How weak was Hamura Otsutsuki?

[Animegoin]

We all know that Hagoromo had defeated Kaguya using a technique that’s unique to the Rinnegan (and arguably the Tenseigan) which is the Chibaku Tensei. Now, in the anime (I know but bare with me), Gamamaru had told Hagoromo that if he had learned Sage mode, he’d be more than a match for his mother. Now at that time it’s important to note that Hagoromo only had the sharingan. After Hagoromo killed Hamura and resurrected him, he awakened the Rinnegan and fought alongside Hamura to take down Kaguya.

With all that being said, Hagoromo had freshly awakened his Rinnegan and had to learn to use his new eye’s abilities just as Sasuke had to play around with his. It’s safe to say that a skilled Hagoromo would’ve taken down Kaguya by himself (yeah, no sh*t. His power alone allowed Naruto and Sasuke to do it). So what did Hamura actually contribute to the battle and how weak is he? It’s true that he possess a Kekkei Mora Byakugan and six paths senjutsu (somehow, idk) but I don’t believe for a second that even if he had mastered sage mode, that he’d be able to defeat Kaguya. And I use “defeat” loosely. Be it sealing her or destroying her Momoshiki style (which I believe Hagoromo can).

What do you guys think?

 

[Char Aznable]

Hamura had sealing jutsu, just like Hagormo.

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He had TSB, just like his brother as well.

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The plot of of the Kaguya arc was rushed and haphazardly handled. Kaguya's descendants are the Uchiha, Senju, Uzumaki, Hyuga and Kaguya clans. But only Hagormo showed up to represent his side and exposit dialogue and history ASAP.

 

[Sagebee]

Well byakugan hamura was stated to be inferior to hagoromo but u suspect tenseigan hamura was on equal level to him

 

[Uverdore9]

Hamura is strong but pretty weak compared to Hagoromo and his feats. Dude created mountains of moon sized blocks up in the sky and Tobi called him un-human.

 

[Animegoin]

Hamura had sealing jutsu, just like Hagormo.

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He had TSB, just like his brother as well.

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The plot of of the Kaguya arc was rushed and haphazardly handled. Kaguya's descendants are the Uchiha, Senju, Uzumaki, Hyuga and Kaguya clans. But only Hagormo showed up to represent his side and exposit dialogue and history ASAP.

Yeah but I don’t think they had developed ninshuu to that point yet where they would know sealing techniques. When they sealed Kaguya, they simply used one of the rinnegan’s natural abilities to seal Kaguya. And since Hamura didn’t have the SO6P staff (Truth seeking orbs) in the anime, it’s safe to say that Hagormo gave him a portion of his Six paths Sejutsu (so he wouldn’t be immediately disintegrated by Kaguya lol) and informed him of how to use his portion of the power to help utilize the Chibaku Tensei. Which is why in the manga panel, Hamura has a SO6P staff there. Is this too far fetched?

 

[Animegoin]

Well byakugan hamura was stated to be inferior to hagoromo but u suspect tenseigan hamura was on equal level to him

I don’t think he would be equal to Hagormo because Hagoromo has Sage mode also, but if Hamura acquired sage mode too…then most definitely.

 

[Animegoin]

Hamura is strong but pretty weak compared to Hagoromo and his feats. Dude created mountains of moon sized blocks up in the sky and Tobi called him un-human.

I didn’t know Tobi actually talked about Hamura, that’s awesome.

 

[Belserion]

Below Hagoromo slighty above Indra and Ashura.

 

[Yahcob13]

Weak enough to seal Kaguya

 

[Animegoin]

Weak enough to seal Kaguya

Lmfao you clearly didn’t read the post and also he clearly didn’t do it by himself, nor at all really.

 

[Sir Blades]

Lmfao you clearly didn’t read the post and also he clearly didn’t do it by himself, nor at all really.

He never said he did it himself, it takes TWO to tango buddy

The question isn't how weak Hamura is, the question is how strong Hamura is given the fact that he is Hagoromo's brother and subsequently Kaguya's son.

And we all know you're an alt by the way

 

[Sir Blades]

Lmfao you clearly didn’t read the post and also he clearly didn’t do it by himself, nor at all really.

He never said he did it himself, it takes TWO to tango buddy

The question isn't how weak Hamura is, the question is how strong Hamura is given the fact that he is Hagoromo's brother and subsequently Kaguya's son.

And we all know you're an alt by the way

 

[Animegoin]

He never said he did it himself, it takes TWO to tango buddy

The question isn't how weak Hamura is, the question is how strong Hamura is given the fact that he is Hagoromo's brother and subsequently Kaguya's son.

And we all know you're an alt by the way

Well first of all, way to double post lmfao. #fail
Also, what’s an “alt?”
And if you read the posts here, you’d know I explained everything about their relationship and how useless being his brother is compared to just being him.

OH, and btw, Yahcob13 also didn’t state that Hamura sealed Kaguya with his brother’s help. So you sound foolish. Also the “it takes two to tango” isn’t commonly used for partners, it’s used for opponents in 1v1s and in your context you’re speaking as if Hamura really did solo Kaguya. Try to be smart. Thanks

 

[3MESSIAH]

Toneri level at the least

I dont take filler episodes seriously

 

[Animegoin]

Toneri level at the least

I dont take filler episodes seriously

I know, most people don’t lol. That’s why I put that “(I know but bare with me)” when I referenced the anime.

 

[Sir Blades]

Well first of all, way to double post lmfao. #fail
Also, what’s an “alt?”
And if you read the posts here, you’d know I explained everything about their relationship and how useless being his brother is compared to just being him.

OH, and btw, Yahcob13 also didn’t state that Hamura sealed Kaguya with his brother’s help. So you sound foolish. Also the “it takes two to tango” isn’t commonly used for partners, it’s used for opponents and in your context you’re speaking as if Hamura really did solo Kaguya. Try to be smart. Thanks

Its a system error, not my problem.

My bad I guess we weren't aware we had to spoon-feed you obvious information. Yahcob implied that Hamura took part in the sealing of Kaguya.

There are multiple uses for that phrase, one of them being "that an activity needs two people who are willing to take part for it to happen"
Directly quoted from the Cambridge English Dictionary.

Are you done being a straw man?

 

[GetsugaTenshou]

Why would Hamura be weak? He had Six Paths Senjutsu, manifested TSB, was presumably skilled in kenjutsu, had chakra powerful enough to manifest himself centuries after his death, and a very pure Byakugan. He was not as powerful as Hag but he was obviously very powerful himself otherwise he would have been a liability to Hagoromo and held him back which would result in them failing to seal Kaguya (which we know didn't happen).

 

[Animegoin]

Its a system error, not my problem.

My bad I guess we weren't aware we had to spoon-feed you obvious information. Yahcob implied that Hamura took part in the sealing of Kaguya.

There are multiple uses for that phrase, one of them being "that an activity needs two people who are willing to take part for it to happen"
Directly quoted from the Cambridge English Dictionary.

Are you done being a straw man?

Lmfao totally dude, you f*cked up but let’s blame the system. Seems to be your “go-to” for all of your mistakes

You moron, implication works both ways. It can be implied that Hamura solo’d Kaguya based on the way he worded it. Which you know to be true but you wanted to get prissy and got stomped in the process. Your fault lol.

And it’s funny how we’re back to implication again; because as I said before, that phrase is usually used in 1v1 and could imply that Hamura TANGO’d with Kaguya on his own. You’re an idiot conversing with a genius, sit down. Lmfao

 

[Animegoin]

Why would Hamura be weak? He had Six Paths Senjutsu, manifested TSB, was presumably skilled in kenjutsu, had chakra powerful enough to manifest himself centuries after his death, and a very pure Byakugan. He was not as powerful as Hag but he was obviously very powerful himself otherwise he would have been a liability to Hagoromo and held him back which would result in them failing to seal Kaguya (which we know didn't happen).

Since you guys don’t like to read previous comments I’ll just copy and paste my response here:

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Yeah but I don’t think they had developed ninshuu to that point yet where they would know sealing techniques. When they sealed Kaguya, they simply used one of the rinnegan’s natural abilities to seal Kaguya. And since Hamura didn’t have the SO6P staff (Truth seeking orbs) in the anime, it’s safe to say that Hagormo gave him a portion of his Six paths Sejutsu (so he wouldn’t be immediately disintegrated by Kaguya lol) and informed him of how to use his portion of the power to help utilize the Chibaku Tensei. Which is why in the manga panel, Hamura has a SO6P staff there. Is this too far fetched?

Let me know what you think of that.

 

[Cariostar]

Well, I remember that Toneri said that Hamura’s Power could move the moon, but that’s all, I guess.