How weak was Hamura Otsutsuki?

[Sir Blades]

Lmfao totally dude, you f*cked up but let’s blame the system. Seems to be your “go-to” for all of your mistakes

You moron, implication works both ways. It can be implied that Hamura solo’d Kaguya based on the way he worded it. Which you know to be true but you wanted to get prissy and got stomped in the process. Your fault lol.

And it’s funny how we’re back to implication again; because as I said before, that phrase is usually used in 1v1 and could imply that Hamura TANGO’d with Kaguya on his own. You’re an idiot conversing with a genius, sit down. Lmfao

@bold : Oh because we've clearly known each other for years it seems.

Ah yes the name calling, when you lack the verbiage to make a clear thought that's what you end up with. Yahcob is a level headed user, so i know for a fact his comment was implied to include Hamural, not to spotlight his ability as the one true source of Kaguya's sealing.

I'm well aware of the many contextual definitions that phrase carries, I used it in relation to Hamaru's and Hagoromo's joint effort to seal Kaguya using the Yin and Yang sealing technique. I have already provided the one of many definitions provided for that phrase, it seems to me that you only know of one way to use it and therefore you think its the only way when that is not the case.
Last time I checked the Cambridge english dictionary was more credible and reliable than your banter on such a straw man approach. And only and idiot can self proclaim to be a genius. Please let the butthurt run through you, let it run its course and come back with a fluid line of thought.

 

[GetsugaTenshou]

Since you guys don’t like to read previous comments I’ll just copy and paste my response here:

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Yeah but I don’t think they had developed ninshuu to that point yet where they would know sealing techniques. When they sealed Kaguya, they simply used one of the rinnegan’s natural abilities to seal Kaguya. And since Hamura didn’t have the SO6P staff (Truth seeking orbs) in the anime, it’s safe to say that Hagormo gave him a portion of his Six paths Sejutsu (so he wouldn’t be immediately disintegrated by Kaguya lol) and informed him of how to use his portion of the power to help utilize the Chibaku Tensei. Which is why in the manga panel, Hamura has a SO6P staff there. Is this too far fetched?

Let me know what you think of that.

I did read the previous comments. The anime is irrelevant to the canon timeline and shouldn't be taken seriously, especially when it distorts the portrayal of the manga

 

[Animegoin]

@bold : Oh because we've clearly known each other for years it seems.

Ah yes the name calling, when you lack the verbiage to make a clear thought that's what you end up with. Yahcob is a level headed user, so i know for a fact his comment was implied to include Hamural, not to spotlight his ability as the one true source of Kaguya's sealing.

I'm well aware of the many contextual definitions that phrase carries, I used it in relation to Hamaru's and Hagoromo's joint effort to seal Kaguya using the Yin and Yang sealing technique. I have already provided the one of many definitions provided for that phrase, it seems to me that you only know of one way to use it and therefore you think its the only way when that is not the case.
Last time I checked the Cambridge english dictionary was more credible and reliable than your banter on such a straw man approach. And only and idiot can self proclaim to be a genius. Please let the butthurt run through you, let it run its course and come back with a fluid line of thought.

Lmfao so way to destroy your own argument. Refer to @ bold because you got pissy with me because I haven’t know. yahcob for years to know what he was and wasn’t implying. And like I said, implications work both ways and just to correct you again, your alleged intuition of your friend allowed you to include Hagormo* there. Hamura was already in the scenario. Lmfao fail

And again, even you “definition” you provided, I still explained how you screwed up. Lmfao you can say anything you want but you’re not fixing your idiocy XD.

@Underline: Pretty sure you meant, “Only an* idiot can self-proclaim to be a genius” But that contradicts your statement on name calling you said which makes you a hypocrite and a dumb one at that. Bravo, good fellow. Bravo XD

 

[Animegoin]

I did read the previous comments. The anime is irrelevant to the canon timeline and shouldn't be taken seriously, especially when it distorts the portrayal of the manga

It doesn’t distort the portrayal of the manga at all though. At least I don’t think it does.

 

[GetsugaTenshou]

It doesn’t distort the portrayal of the manga at all though. At least I don’t think it does.

But it does. You said "since Hamura didn’t have the SO6P staff (Truth seeking orbs) in the anime" which led you to the conclusion that Hagoromo somehow gave him a portion of his power, but that wasn't implied in the manga. The manga portrayed Hamura as possibly being less powerful than Hagoromo but still powerful enough to stand on his own two feet without needing handouts from his older brother

 

[Sir Blades]

Lmfao so way to destroy your own argument. Refer to @ bold because you got pissy with me because I haven’t know. yahcob for years to know what he was and wasn’t implying. And like I said, implications work both ways and just to correct you again, your alleged intuition of your friend allowed you to include Hagormo* there. Hamura was already in the scenario. Lmfao fail

And again, even you “definition” you provided, I still explained how you screwed up. Lmfao you can say anything you want but you’re not fixing your idiocy XD.

@Underline: Pretty sure you meant, “Only an* idiot can self-proclaim to be a genius” But that contradicts your statement on name calling you said which makes you a hypocrite and a dumb one at that. Bravo, good fellow. Bravo XD

@bold: have no idea what you're saying there. Are you too flustered? Take your time, I'll wait for a more legible sentence. So before you go around claiming to be a genius, check yourself before you wreck yourself.
Yes, I clearly stated that only an idiot claims to be a genius and you making such claims is a clear example of you yourself playing yourself. Its called an in-directive,its not name calling its simply a statement based on a observation of character, so if the shoe fits.....

Yahcob included Hamura, you interpreted his post as Hamura being the sole propagator of the sealing of Kaguya. I have clearly stated the same stance by explicitly stating that it was a team effort. You seem to only want to downplay the feats of Hamura for some reason.

 

[Animegoin]

@bold: have no idea what you're saying there. Are you too flustered? Take your time, I'll wait for a more legible sentence. So before you go around claiming to be a genius, check yourself before you wreck yourself.
Yes, I clearly stated that only an idiot claims to be a genius and you making such claims is a clear example of you yourself playing yourself. Its called an in-directive,its not name calling its simply a statement based on a observation of character, so if the shoe fits.....

Yahcob included Hamura, you interpreted his post as Hamura being the sole propagator of the sealing of Kaguya. I have clearly stated the same stance by explicitly stating that it was a team effort. You seem to only want to downplay the feats of Hamura for some reason.

Wait, so you didn’t get my implication I was trying to make despite it being typed out right there? Hm, unlike you getting prissy with me over an incomplete statement which was left to one’s interpretation, you had the full thing right there for you. But I’ll decipher it for Your small mind. XD

Lmfao so way to destroy your own argument. Refer to @ bold because you got pissy with me because I haven’t known yahcob for years to know what he was and wasn’t implying

It’s crazy what removing a period could unveil. Much like you, perhaps you’re on yours?

 

[Animegoin]

Yes, I clearly stated that only an idiot claims to be a genius and you making such claims is a clear example of you yourself playing yourself. Its called an in-directive,its not name calling its simply a statement based on a observation of character, so if the shoe fits.....

Lmfao, you clearly stated “And only and idiot can self proclaim to be a genius.” Except unlike mine, your error wasn’t intentional. Ohhhh! So sorry. And also, I used and continue to use in-directives when I assess your intelligence which is very minute to say the least. So again, you’re an idiot arguing with a genius. SiT down. XD

Yahcob included Hamura, you interpreted his post as Hamura being the sole propagator of the sealing of Kaguya. I have clearly stated the same stance by explicitly stating that it was a team effort. You seem to only want to downplay the feats of Hamura for some reason.

Lmfao I don’t think you know how retarded you sound. Or you do, you’re just trying to sound so dumb that you trick the reader into assuming that you’re smart. Lmfao either way, fail. How many is that so far btw?

 

[Animegoin]

But it does. You said "since Hamura didn’t have the SO6P staff (Truth seeking orbs) in the anime" which led you to the conclusion that Hagoromo somehow gave him a portion of his power, but that wasn't implied in the manga. The manga portrayed Hamura as possibly being less powerful than Hagoromo but still powerful enough to stand on his own two feet without needing handouts from his older brother

Not really, everyone knew Hamura was fierecely weaker than Hagoromo because his descendants were shit compared to Hagoromo’s. Hell, Hamura’s descendants are shit compared to some non-Otsutuski lineage clans too. But I thought that would be common sense, no?

 

[GetsugaTenshou]

Not really, everyone knew Hamura was fierecely weaker than Hagoromo because his descendants were shit compared to Hagoromo’s. Hell, Hamura’s descendants are shit compared to some non-Otsutuski lineage clans too. But I thought that would be common sense, no?

His descendants don't have Six Paths Senjutsu, TSB and a Byakugan as pure as his though, so no, it isn't 'common sense'. Clearly, not 'everyone' thinks he was 'fiercely weaker' because more than a few people here have argued that Hamura was quite powerful in his own right. And again, like I said, Hamura isn't as weak as you claim he is because if he was, he would have been a liability to Hagoromo and held him back which would have resulted in them failing to seal Kaguya. Hagoromo was more powerful than Hamura but not tiers above him in strength.

 

[Sir Blades]

Wait, so you didn’t get my implication I was trying to make despite it being typed out right there? Hm, unlike you getting prissy with me over an incomplete statement which was left to one’s interpretation, you had the full thing right there for you. But I’ll decipher it for Your small mind. XD



It’s crazy what removing a period could unveil. Much like you, perhaps you’re on yours?

Sorry, forgot to turn my brain off when reading your post. I'll remember to not use my brain when reading anything you post. Its not only the period its the failed conjugation tense of the word "know". You made what would have been a clear train of thought in to a ramble divided by a random period mark and a wrong tense on a word making you seem rushed and mildly illiterate. In conclusion its "known" not "know".

I've already posted everything I have to say, i.e( my stance on hamura and hagoromo, clarification of what yahcob and myself have stated and a correction to your not knowing what yahcob was implying), you are more than welcomed to continue the hooliganism. I think we are done here I hope.

 

[Animegoin]

His descendants don't have Six Paths Senjutsu and TSB though, so no, it isn't 'common sense'. And again, like I said, Hamura isn't as weak as you claim he is because if he was, he would have been a liability to Hagoromo and held him back which would result in them failing to seal Kaguya

Hagoromo’s descendants didn’t have senjutsu nor TSB at first either so what’s your point? They were still stronger than Hamura’s kids. And we all know that Hagoromo eventually granted Asura his truth seeking orbs and senjutsu but the orbs weren’t passed down and the last one that received the senjutsu was Hashirama so, again, what’s your point?

 

[GetsugaTenshou]

Hagoromo’s descendants didn’t have senjutsu nor TSB at first either so what’s your point? They were still stronger than Hamura’s kids. And we all know that Hagoromo eventually granted Asura his truth seeking orbs and senjutsu but the orbs weren’t passed down and the last one that received the senjutsu was Hashirama so, again, what’s your point?

Don't know why you're getting passive aggressive with people who respond to you. Either way, I've made my stance on this clear, Hamura was weaker than Hagoromo but pretty powerful in his own right because Hagoromo deemed him powerful enough to fight alongside him and their efforts didn't result in failure like you would expect it to if Hamura was as weak as you claim him to be. The manga doesn't portray this difference in strength that you believe exists and that's made evident by the parallels drawn with Naruto and Sasuke back to Hagoromo and Hamura.

What was the point in asking this question since apparently you already have your own answer? It's like you just want to get into arguments with people for the sake of it

 

[Waltz]

Sorry, forgot to turn my brain off when reading your post. I'll remember to not use my brain when reading anything you post. Its not only the period its the failed conjugation tense of the word "know". You made what would have been a clear train of thought in to a ramble divided by a random period mark and a wrong tense on a word making you seem rushed and mildly illiterate. In conclusion its "known" not "know".

I've already posted everything I have to say, i.e( my stance on hamura and hagoromo, clarification of what yahcob and myself have stated and a correction to your not knowing what yahcob was implying), you are more than welcomed to continue the hooliganism. I think we are done here I hope.

Never let a superiority complex prevent you from being sound, logical and reasonable. ​

 

[Animegoin]

Don't know why you're getting passive aggressive with people who respond to you. Either way, I've made my stance on this clear, Hamura was weaker than Hagoromo but pretty powerful in his own right because Hagoromo deemed him powerful enough to fight alongside him and their efforts didn't result in failure like you would expect it to if Hamura was as weak as you claim him to be. The manga doesn't portray this difference in strength that you believe exists and that's made evident by the parallels drawn with Naruto and Sasuke back to Hagoromo and Hamura.

What was the point in asking this question since apparently you already have your own answer? It's like you just want to get into arguments with people for the sake of it

Your entire tone in that was was aggression so that’s what I responded with. Simple as that, I explained my answer to ALL of your questions and have received yours, despite them not answering anything really. But thanks for contributing.

 

[Umari Senju]

The problem here is you are going off the assumption that Hagoromo shares his powers with Hamura in order for him to fight along side him, when you have no actual proof of this. As you stated you are using an Anime filler to form a hypothesis that lends to the notion that Hamura could not fight along his brother without his aid.

This was never stated not proven I’m the manga, anime, or The Last. Hamura May have been somewhat below Hagoromo’s level but that doesn’t mean he was incapable of fighting by his side. We’ve seen what Otsutsuki can do without Sage Mode or a Rinnegan (reference Kinshiki) Hamura was Kaguya son. Directly from her womb just like Hagoromo.

He is still god tier if that’s what you’re asking. He just isn’t at Hagoromo’s level though the power gap is small. Things got rushed and haphazardly put together at the end of the series so things were not developed on Hamura’s end as they should of been, hense why he was the subject of matter in The Last; to give more background on his character.

Again, you basing a huge portion of your hypothesis on “filler” info which quite often contradicts, and sometimes, downright ignores manga material.

 

[GetsugaTenshou]

Your entire tone in that was was aggression so that’s what I responded with. Simple as that, I explained my answer to ALL of your questions and have received yours, despite them not answering anything really. But thanks for contributing.

Not really. I responded the way I did because you were already talking down to me in your previous response with "But I thought that would be common sense, no?"

 

[Animegoin]

Sorry, forgot to turn my brain off when reading your post. I'll remember to not use my brain when reading anything you post. Its not only the period its the failed conjugation tense of the word "know". You made what would have been a clear train of thought in to a ramble divided by a random period mark and a wrong tense on a word making you seem rushed and mildly illiterate. In conclusion its "known" not "know".

I've already posted everything I have to say, i.e( my stance on hamura and hagoromo, clarification of what yahcob and myself have stated and a correction to your not knowing what yahcob was implying), you are more than welcomed to continue the hooliganism. I think we are done here I hope.

Lmfao the exact same thing is what I’ve been informing you about yourself. Again, you made yourself the victim needlessly. I hope you plug that bloody leak you’re experiencing. If not, come on back and get destroyed again. I’ve got all day XD

 

[Sof6p]

Never let a superiority complex prevent you from being sound, logical and reasonable. ​

The best advice in the thread, to do that people need to leave their hubris at the door.

OP: Hamura had Rokudo chakra as evidenced by his Six paths staff much like defeated Obito. That indicates he was quite powerful however that in no way puts him on par with Hogaromo.

 

[Waltz]

"Hamura has no feats, how could he have possibly contributed". Feats alone don't determine a characters potential or capabilities. Prime Hiruzen has no feats but we know in that state he was stronger than old Hiruzen. While alive 3T Madara had no feats but we know that he was the strongest in the clan so he's automatically above any other 3T user at that time. Hamura's abilities were sufficient to aid his brother in Besting Kaguya and the fact that he survived the entire fight which would logically include surviving Kaguya's attacks without any life threatening injuries one would assume that he had a vast array of abilities at hand comparable to his brother in strength but not quite the equivalent which allowed him to achieve these things. ​