have the Rinnegan then that wouldn’t need to be stated.

So try to imagine that if Sasuke’d been there, Kakashi’s words would’ve been directed to the others and he would’ve explained the MS bit for Sasuke. Outside of that scenario the knowledge doesn’t help.

 

[Master Omi]

LMFAO no, your problem is that you don’t want to accept that Kakashi was speaking about the present party. That is evident by the sequential comments (excluding mine because you ignored mine initially lol):


So try to imagine that if Sasuke’d been there, Kakashi’s words would’ve been directed to the others and he would’ve explained the MS bit for Sasuke. Outside of that scenario the knowledge doesn’t help.

lol, you ignored this first:

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Considering what Kakashi said he couldn't be talking about just them. He said "it has nothing to do with whether you can defeat genjutsu or not. " The wording indicates he meant in general.

I didn't think it was necessary to reply to that. Kakashi doesn't believe that Tsukuyomi can be broken out of, so regardless it doesn't matter. It's not irrelevant, even if you believe those are the requirements, because by explaining the requirements to beat the jutsu, he's also explaining they can't do it.

 

[Animegoin]

lol, you ignored this first:

I didn't think it was necessary to reply to that. Kakashi doesn't believe that Tsukuyomi can be broken out of, so regardless it doesn't matter. It's not irrelevant, even if you believe those are the requirements, because by explaining the requirements to beat the jutsu, he's also explaining they can't do it.

Lmfao fail. How did I ignore that quote when I literally provided it in my response? You’re desperate as hell at this point. Your argument was defeated about 6 replies ago.

 

[King Of Pop]

Kakashi's statement completely contradicts the notion that all it takes to beat the "strongest" version of Tsukuyomi, is a base sharingan:

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As matter of fact Kakashi's implies it can't be broken, when Itachi really tries with Tsukuyomi.

Urmm they were trying to combat genjutsu using the 2 on 1 partner method but that method only works if it's regular genjutsu, not something like tsukuyomi where itachi has control. So kakashi statement was in relation to the others and the method they attempted using to counter itachi Genjutsu. I mean it's just simple comprehension.

Itachi has already stated what is needed to beat Tsukuyomi, the user himself does not believe it can't be broken so why are you trying to argue otherwise? smh. And here I thought the itachi wankfest had gone

 

[Jinrou]

Was gonna say Itachi wins but I see some interesting points in
Sasuke's defense.

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It depends on how much chakra a healthy Itachi would have compared to Sasuke. This version of Sasuke doesn't have anything to get through Itachi's Susanoo other than Susanoo and vice versa although it would involve them pounding on each other. Sasuke has long ranged but it won't get past Itachi's Susanoo. Itachi's Susanoo is close ranged but it won't get through Sasuke's Susanoo that easily either.

Setting up Kirin might give Sasuke the win though since the blast was still strong enough to vaporize his clothes and out him on the ground which would give Sasuke enough time to land a finishing blow.

On the other hand, Itachi fights in a smarter way compared to Sasuke in an attempt to conserve his chakra as opposed to Sasuke who spammed his Mamgekyou to the point of nearly losing his light in the same day. I expect Itachi to use fire to create a smokescreen and follow up with crow clones to trick Sasuke with. A constant smoke screen to impair Sasuke's vision preventing him from locating Itachi in the smoke while attacking with small attacks to keep Sasuke's Susanoo up. The issue here though is that Sasuke could do the same thing and it'll just become a game of hide and seek.

Either it'll end up with a fight between Susanoos or a fight within a smokescreen to conserve chakra since being able to see each other will end up resulting in Sasuke putting up his Susanoo and Itachi activating his to defend himself.

Genjutsu is countered but can be used for a splitsecond or discreetly by both individuals with Itachi having the edge through better genjutsu and tactics.

Tsukyomi would be a waste of chakra since Sasuke with MS will definitely break it.

Same.. I actually created the thread with the belief Itachi wins. Credits to King, Infinite and Rikudou for actually bringing up logical points.

Kakashi's statement completely contradicts the notion that all it takes to beat the "strongest" version of Tsukuyomi, is a base sharingan:

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As matter of fact Kakashi's implies it can't be broken, when Itachi really tries with Tsukuyomi.

Nah. As others have pointed out, it was referring to that current party. Not to mention the small issue of Sasuke breaking it with 3T. With MS, it should be easier no?

 

[KidGamer65]

The one with more stamina wins. That is how it's always been with this match up despite the stupid excuses people like to make for why Itachi could overpower and defeat Sasuke.

Example? Idiots talking about Izanami yet Izanami's requirements are specifically stated and Sasuke doesn't fall under them. :lol

Then we have the good ol' "Itachi is just on another level" bullshit.

 

[Master Omi]

Lmfao fail. How did I ignore that quote when I literally provided it in my response? You’re desperate as hell at this point. Your argument was defeated about 6 replies ago.

Your reply didn't address what I was saying.

 

[Animegoin]

Your reply didn't address what I was saying.

I’m sorry you’re having trouble, please tell me which part seems to trouble you.

 

[Master Omi]

I’m sorry you’re having trouble, please tell me which part seems to trouble you.

What do you mean, I'm having trouble?

Urmm they were trying to combat genjutsu using the 2 on 1 partner method but that method only works if it's regular genjutsu, not something like tsukuyomi where itachi has control. So kakashi statement was in relation to the others and the method they attempted using to counter itachi Genjutsu. I mean it's just simple comprehension.

Itachi has already stated what is needed to beat Tsukuyomi, the user himself does not believe it can't be broken so why are you trying to argue otherwise? smh. And here I thought the itachi wankfest had gone

Your not taking into account Kakashi's word choice. If Kakashi simply meant the partner method doesn't work, he could say this: "If it catches you, It has you instantly, so the partner method doesn't work", but he didn't state that, he made a sweeping statement about how it doesn't matter whether you can defeat genjutsu, due to time dilation.

Itachi lied to Kakashi initially about Tsukuyomi being able to be beaten by a 3 tomoe.