Would Tajima be proud of Madara?

[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

Or he would think of Madara as the weak link in the chain?


For me he would do the latter. It matches with his personality stated in the databook as the one who kept the Uchiha together as one (and his demanding and strict father manners). To me he didn't care much about dominating the world. He wanted well being to HIS clan, and nothing more.

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[The Necromancer]

I think he would.

If you recall, it was the rest of the Uchiha who forsook Madara first, joining up with the Senju during their skirmishes. It was also the Uchiha who decided to bow down to a Senju Hokage rather than joining up with their Clan Leader to retake what they believed should be theirs.

It was the decisions of these other Uchiha that pushed Madara away and caused the schism between the Uchiha and Konoha decades later.

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

How would he be weak link he wanted best for them. He was their leader and only person who could stand against Hashirama. He saw where things would be going with Tobirama as hokage . He told others but they didn't listen to him and we know what happened when Tobirama was in charge.All he did was for clan .

 

[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

I think he would.

If you recall, it was the rest of the Uchiha who forsook Madara first, joining up with the Senju during their skirmishes. It was also the Uchiha who decided to bow down to a Senju Hokage rather than joining up with their Clan Leader to retake what they believed should be theirs.

It was the decisions of these other Uchiha that pushed Madara away and caused the schism between the Uchiha and Konoha decades later.

So would he look down on his own clan forsaking them in favor of his own son?

That's a difficult situation to admit he would be in.

He would maybe try to stay a bit more within the clan waiting for the moment Tobirama would betray their trust. And then... move on with the clan.

He seemed more headstrong than Madara. Unlike his son, he would do anything - like ANything if you get - to protect the clan.

Ironically Madara seemed more democratic lol.
What would lead Tajima to have some more of disapointment in Madara I think.

 

[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

How would he be weak link he wanted best for them. He was their leader and only person who could stand against Hashirama. He saw where things would be going with Tobirama as hokage . He told others but they didn't listen to him and we know what happened when Tobirama was in charge.All he did was for clan .

Yeah Madara did all that. But he didn't do ""everything"" to protect his clan in the views of the likes of Butsuma and Tajima. That's why I think Tajima would be rather disappointed in Madara.
His son was too democratic lol.

 

[The Necromancer]

So would he look down on his own clan forsaking them in favor of his own son?

That's a difficult situation to admit he would be in.

He would maybe try to stay a bit more within the clan waiting for the moment Tobirama would betray their trust. And then... move on with the clan.

He seemed more headstrong than Madara. Unlike his son, he would do anything - like ANything if you get - to protect the clan.

Ironically Madara seemed more democratic lol.
What would lead Tajima to have some more of disapointment in Madara I think.

Ok but here's the thing, the Uchiha who abandoned their clansmen are no longer Uchiha, they're traitors and mutineers.

Their surrender and betrayal weakened the Uchiha possibly to the extent that they forsook an Uchiha victory over the Senju. What's more, after peace was established, they became complacent and willingly accepted becoming a lower class citizen. Madara realized this and pleaded with them to follow him (not even to war, but just away) and when they refused, Madara was the only Uchiha left with Tajima's beliefs intact.

 

[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

Ok but here's the thing, the Uchiha who abandoned their clansmen are no longer Uchiha, they're traitors and mutineers.

Their surrender and betrayal weakened the Uchiha possibly to the extent that they forsook an Uchiha victory over the Senju. What's more, after peace was established, they became complacent and willingly accepted becoming a lower class citizen. Madara realized this and pleaded with them to follow him (not even to war, but just away) and when they refused, Madara was the only Uchiha left with Tajima's beliefs intact.

So you think that Tajima would forsake the Uchiha Clan?
I just have a hard time with this idea because he seems more willing to prove how the Senju are "evil" than Madara was. He would try to stay longer in the village and not leave it after a short period of time. And prove his point - it could even be out of pride.
Maybe he would look down on Madara's pessimistic behaviour?

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

Yeah Madara did all that. But he didn't do ""everything"" to protect his clan in the views of the likes of Butsuma and Tajima. That's why I think Tajima would be rather disappointed in Madara.
His son was too democratic lol.

Well I don't know much about Tajima did he want peace or did he want world where Uchihas are only one in power and superior to others.

 

[UnderTheRedHood]

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[The Necromancer]

So you think that Tajima would forsake the Uchiha Clan?
I just have a hard time with this idea because he seems more willing to prove how the Senju are "evil" than Madara was. He would try to stay longer in the village and not leave it after a short period of time. And prove his point - it could even be out of pride.
Maybe he would look down on Madara's pessimistic behaviour?

You're not getting it. The Uchiha clan already forsook him. Madara embodied his father's beliefs, and the Uchiha turned their backs on him.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

You're not getting it. The Uchiha clan already forsook him. Madara embodied his father's beliefs, and the Uchiha turned their backs on him.

This. I think his father would be pissed about him making the decision to unite, but would be that bastard saying "I told you so" with open arms after the clan turned their backs. He'd still be disappointed though since the whole reason Madara could even get rejected is because he presented the opportunity.

 

[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

Well I don't know much about Tajima did he want peace or did he want world where Uchihas are only one in power and superior to others.

None. He wanted to win against the Senju and well being for the Uchiha clan. I'm sure he wanted vengeance against them for killing his sons and possibly his father, grandfather etc.
Possibly he would view Madara's attempts to gain power as futile. As he couldn't protect them and gain power in time.


...................Maybe that's why Madara became obssessed with power.

 

[The Necromancer]

This. I think his father would be pissed about him making the decision to unite, but would be that bastard saying "I told you so" with open arms after the clan turned their backs. He'd still be disappointed though since the whole reason Madara could even get rejected is because he presented the opportunity.

To be fair, Madara fought to the very end by himself after so many Uchiha abandoned him. If they hadn't betrayed him, they might have been able to win, and if they had won there would be no treaty.

So it's possible that the Uchiha brought about their own demise long before Itachi or Sasuke were even born.

 

[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

You're not getting it. The Uchiha clan already forsook him. Madara embodied his father's beliefs, and the Uchiha turned their backs on him.

I understood it. But Tajima would want just as good to his son as he wanted to the clan. He is the kind to sacrifice his own kids.
You are trying to apply a personality to him that he never possessed.

As the databook said it, he takes any measure to victory. And as such he wouldn't go away with Madara. He would stay and prove the clan wrong. And win against Senjus.


Maybe even punish the Uchiha afterwards for such treachery.

 

[The Necromancer]

I understood it. But Tajima would want just as good to his son as he wanted to the clan. He is the kind to sacrifice his own kids.
You are trying to apply a personality to him that he never possessed.

As the databook said it, he takes any measure to victory. And as such he wouldn't go away with Madara. He would stay and prove the clan wrong. And win against Senjus.


Maybe even punish the Uchiha afterwards for such treachery.

I don't know how to say it any more clearly. Why would a person who cares only about his clan actively follow and support people who betrayed his clan?

Answer? He wouldn't.

The traitors are no longer Uchiha, they're adopted Senju. Madara was the only Uchiha left who followed Tajima's beliefs. This has nothing to do with personality, this is literally just an interpretation of fact based on presented beliefs.

 

[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

This. I think his father would be pissed about him making the decision to unite, but would be that bastard saying "I told you so" with open arms after the clan turned their backs. He'd still be disappointed though since the whole reason Madara could even get rejected is because he presented the opportunity.

Stop it. Tajima doesn't have this personality you are trying to apply to him.

It says in the databook he loved his sons very deeply. But it also said he viewed this love as a goal. And wasn't above using them as weapons. That's why Madara has an obssession with power since a toddler.

So you think he would play the loving father instead of trying to take drastic measure such as killing Hashirama and Tobirama in their sleep?
Yeah that's him.
And what Madara did wasn't everything that he could try in Tajima's eyes because of this.

 

[salamander uchiha]

...................Maybe that's why Madara became obssessed with power.

Madara saw power as a means to bring peace you should read his databook entry. Power was the means to an end not an end in itself.

OT: Tajima would understand Madara's ultimate goal or join the others. The reason is Tajime would do whatever is necessary, although the destruction of the Uchiha clan which was their own fault may impact him slightly.

 

[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

I don't know how to say it any more clearly. Why would a person who cares only about his clan actively follow and support people who betrayed his clan?

Answer? He wouldn't.

The traitors are no longer Uchiha, they're adopted Senju. Madara was the only Uchiha left who followed Tajima's beliefs. This has nothing to do with personality, this is literally just an interpretation of fact based on presented beliefs.

It's also stated that after a short time after Madara left and they became the police force a lot of Uchiha realized how wrong they were. And tried follow Madara's (and hence Tajima's) ideals.

If Madara was there he could lead them outof that situation far away from Konoha. And that's why Tajima would look down on Madara. He didn't try everything.

Tajima sacrificed 5 of his 5 sons. He would expect more of Madara than simply respecting the clan wishes and the damyos+ Konoha election.

 

[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

Madara saw power as a means to bring peace you should read his databook entry. Power was the means to an end not an end in itself.

OT: Tajima wpuld understand Madara's ultimate goal or join the others.

Let me remind you that he complained to Kid Hashirama that if he was more powerful his siblings wouldn't have died and it was also stated that Tajima was eager to use Madara as means to rise the clan.

If that isn't the beggining of a fixation with power then I don't know what it is.

OT: You think Tajima would give in to the Senju or run away to gain power after the whole clan was dead? lol

I think even Butsuma finds this ridiculous.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Let me remind you that he complained to Kid Hashirama that if he was more powerful his siblings wouldn't have died and it was also stated that Tajima was eager to use Madara as means to rise the clan.

If that isn't the beggining of a fixation with power then I don't know what it is.

Where's the disagreement if Madara had power he could protect his brothers and fullfill his ultimate goal world peace. The clan was safe with the peace and when they weren't Madara tried to warn them but the clan betrayed him. Madara then saw how to completely erase war and decided to aquire ultimate power to do so.

OT: You think Tajima would give in to the Senju or run away to gain power after the whole clan was dead? lol

I think even Butsuma finds this ridiculous.

The scenario never unfolded like that so it's not like yoyr implying. If we were to entertain such a scenario then Tajime would aauire power to wipe the enemy from existence.