Madara being the first to awaken MS (after Indra) makes no sense!

[chaos control]

There was a span of over 1000 years between the time of Indra and the time of Madara, and during that time, the Uchiha clan was constantly at war.

Having said that, are you really trying to tell me that not one Uchiha (in a span of over 1000 years) lost a beloved comrade or family member in battle (or did they just not care, and as such, didn't experience the emotional trauma necessary to awaken MS)? That is just nonsense!

I remember how people used to complain that having so many sharingan and MS users was a retcon or an asspull because the sharingan was stated to be rare amongst the Uchiha, but if you ask me, even the statement of sharingan being rare amongst the Uchiha makes no freaking sense and is even more of an asspull!

I could see if Madara was the first known Uchiha to have MS, or the person who made it famous. That would be understandable. However, him actually being the first to awaken it period makes no sense at all.

 

[3MESSIAH]

He most probably is THE First known MS user..there must have been others before him

 

[Cfighter]

I mean you answered your own thread lmao. He was likely just the first known user of the MS. Even if the official translation of the manga stated that he was "the first person to have the MS" (I don't remember what the official translation says), that's really just another way of saying that he was the first person credited having the MS. There's nothing to prove or disprove that statement really.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

All these years without sharingan or 3 tomoe at the highest and these Uchihas still stalemated the Senjus. I personally think the reason is because during Madara's era they started targeting children as enemies too which resulted in time to be emotional again for a mangekyo sharingan.

Remember how Sasuke started? Itachi killed his parents and he only awakened 1 tomoes. To get to 3 Tomoe it took great disappointment in himself to reach that state before ganing MS because he lost Itachi.
Now imagine the previous generation from Madara's where the parents/adults still had their wife and kid being alive.
You can tell Tajima awakened those 3 tomoes after the lost of his 4 kids in which he was a middle age man by then.
Some people lost no one back then and awakening a sharingan in only one eye was comman back then too.

 

[ThelMatrix]

How do you know this? There were others before Madara that were Indra incarnates .Madara was closest to awaken Rinnegan and black zetsu didnt think he will fail in the fight against Hashirama.

 

[Greatness23]

Most likely the first known, doubt he was the only one. But then again that could just be a testament to their might, having been able to fight and distinguish themselves with such a power. It was filler but, Fugaku had mangekyo and kept it a secret.

 

[The Paradox]

I'm going to go ahead and say a few theories, all of which are pretty rocky since they have no real proof to back them up.

First one is: Only Indra incarnates (and also pure descendants of Indra that have his specific DNA and chakra AKA pure Uchiha) awakened MS. Of course it was probably like 200+ years since Indra walked the Earth by the time we get to Madara, so there were probably quite a few pure blood relatives still (which explains the fairly large amount of MS users by the time we get to the later generations). This is the most shady theory I have, but it could be an explanation.

Second one is: Bonds were very different in the eras before Madara's. We saw hints of that past era before he existed when we saw flashbacks of him as a kid. His father(and other adults at that time) clearly didn't grow up with many friends and close brotherly bonds with siblings. They were soldiers, shinobi. They were born to keep their clan relevant, strong, and feared. this being said, maybe the sharingan was weaker due to the lack of emotion the clan had before Madara and Izuna? They had no sense of love, which really drove the power of the eye. So, maybe the MS just didn't appear again until Madara and Izuna.

Third one is: Maybe there were other MS users after Indra, but because of the constant war and struggle for power the Uchiha that did awaken it just kept it hidden. This was probably done by the choice of the individuals themselves and not a clan choice. In a time of such violence getting targeted probably isn't ideal...Not only would the other clans target those members more, but their own clansmen would probably turn on them too in a struggle for more power. That's just total chaos and even hell. By the time Madara and Izuna revealed their MS, the times were changed enough.. plus they just knew they were untouchable (specifically Madara). This seems to be the more solid theory I have IMO as we do see Fugaku hide the fact that he had MS (even though times changed).. he knew the danger it could bring to himself and his clan.

 

[Cfighter]

First one is: Only Indra incarnates (and also pure descendants of Indra that have his specific DNA and chakra AKA pure Uchiha) awakened MS. Of course it was probably like 200+ years since Indra walked the Earth by the time we get to Madara, so there were probably quite a few pure blood relatives still (which explains the fairly large amount of MS users by the time we get to the later generations). This is the most shady theory I have, but it could be an explanation.

Except that, other than Sasuke and Madara, the known canon users of MS also include: Izuna, Itachi, Shisui, Obito, and Shin. Your case for potential users keeping their MS hidden is a logical assumption, especially if anyone awakened their MS after Madara's defeat, but I think it's safe to say that it's canonically confirmed that the only pre-requisite you need to unlock MS is simply having a base Sharingan.

 

[Umari Senju]

All these years without sharingan or 3 tomoe at the highest and these Uchihas still stalemated the Senjus. I personally think the reason is because during Madara's era they started targeting children as enemies too which resulted in time to be emotional again for a mangekyo sharingan.

Remember how Sasuke started? Itachi killed his parents and he only awakened 1 tomoes. To get to 3 Tomoe it took great disappointment in himself to reach that state before ganing MS because he lost Itachi.
Now imagine the previous generation from Madara's where the parents/adults still had their wife and kid being alive.
You can tell Tajima awakened those 3 tomoes after the lost of his 4 kids in which he was a middle age man by then.
Some people lost no one back then and awakening a sharingan in only one eye was comman back then too.

This I completely agree. I think the fact that they were sending their children to fight hindered the surfacing of MS all those years ago because they were being killed off before it had time to develop.

It’s jist as bad as having us believe ALL Uchiha were present during the time of the Uchiha massacre. With Uchiha in ANBU and being sent on missions we are expected to believe that EVERY SINGLE Uchiha died that night? None of them went into hiding or just didn’t return after word got out their clan was destroyed.

Like the subject at hand it’s jist unrealistic

 

[Uverdore9]

Mangekyou Sharingan is activated through seeing the death of your loved one and feeling the emotions. In the battle field, they don't have that luxury to watch thier deaths/feel emotions. Simple as that. Madara did, because he had spare time to do because of his superiority to other Uchiha clan members.

 

[Guntah]

I like the idea of him being the first KNOWN one. After all, everything that came before that was part of the clan wars era. Even someone as big as Hagoromo only barely managed to survive that time as a legend, I can't imagine the crazy stuff that could've happened during those thousand years that was simply forgotten through time.