Should We Define "Villain" / "Villainy"?

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Some people just label individuals (whether real or fictional characters) as villains. But what is a villain? Think randomly from real history of individuals, comic books, video games to movies/TV-shows. Name some. Not groups. Just individuals.

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Well in fiction (video game/movie/anime/etc) it's pretty easy to define what a "villain" is - someone who opposes the "hero" (aka: the Antagonist). In real life however it's a little harder to define as the word "villain" then becomes more of a term that can be applied to a wide variety of situations. Though I suppose the situation you're most likely referring to in a real-world scenario is probably a scenario where the term "villain" would be applied to a person(s) who commits crime.
 

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Well in fiction (video game/movie/anime/etc) it's pretty easy to define what a "villain" is - someone who opposes the "hero" (aka: the Antagonist). In real life however it's a little harder to define as the word "villain" then becomes more of a term that can be applied to a wide variety of situations. Though I suppose the situation you're most likely referring to in a real-world scenario is probably a scenario where the term "villain" would be applied to a person(s) who commits crime.
Can be there someone commits crimes like murdering people for no reason?
 

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Can be there someone commits crimes like murdering people for no reason?
You're implying that there aren't already people like that. People in real life don't always need tragic backstories to do things - there are already countless cases of serial killings where the murderer claimed not to have any specific reasoning.
 

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You're implying that there aren't already people like that. People in real life don't always need tragic backstories to do things - there are already countless cases of serial killings where the murderer claimed not to have any specific reasoning.
I'm not implying at all. Just wanna make sure if there is or not. However, if there is a murderer claimed no reason, should that describe someone as a villain? Or is the best description is lunatic? Should the word villain be given only to individuals who have reasons? I mean, is villainy related to reasons?
 
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Well, people argue if people were villains or not but people see Trump as a villain, I would say Hitler was a villain.
The system is a villain xD.
F the system.

Villains can only be said in movies/games/animes/shows
I have seen people on twitter calling Trump a villain, literally.
 

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Here are my examples of some movie and anime villains, based on my choices you can get an idea of what a word 'villain' means to me:
Joker
Hannibal Lecter
Norman Bates
Voldemort
Dracula
John Doe (Seven)
Buffalo Bill
Gremlins
Light Yagami
Pain

To name a few
 

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I think villains are anyone who acts in opposition to all that is good and represents the worse aspects of humanity. It's only recently in the 21st century that the term "heroes" and "villains" have been relegated to comic books, and movies, but the concept of the hero (order, the ideal good) and the villain (choas, all that oppose humanity) have been as old as civilization.

The first proto-villains humans mentally conjured up were symbolic of things in nature that presented a threat to human survival; from the animal kingdom, giant beasts, serpents, and dragons, from the nighttime, shadows, and ghouls, and from the weather, deities, divine entities, and spirits. Those threats were eventually inbedded into our cultures as myths, legends, and religions, with those who stood against the forces of choas (think Horus, Odysseus, Christ) placed as Gods and heroes, and those who embodied choas and behaviors that were either detrimental to humanity akin to the beasts of nature where placed as villains (think "Serpent in Eden" Satan)
.

Humans who embodied attributes of those evil archetypal figures of legend were also titled villains. Vlad the Impaler, Ivan the Terrible, Pol Pot, Hitler and Stalin, etc. I think because of how hero and villain archetypes have become relegated to media entertainment in the form of comic books, and movies and manga, rather than great epic stories that embody the human condition is why the term villain has become colloquialized.

For example, when someone calls Trump a villain, it is because to them, he embodies the archetype of the tyrant, but when most people envision a tyrant, they see Skeletor, or Darth Vader -- Thanos, or Freiza. They don't think of real tyrants like Ivan the Terrible, otherwise they wouldnt be relegating the title of villain to a U.S. president. Even an honest comparison of Trump to Hitler is embarrassingly naive. I dont think villain needs to be defined or redefined, I just think society is in a really bad place right now.



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After dwelling on it for a while, I think I know what the issue is. The archetype of the villain of the past sought to bring choas to order and tyranny (organized evil) to freedom, whereas the hero of the past sought to bring order to choas and liberate those under tyranny. I think that dichotomy has been reduced to liberty vs tyranny. In today's society, heroes are only seen as liberators whereas anyone that attempts to bring order is tyrannical, regardless of whether they're a hero or villain.

Ex. People identify with the aspects of Christ that symbolize liberty in the form of redemption (freedom from the burden of sin), but see aspects of him that symbolize order in the form of reenforcing the laws of God as tyrannical.

Here's a better example; Pope Francis embodies liberty with his stances on homosexuality, migration, etc., while ignoring his duties of bringing order to choas, which is why he's easily the most idolized and popular pope in recent times. If he embodied the archetypal hero of old who brought both liberation and order, he would be seen as a tyrant.
 
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Here are my examples of some movie and anime villains, based on my choices you can get an idea of what a word 'villain' means to me:
Joker
Hannibal Lecter
Norman Bates
Voldemort
Dracula
John Doe (Seven)
Buffalo Bill
Gremlins
Light Yagami
Pain

To name a few
Light Yagami is more an anti-hero than a villain.

OT: Collins dictionary:

Word forms:*villains

1.*countable noun

A*villain*is someone who deliberately*harms*other people or*breaks*the law in order to*get*what he or she*wants.

2.*countable noun

The*villain*in a novel, film, or play is the main*badcharacter.

So it's easy, the word is for real life too, we can worry about it:sweat:
 

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Light Yagami is more an anti-hero than a villain.

OT: Collins dictionary:

Word forms:*villains

1.*countable noun

A*villain*is someone who deliberately*harms*other people or*breaks*the law in order to*get*what he or she*wants.

2.*countable noun

The*villain*in a novel, film, or play is the main*badcharacter.

So it's easy, the word is for real life too, we can worry about it:sweat:
About Yagami, I see your point, it's yes and no.
According to the dictionary, villain is someone who choses to go the evil/dark/criminal route to satisfy his/her bad intentions.
 

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Some people just label individuals (whether real or fictional characters) as villains. But what is a villain? Think randomly from real history of individuals, comic books, video games to movies/TV-shows. Name some. Not groups. Just individuals.

Real Life
Manga
Video games
Movies / TV-shows
A villian is mainly someone who does evil things and serves an important role in a "plot".

Real life, there are no villians, and no villian would be important. These people are self-entitled and have convinced themselves that what they're doing is necessary. If there were villians, most people would be villians...just with the "important" part crossed out...lmao.


Manga(comic)/Video games/Movies- Charles Xavier- he may have seemingly "good intentions ", but what he's doing is called "interference" and extorting through use of tons of psychology...meddlesome and incredibly pushy. Sort of mentally manipulative. There's even a comic issue where he used the X-mens minds against them to do his bidding...may have been for a bigger purpose, but he certainly over-stepped his boundaries. And he does that. Super manipulative.
 

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I'm not implying at all. Just wanna make sure if there is or not. However, if there is a murderer claimed no reason, should that describe someone as a villain? Or is the best description is lunatic? Should the word villain be given only to individuals who have reasons? I mean, is villainy related to reasons?
A lunatic who is killing and harming people with no legit justifications is definitely a villain- his reasons is his own deranged mental state. He has to be treated like one to save others from being hurt by him and remove/separate him from the rest of the society.

Sometimes there is a clear villain. but it can be a subjective term in another case. Some villains find some kind of popular justification or seemingly reasonable enough excuse for a time and maybe hailed as heroes by one faction at least or by some individuals. But then we need to take a few steps back to see larger picture and results of their actions- whether they were more guided by selfishness, narcissism or personal gratification of their own etc or did their actions did more good than harm. Where does their Karma tilt in the end. Sometimes it takes a few decades to centuries before people can really see what their "heroes" were really up to and why they are hated in other lands.

I think villains are anyone who acts in opposition to all that is good and represents the worse aspects of humanity. It's only recently in the 21st century that the term "heroes" and "villains" have been relegated to comic books, and movies, but the concept of the hero (order, the ideal good) and the villain (choas, all that oppose humanity) have been as old as civilization.

The first proto-villains humans mentally conjured up were symbolic of things in nature that presented a threat to human survival; from the animal kingdom, giant beasts, serpents, and dragons, from the nighttime, shadows, and ghouls, and from the weather, deities, divine entities, and spirits. Those threats were eventually inbedded into our cultures as myths, legends, and religions, with those who stood against the forces of choas (think Horus, Odysseus, Christ) placed as Gods and heroes, and those who embodied choas and behaviors that were either detrimental to humanity akin to the beasts of nature where placed as villains (think "Serpent in Eden" Satan)
.

Humans who embodied attributes of those evil archetypal figures of legend were also titled villains. Vlad the Impaler, Ivan the Terrible, Pol Pot, Hitler and Stalin, etc. I think because of how hero and villain archetypes have become relegated to media entertainment in the form of comic books, and movies and manga, rather than great epic stories that embody the human condition is why the term villain has become colloquialized.

For example, when someone calls Trump a villain, it is because to them, he embodies the archetype of the tyrant, but when most people envision a tyrant, they see Skeletor, or Darth Vader -- Thanos, or Freiza. They don't think of real tyrants like Ivan the Terrible, otherwise they wouldnt be relegating the title of villain to a U.S. president. Even an honest comparison of Trump to Hitler is embarrassingly naive. I dont think villain needs to be defined or redefined, I just think society is in a really bad place right now.



EDIT:

After dwelling on it for a while, I think I know what the issue is. The archetype of the villain of the past sought to bring choas to order and tyranny (organized evil) to freedom, whereas the hero of the past sought to bring order to choas and liberate those under tyranny. I think that dichotomy has been reduced to liberty vs tyranny. In today's society, heroes are only seen as liberators whereas anyone that attempts to bring order is tyrannical, regardless of whether they're a hero or villain.

Ex. People identify with the aspects of Christ that symbolize liberty in the form of redemption (freedom from the burden of sin), but see aspects of him that symbolize order in the form of reenforcing the laws of God as tyrannical.

Here's a better example; Pope Francis embodies liberty with his stances on homosexuality, migration, etc., while ignoring his duties of bringing order to choas, which is why he's easily the most idolized and popular pope in recent times. If he embodied the archetypal hero of old who brought both liberation and order, he would be seen as a tyrant.
That's really good point you raised there.

Light Yagami is more an anti-hero than a villain.

OT: Collins dictionary:

Word forms:*villains

1.*countable noun

A*villain*is someone who deliberately*harms*other people or*breaks*the law in order to*get*what he or she*wants.

2.*countable noun

The*villain*in a novel, film, or play is the main*badcharacter.

So it's easy, the word is for real life too, we can worry about it:sweat:
Light Yagami fullfills both conditions:

A*villain*is someone who deliberately*harms*other people or*breaks*the law in order to*get*what he or she*wants. ☑

The*villain*in a novel, film, or play is the main*badcharacter. ☑

Though initially he convinces himself that he is doing it to remove evil from the world, he starts with breaking laws and it takes very little and very short time for him to turn in to a manipulative self centered person who deliberately harms other people to get what he wants- his way. Even if they are good innocent people- it doesn't matter. Life of others is not that important to him as long as he gets to live and continue to use the deathnote as he wants.

He is the main bad character- even his own family members are used and manipulated and dispensable if it benefits him in setting himself as a God.
 
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