Would Tajima be proud of Madara?
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UCHIHAKUNOICHI
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You implied that Madara just wanted power to acquire peace. And it didn't work exactly like that.
Butsuma and Tajima wanted power and peace, but it was just for their own clans.
And that's what happned with Madara at that time.
.....And by the way, Tajima wouldn't abandon the clan no matter what happened. He was raised in different times. And wouldn't even accept a (false) democratic decision.
Maybe Butsuma and Tajima could make the system better. If they were there they would want a Senju and then Uchiha Hokage at time.
How would guess? They could make it better than Hashirama and Madara if they were in the Konoha founding.
UCHIHAKUNOICHI
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And what about the clan? Pft. He would view as pointless since Madara even killed Sasuke- the last Uchiha (even Tobirama viewed it as twisted). lol
The one obssessed with power was Madara not him.
UCHIHAKUNOICHI
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Who is assuming anything here?
Read here "takes any measure to reach victory"
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You think he would give in to the Senju? lol
Butsuma and I are laughing.
salamander uchiha
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That's not what happened though Madara saw the power aquired could help him bring an end to the age of war.
Madara was raised in the same times as well but with the treacherous clan who wouldn't side with him, or leave instead choosing the democratic will he had no choice. He'd have no choice and do the. By the way what most people forget is Hashirama wanted the Uchiha to join the Senju so the fighting could end, had the Uchiha left or threatened to leave Hashirama would've been forced to make Madara rhe leader to maintain the peace. It was a tactical ploy and had it worked out it would've been beneficial to the Uchiha and Madara.
Massive speculation since they weren't there we'll never know.
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Ghost Of The Uchiha
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The Uchiha were the ones who turned their back on Madara, first by defecting to the other side during the clan wars and then by not following his leadership after konoha's foundation when all he wanted was that they'd be treated fairly,after that he tried to create a world of only happiness and love,so i don't think his father would disapprove of his actions.
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For a long time Madara didn't want to acquire peace, he wanted well being to the Uchiha Clan just as Izuna felt like. Never peace to the 5 Nations.
And Tajima's time was less critical, and hence he had stronger convictions of don't giving up to the Senju. He would think Madara trusting Hashirama as dumb.
................As he did a long time ago. Sorry.
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UCHIHAKUNOICHI
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Trusting the Senju and wanting to give them and their lapdogs a happy ending is now acceptable in Tajima's views?
He knew of Kid Madara's intentions of peace and still didn't approve.
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He didn't approve because creating peace for everyone in the everyone in the real world would have been impossible (Madara knew this too with the whole you cant save something without sacrificing something else speech he gave to Obito) whereas the Mugen Tsukuyomi plan would have achieved universal peace (minus the zetsu retcons) and btw Madara always prioritized his brothers and clansmen over everything else only after Izuna died and the others betrayed him he started searching for ultimate power to create a new world.
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Tajima killing Hashirama and Tobirama in their sleep? Nah, man. Tajima wouldn't even be in the village to begin with. I'm saying Tajima would welcome Madara back to wherever he stays, but still fault Madara as the reason they were abandoned. Besides, Tajima could actually play both roles as there's nothing contradictory between the two.
UCHIHAKUNOICHI
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Why do you think that he wanted information from the Senju? To invite them for tea? No, it's for killing intent.
And you clearly don't understand nor the era he was raised nor how leaders behaved back then.
Butsuma clearly stated that Kid Hashirama was going to be punished as a traitor. Tajima clearly felt the same with Madara. It wouldn't be different when he was an adult.
You are bringing a lovely behaviour that he never had. That's the man that saw his son getting murdered and chose to continue fighting.
That's not Fugaku or someone else you had in mind.
Sorry.
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Do you really think Tajima would ditch Madara as powerful as Madara was when he had nothing else left?
UCHIHAKUNOICHI
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Again, you aren't understanding Tajima's character.
He is the kind of person that was raised to give EVERYTHING to the Uchiha clan, including his own sanity, sons, wife.
He would even comit suicide if it meant victory.
"Ditch" Madara is something minor to him.(even if he loves him, because after all it is stated that he loved them therefore he was cruel).
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Tajima would have no reason to ditch Madara. It'd serve literally no purpose.
UCHIHAKUNOICHI
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If it meant not submmiting to the Senju (even if it's suicide for the clan) he would do that and much more.
That's how war in that era works. Sorry to disappoint you.
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so u agree. the clan already submitted to senju and then madara left them. thats when tajima would welcome madara back. it costs him nothing, not even an opportunity cost. going by ur words, tyajima would not be with the clan.
UCHIHAKUNOICHI
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Unfortunatelly, Tajima would never abandon the group - he is opportunistic remember?. Some Uchiha indeed saw the opression later and that's when Tajima would strike.
Otherwise, in another scenario he would never back down to the Senju and trust them.
That's why he would look down on Madara. Trust Hashirama Senju and not having the nerves to stand against adversity.
All together.
Madara's ancestors are crying and Tajima isn't a cupcake either.
Soryyyy. lol