[Predictions] One Piece Manga Chapter 893 Discussion and 894 Predictions

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To be fair though we did have that with SS too, it was a rumored borderline mythical form of Saiyans that appeared in one of XXX number of people. Now almost any Saiyan mentioned has it, I think Raditz might be one of the only ones who didn't get it lol. I agree with you though about the ones who do have it being in the NW so seeing an increase in those with it here isn't that odd.
Nope. The problem with Super Saiyan was that Akira lacked the foresight of Oda. Since DB was meant to end at the end of Namek, Akira slated SS to be something that happened once between Saiyans. Not a subsection of people within a large group like Haoshoku, but originated as ONE person. And that was forced to be retconned because he kept pushing the story further past points he wanted it to end at.

Haoshoku was slated from the beginning to be something a number of significant characters would have, and the NW was hyped multiple times to be the place where these people would gravitate towards. This is exactly what Oda said he would be giving us.
 

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If it's only possible, it would be an insane ability. One can go to any island end to end on Grand Line in seconds.
I don't see why there should be a restriction on it, it's shown to connect to multiple islands across WCI so what reasoning would there be that it'd stop there? It should be a world that connects to every mirror in existence.
 

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This is what I've been waiting for. Katakuri, and Luffy going mano e mano, on essentially equal footing. It was almost a throwback to Zoro vs Cabaji, what with Katakuri stabbing himself to ensure a fair fight. Serious respect for that. He was shunned for having an honestly pretty badass face, but he ended up as the strongest of the Sweet Commanders. What struck me is that he's also the only one so far to actually care unconditionally about his family, despite the fact that evidently, they'll turn on him for showing his face. He fights honorably, which you wouldn't expect from one of the most powerful men in the New World.

Besides that fact that the majority of people in the world are just civilians and aren't top tier fighters among pirates or marines. You already lose like 95% of all people with CoC who have a dormant ability but work as a shopkeeper or whatever.

Another thing is that 1 in a million is just a figure of speech of how rare it is. But at this point in the story it doesn't seem rare at all.

The original point is, if everyone has it, there is no point in having it in the first place because it levels the playing field. Why can't Luffy have an edge on enemies with this thing ? Probably every foe he will face from now on will have it. I can't imagine a yonkou or an admiral without it. Apparently a yonkou first mate also has it. So Oda has been handing it out like freebies.

Why the shock at marineford that he used CoC, there were probably 10 people there with that ability in hindsight. Did it really make Luffy that much dangerous ?

What did it add to the story that Dogtooth showed CoC today ? Would it be too much if Luffy on his own knocked out Flambe and her goons ? That would also give him an slight extra advantage over the already impressive Dogtooth. But by giving him the same Luffy also needs to overcome that again.
It doesn't add much because it's pretty much the least fleshed out ability in the series. If there was more to it than knocking out fodder, it would change every speculation we make. It's way too common and way too underwelming.
If I had creative input, I'd have it let you share some of their own strength and skills, like CoO and CoA. It'd be even better if they could share their own DF fruits with their allies. Think about how game-changing that could be. If Whitebeard had been able to give all of his crew the power of the Gura Gura, every swing could've made a staggering shockwave. Marineford would have been an overwhelming slaughter. Unfortunately, I can't figure out how to apply this to a lot of the other DFs. How the hell would giving your allies Gomu Gomu powers help?
 

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Great chapter, a whole 15 pages dedicated to this fight, just what i've been waiting for.
Honestly Katakuri's Conqueror's Haki felt...unnecessary. He's already a powerhouse.
Yeah the CoC was not needed, he already has awesome haki in other departments. Oda is way too generous with 1 in a million ability. Boa, Doffy, Chinjao, Dogtooth.

Do they really all need CoC ? I wish it was a little bit more special. At this point every big shot in the New World has it which kinda defeats the purpose of having it in the first place.
I disagree, I think it makes all the sense in the world and for the exact same reasons you're pointing out. It makes far less sense for Dogtooth to have not the KD than the opposite.

It already has been properly explained in the series, but the ones who are able to reach the New World are the ones that are left after 90% of the others got weeded out. With other words they're the elite and all of them converge on the same place, an extremely hostile place. Even the people who are born there are unusually strong so that they could survive: the samurai of Wano, the Minks of Zou, the giants of Elbaf, even Dressrosa can be considered outrageous on the account of them somehow being able to avoid war for centuries in an environment like that while producing gladiators who gained fame far and wide.

Yes the KD is extraordinary rare, it's just that the majority of the ones who have it or could have it can be found in the same spot and that these are guys the Strawhats have to pass if they want to reach the end. Don Chinjao made this perfectly clear during his fight with Luffy: KD on itself is not enough as the New World has most likely the highest concentration of people who have the KD in the world, many of which who have the same goal as him.

Dogtooth is the strongest member of a Yonkou's crew, meaning the only ones higher than him are the Yonkou. He is pretty much in a league of his own. That alone makes it justifiable and almost mandatory that he has the KD, which would also explain why he is such a powerhouse. I mean you can just as easy turn your reasonings the other way around. Same thing with that it would make it lose its purpose. How would it make sense that Luffy, who has the KD, would have to go above and beyond to beat people who are apparently just strong? Now that makes the KD pointless as apparently you can reach the same level without it.

Truth be told it's almost imperative that Dogtooth has the KD. Tell me what do you think will have the most impact? A king beating a minion or a king beating a king? I mean did occur to you that the main reason Dogtooth's Haki is so strong, is because he has the KD? That causality of your arguments is very questionable and you can be almost certain that the other Yonkou have the KD and at least one other person in their crew who have it too.
 

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It's kinda weird to see so many say it makes sense Kata has Conq in the new world when I remember people acting like me saying a lot more people in the NW should have armament haki was blasphemy.
I hope you're not talking about the Ace discussions because wow, what a horribly inaccurate comparison.
 

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LuLuLuLuLuLuLuLuLuLuLuLuLuLuLuLuLuLuLuLuLuLuLuLuLuLuLuLuLuLuLuLuffy Senpai! soshte Katakuri senpai!!! Gloriousl!
Haoshoku no Haki makes a return and in such a badass way......Leave it to Oda sensie to spice things up just when I thought it was getting stale!
 

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So far there are 9 people with CoC. Should this be related to world population of +9 million people? I wonder what is the number of global population if it has something to do with CoC.

Shanks
Luffy
Hancock
Whitebeard
Ace
Doffy
Chinjao
Big Mom
Katakuri
More incoming.. maybe every arc nw will have 2-3 people having coc
 

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So far there are 9 people with CoC. Should this be related to world population of +9 million people? I wonder what is the number of global population if it has something to do with CoC.

Shanks
Luffy
Hancock
Whitebeard
Ace
Doffy
Chinjao
Big Mom
Katakuri
You forget Rayleigh and Whitebeard
 
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Wow, what a horribly inaccurate comparison.
If you say so, I still don't see how it makes less or more sense that conq haki users collect in the new world but Logia's who survive in the new world(a place said to eat logia rookies who are overconfident in their powers) aren't likely to have Haki. But as I said I'm not talking solely about Ace, I mean people like the Shichibukai, people were acting like Jinbei, Kuma, Croc or Moriah shouldn't-wouldn't/won't have armament haki, or people like Magellan who are responsible for guarding the most dangerous.

You derailed the thread a bit focusing on Ace but you can see between the two there's a bit of upper level characters people thought had no haki.


Arm. Haki should be even more common in the NW then Conq. Haki. yet we had pirates who sailed through the NW who hadn't shown arm. haki when we saw them.

More incoming.. maybe every arc nw will have 2-3 people having coc
We should expect each Yonkou captain and at least 1 member per crew. We should expect at least 1 marine will have by EOS. Mihawk will likely display it as well for his duels with Shanks to hold any real weight because if Shanks hasn't been using all his skills in their duels then what's the title mean? Assuming the Gorosei actually become villains to fight I expect at least one of them.
 
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