Black Zetsu manipulating weak minded Uchiha raises the question

[unknownvillain1254]

Why are the Uchiha so easy to manipulate? Despite their power and being genjutsu experts, they are really easy to exploit.


Black Zetsu managed to manipulate Indra and Madara.

Orchestrated the events to destabilize any chance of peace the clan had due to the tablet being changed.

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Zetsu basically made the uchiha his tools since their creation.


Then there’s:

Danzo manipulating Itachi

Itachi manipulating Sasuke

It is very simple Indra recarnation are very power hungry and emotionally unstable too bad characteristics when you're the leader of the clan and look to for guidance

 

[unknownvillain1254]

this is false. read chapter 625. Madara tried to convince them peace was unattainable but they denied him in favor of Konoha. what caused the unrest was the village's distrust and prejudice towards them, beginning with Tobirama. this eventually led to the attempted coup against Konoha (but even here some Uchiha disagreed, such as Shisui and Itachi) not to mention Black Zetsu fooled non-Uchiha as well

so yeah, it's not as simple as "Uchiha are weak-minded and easy to manipulate", that isn't true ^^

No was the cause and the death of his own clan

 

[whiteboy2345]

Zetsu claims to have manipulated multiple Senju. In fact, most Uchiha's weren't manipulated by Black Zetsu at all. He merely edited their tablet but at most his direct influence only touched a handful of people.

His manipulation wasn't even easy to see through. The Uchiha aren't stupid, they saw through Tobirama's plan to leash them through the Police Force. Black Zetsu's manipulation was on a different level, where had centuries to plan.

 

[whiteboy2345]

It is very simple Indra recarnation are very power hungry and emotionally unstable too bad characteristics when you're the leader of the clan and look to for guidance

The Uchiha are considered his eventual descendants, we can only assume that one of Indra's descendants formed the clan when they realized they could make money off of their Sharingan.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Zetsu claims to have manipulated multiple Senju. In fact, most Uchiha's weren't manipulated by Black Zetsu at all. He merely edited their tablet but at most his direct influence only touched a handful of people.

His manipulation wasn't even easy to see through. The Uchiha aren't stupid, they saw through Tobirama's plan to leash them through the Police Force. Black Zetsu's manipulation was on a different level, where had centuries to plan.

No, The only ppl he manipulated in the Senju were the transmigrants. Where as he flat out stated he used the entire uchiha clan as his cast. Either Way History is not favorable to them, as the op points hot how time and time again they easily sway to the thoughts of others.

 

[unknownvillain1254]

The Uchiha are considered his eventual descendants, we can only assume that one of Indra's descendants formed the clan when they realized they could make money off of their Sharingan.

No I'm pretty sure they became a clan because they are family and they need protection pretty simple

 

[unknownvillain1254]

this is false. read chapter 625. Madara tried to convince them peace was unattainable but they denied him in favor of Konoha. what caused the unrest was the village's distrust and prejudice towards them, beginning with Tobirama. this eventually led to the attempted coup against Konoha (but even here some Uchiha disagreed, such as Shisui and Itachi) not to mention Black Zetsu fooled non-Uchiha as well

so yeah, it's not as simple as "Uchiha are weak-minded and easy to manipulate", that isn't true ^^

Being the police is not what got them killed what got them kill was a rogue Ninja.

Take out Obito and Madara and they would be still alive and highly praised in the village

 

[salamander uchiha]

No, The only ppl he manipulated in the Senju were the transmigrants. Where as he flat out stated he used the entire uchiha clan as his cast. Either Way History is not favorable to them, as the op points hot how time and time again they easily sway to the thoughts of others.

Nah bro he says he chose the Uchiha clan, then even after that he started to approach transmigrants of both clans. It's not really hard to understand he's reffering to transmigrants.

this is false. read chapter 625. Madara tried to convince them peace was unattainable but they denied him in favor of Konoha. what caused the unrest was the village's distrust and prejudice towards them, beginning with Tobirama. this eventually led to the attempted coup against Konoha (but even here some Uchiha disagreed, such as Shisui and Itachi) not to mention Black Zetsu fooled non-Uchiha as well

so yeah, it's not as simple as "Uchiha are weak-minded and easy to manipulate", that isn't true ^^

These are the facts of the manga.

 

[Queen of Bananas]

edgy emo personalities.

 

[Uverdore9]

An uchiha manipulated the third Sage of the Six paths. Just remember That.

 

[To Whatever]

An uchiha manipulated the third Sage of the Six paths. Just remember That.

That same uchiha also manipulated other uchiha and he himself was manipulated by another uchiha.

 

[Uverdore9]

That same uchiha also manipulated other uchiha and he himself was manipulated by another uchiha.

Uchihas win then.

 

[MightGai]

He was revived as edo tensei and he still didn’t know when he revealed his chest to Hashirama. And Madara bit him when he was alive.
The point is, is that it’s easier to obtain the tissue of a senju than it is the kekkai genkai of a Uchiha (requires both eyes and blood of the clan).

Again, Madara was thought dead, why would he care about what happened in that battle?.

Actually it requires only the eyes, since it already contains dna/blood/whatever of the uchiha.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Again, Madara was thought dead, why would he care about what happened in that battle?.

Again this is the second time repeating myself. Madara bit his tissue off before he was killed and Hashirama did not know Madara bit his arm. So he didn’t die yet, Hashirama wasn’t even certain that he’ll make it out alive yet let alone land a striking blow. It was at the point of deadlock that he stole a piece of muscle tissue yet he never knew. Then he died later after the fact.

Actually it requires only the eyes, since it already contains dna/blood/whatever of the uchiha.

No it doesn’t work like that. Read part 1 zabuza arc. Uchiha kekkai genkai requires both the doujutsu and blood of the Uchiha otherwise Kakashi would’ve broke out of itachi’s tsukuyomi with no problem. There is no such thing as eyes containing blood whatever that is. There’s a reason why Kakashi was limited since part 1 when it comes to wielding the sharingan and he repeated time and time again that it stemmed from him not being of Uchiha blood.

 

[Uverdore9]

Again this is the second time repeating myself. Madara bit his tissue off before he was killed and Hashirama did not know Madara bit his arm. So he didn’t die yet, Hashirama wasn’t even certain that he’ll make it out alive yet let alone land a striking blow. It was at the point of deadlock that he stole a piece of muscle tissue yet he never knew. Then he died later after the fact.


No it doesn’t work like that. Read part 1 zabuza arc. Uchiha kekkai genkai requires both the doujutsu and blood of the Uchiha otherwise Kakashi would’ve broke out of itachi’s tsukuyomi with no problem. There is no such thing as eyes containing blood whatever that is. There’s a reason why Kakashi was limited since part 1 when it comes to wielding the sharingan and he repeated time and time again that it stemmed from him not being of Uchiha blood.

Itachi never said Tsukuyomi can be broken by blood, he said only some one who has the same blood as him can defeat him. Tsukuyomi which controls matter, space, time cannot be broken.

 

[MightGai]

Again this is the second time repeating myself. Madara bit his tissue off before he was killed and Hashirama did not know Madara bit his arm. So he didn’t die yet, Hashirama wasn’t even certain that he’ll make it out alive yet let alone land a striking blow. It was at the point of deadlock that he stole a piece of muscle tissue yet he never knew. Then he died later after the fact.


No it doesn’t work like that. Read part 1 zabuza arc. Uchiha kekkai genkai requires both the doujutsu and blood of the Uchiha...

- For the third time, Hashirama won and thought Madara was dead, why would he care what madara did or did not in battle?

- Baseless fanfic, specially when we know that kakashi evolved his sharingan to MS without any "Uchiha Blood" or whatever. The Kekkei Genkai of the Uchiha is simply the Sharingan, and we have seen more than once that you don't need to be or have "Uchiha Blood" to actually use the dojutsu (Kakashi, Danzo, Shin).

And actually, it's not because he wasn't of "Uchiha Blood" that he couldn't use the sharingan repeatedly, it's because his chakra reserves are low, he states that more than once and actually when he got rikudo power at the end, he was able to cast a PS like it was nothing, coupling that with Kamui and stuff. Also, while we're at it, Danzo used Izanagi like 5 times against Sasuke, more or less, and he's not Uchiha either. So no, "Uchiha Blood" is not required at all to use Sharingan.

 

[Brady]

No, The only ppl he manipulated in the Senju were the transmigrants. Where as he flat out stated he used the entire uchiha clan as his cast. Either Way History is not favorable to them, as the op points hot how time and time again they easily sway to the thoughts of others.

The entire clan was not his cast, however his most successful pawns were Uchiha's. Manipulating the entire clan would be impossible.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

The entire clan was not his cast, however his most successful pawns were Uchiha's. Manipulating the entire clan would be impossible.

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His Words>Your words

 

[Brady]

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His Words>Your words

Actions speak louder than words. His cast was Obito and Madara, the rest were oblivious and were untouched by Zetsu. The cast of a story are involved, the rest of the clan is not involved.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

- For the third time, Hashirama won and thought Madara was dead, why would he care what madara did or did not in battle?

Jesus Christ kid do you not read!? He didn't know even before he died. Assuming that he didn't care during battle is baseless and not an excuse! Even here

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Madara already bit his arm way before the last clash and Hashirama showed know knowledge prior to this scan. Even when revived as edo tensei he didn't know. Regardless of whatever you think Hashirama cared or not after Madara was dead, the manga showed that Hashirama never knew in the first place to even voice is concern about him taking his tissue or not. Not that hard to understand.

- Baseless fanfic, specially when we know that kakashi evolved his sharingan to MS without any "Uchiha Blood" or whatever. The Kekkei Genkai of the Uchiha is simply the Sharingan, and we have seen more than once that you don't need to be or have "Uchiha Blood" to actually use the dojutsu (Kakashi, Danzo, Shin).

Complete baseless fanfic logic here. I told you to read the manga and you refused to do that. So I'll make it easier and underline it for you:

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This should not be hard for you know. I showed you all the scans of uchiha blood and the definition directly from the manga on what a kekka genkai means and how an ordinary person like Kakashi utilize it because he's not of that blood line. Kekkai genkai literally means blood line trait. So this should be enough to put away that head canon on whatever you think about eyes transporting blood line traits fanfic.

And actually, it's not because he wasn't of "Uchiha Blood" that he couldn't use the sharingan repeatedly, it's because his chakra reserves are low, he states that more than once and actually when he got rikudo power at the end, he was able to cast a PS like it was nothing, coupling that with Kamui and stuff. Also, while we're at it, Danzo used Izanagi like 5 times against Sasuke, more or less, and he's not Uchiha either. So no, "Uchiha Blood" is not required at all to use Sharingan.

1. Kakashi didn't cast Ps like it was nothing because you need to read the fine print to understand what was going on.

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2. Danzo used izanagi multiple times because of senju dna, and he had no control over it. Izanagi is not purposed to be used multiple times like that. You cast it once and control it from there without needing to take a break.

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Danzo izanagi was incomplete as tobi said and he couldn't control the sharingan anymore once he lost the senju tissue.

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Funny part is that izanagi is a power of both uchiha and senju, you don't need a kekkai genkai to use it when you have a sharingan and senju powers inside of you to use the incomplete version.