[VS] Aokiji vs Big mom

[Sakazuki]

Yeah. Magma is rock subjected to heat, and thus is matter. Fire isn't matter, it's a chemical reaction. Here's my two cents worth: What actually IS Prometheus? Is he physically an actual star, or is he just fire animated by the Soru Soru, and as follow-up questions, what's his natural temperature, and how hot can actually he get?

If Prometheus is an actual star, Kuzan's F***ED.

Our sun has an an average surface temp of 5800 degrees Kelvin. That's a little under 10000 Fahrenheit. Magma's between 1300 and 2400 degrees. That means Kuzan can survive and even combat over 2000 F. But if he wants to definitively take out Big Mom's best weapon against him, he'd need to freeze the core.

That's not gonna happen. The core of our sun hits 27 MILLION Fahrenheit. Unless he can somehow break physics and operate at to absolute zero, he realistically can't win, assuming Big Mom has an actual star under her command.

If she doesn't, then I'd call it a toss-up.

If kuzan can reach sub zero he can freeze the sun. So stop with the what ifs

And BTW this is just a Manga. Not real life.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I wasn't just referring to the multiple attacks from the cannons and swords but multiple attacks from the admirals including a heart and face shot. They may not have been able to devote 100% of their attention to him the entire length but that doesn't indicate they didn't give their all when they hit him like when Akainu went for his head.

They didn't. Four attacks from Admirals "landed" on Whitebeard. One was Aokiji's Ice Ball, which didn't do damage and seems to be weaker than Aokiji's other moves. Kizaru shot him with a single beam, and we know he can do better than that beam(Even Urouge and Hawkins could take the same beam before being defeated). Akainu burnt off the side of his head and an ear, and punched him in the cehst. No, we do not know he got to his heart.

The same scenarios with the Admirals not holding back=WB defeated much faster.

Yeah. Magma is rock subjected to heat, and thus is matter. Fire isn't matter, it's a chemical reaction. Here's my two cents worth: What actually IS Prometheus? Is he physically an actual star, or is he just fire animated by the Soru Soru, and as follow-up questions, what's his natural temperature, and how hot can actually he get?

If Prometheus is an actual star, Kuzan's F***ED.

Our sun has an an average surface temp of 5800 degrees Kelvin. That's a little under 10000 Fahrenheit. Magma's between 1300 and 2400 degrees. That means Kuzan can survive and even combat over 2000 F. But if he wants to definitively take out Big Mom's best weapon against him, he'd need to freeze the core.

That's not gonna happen. The core of our sun hits 27 MILLION Fahrenheit. Unless he can somehow break physics and operate at to absolute zero, he realistically can't win, assuming Big Mom has an actual star under her command.

If she doesn't, then I'd call it a toss-up.

Promotheus is just fire.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

By current feats - Aokiji. He should easily be able to freeze and dispose of Zeus given its a cloud (condensed water vapor). Lava is canonically superior to fire, and prometheus has no feats that warrant it being able to come even close to matching Aokiji's logia abilities. He's vastly more mobile, and can freeze down to the bone with a single touch. I don't see how Big Mom even contends with her current showing.

By hype - Big Mom. I firmly believe that Yonko should be superior to Admirals.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Hitsugaya new bankai vs prometheus ?

Prometheus. Even though we don't have a clear measurement on big mam's heat level but Hitsugaya's weakness is intense heat. Before the captain commander released his bankai, Hitsugaya's bankai already melted so what's stopping prometheus from doing the same thing?
When it comes to fire vs ice it all depends on the power behind the element. If the fire is too weak then the ice would snuff the smaller flame but if the fire is of equal flames and or bigger than the ice, then the fire would turn the ice into a puddle.

And Kuzan's ice feats are better than Hitsugaya's in my opinion because the best thing a mature Hitsugaya did was freeze a quincy giant...Temporarily while Kuzan froze half a island.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Yeah. Magma is rock subjected to heat, and thus is matter. Fire isn't matter, it's a chemical reaction. Here's my two cents worth: What actually IS Prometheus? Is he physically an actual star, or is he just fire animated by the Soru Soru, and as follow-up questions, what's his natural temperature, and how hot can actually he get?

If Prometheus is an actual star, Kuzan's F***ED.

Our sun has an an average surface temp of 5800 degrees Kelvin. That's a little under 10000 Fahrenheit. Magma's between 1300 and 2400 degrees. That means Kuzan can survive and even combat over 2000 F. But if he wants to definitively take out Big Mom's best weapon against him, he'd need to freeze the core.

That's not gonna happen. The core of our sun hits 27 MILLION Fahrenheit. Unless he can somehow break physics and operate at to absolute zero, he realistically can't win, assuming Big Mom has an actual star under her command.

If she doesn't, then I'd call it a toss-up.

Prometheus is just ordinary fire but no one on earth possesses enough stellar power to match the sun and yet Ace went through Kuzan's ice despite the fact that Ace is weaker than him.

 

[Sakazuki]

Prometheus. Even though we don't have a clear measurement on big mam's heat level but Hitsugaya's weakness is intense heat. Before the captain commander released his bankai, Hitsugaya's bankai already melted so what's stopping prometheus from doing the same thing?
When it comes to fire vs ice it all depends on the power behind the element. If the fire is too weak then the ice would snuff the smaller flame but if the fire is of equal flames and or bigger than the ice, then the fire would turn the ice into a puddle.

And Kuzan's ice feats are better than Hitsugaya's in my opinion because the best thing a mature Hitsugaya did was freeze a quincy giant...Temporarily while Kuzan froze half a island.

Because hitsugayaa new bankai let's him instantaneously freeze any one thing in the universe and than he has to wait so long and than he can freeze any one thing again

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Because hitsugayaa new bankai let's him instantaneously freeze any one thing in the universe and than he has to wait so long and than he can freeze any one thing again

It can't freeze already existing intense heat though and the universe thing is exaggerated. Do you believe that he can freeze the Captain commander's bankai that he claimed to 15 million degrees? (quincys doubt it is that hot)

 

[Love Cook]

Just to throw this into the mix, but didn't Luffy try to punch Prometheus with haki and wasn't he unable to hit him regardless ? He even quoted something along the lines of I'm not logia I'm pure fire with a soul ?

That would present another problem for everyone who fights these homies because they can't be hit or contained. The only thing that worked so far were Brooks' soul based attacks.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Just to throw this into the mix, but didn't Luffy try to punch Prometheus with haki and wasn't he unable to hit him regardless ? He even quoted something along the lines of I'm not logia I'm pure fire with a soul ?

That would present another problem for everyone who fights these homies because they can't be hit or contained. The only thing that worked so far were Brooks' soul based attacks.

Jinbei attacked him with water, which hurt Promotheus. According to Jinbei, this is because he's just a mass of condensed fire. Aokiji's ice apparently can neutralize fire, so it should work on Promotheus as well.

 

[Sakazuki]

It can't freeze already existing intense heat though and the universe thing is exaggerated. Do you believe that he can freeze the Captain commander's bankai that he claimed to 15 million degrees? (quincys doubt it is that hot)

Well captain commanders bankai erased anything it touched out of existence. That's why ywach couldn't fight and win with the almighty. He had to use a clone. Because even if he could change the future. Once you're erased out of existence you're erased out of existence lmao

 

[Sakazuki]

Jinbei attacked him with water, which hurt Promotheus. According to Jinbei, this is because he's just a mass of condensed fire. Aokiji's ice apparently can neutralize fire, so it should work on Promotheus as well.

Oh yeah, he hated that water.. Lmao

Just to throw this into the mix, but didn't Luffy try to punch Prometheus with haki and wasn't he unable to hit him regardless ? He even quoted something along the lines of I'm not logia I'm pure fire with a soul ?

That would present another problem for everyone who fights these homies because they can't be hit or contained. The only thing that worked so far were Brooks' soul based attacks.

Maybe only elemental based attacks works?

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Well captain commanders bankai erased anything it touched out of existence. That's why ywach couldn't fight and win with the almighty. He had to use a clone. Because even if he could change the future. Once you're erased out of existence you're erased out of existence lmao

It doesn't exactly erases everything (He said he blows everything away) it's just scorching hot flames sealed into his blade because of intense heat due to overwhelming reitsu. It was even compared to hellfire. The clone thing was his twin brother i think.
Regardless it still proves that heat burns ice so Prometheus burn's Kuzan's ice just as easily as Ace burns Kuzan's ice. Nothing stupid as ice "neutralizing" fire because that shit doesn't even happen in real life or in any manga from what we've seen.

 

[Sarkies]

Mom Big high diff

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In actuality Captain Bellamy solos the verse.

 

[MickNerks]

I would give this to Big Mom with High Diff.

I don't see ice being much of a problem for

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and the form she has when

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. She also has Aerial Advantages and a far Larger Arsenal than Aokiji. I see her having more oppurtunities to defeat him than he has to defeat her.

Jinbei attacked him with water, which hurt Promotheus. According to Jinbei, this is because he's just a mass of condensed fire. Aokiji's ice apparently can neutralize fire, so it should work on Promotheus as well.

It was stated yesterday that Ocean water was not enough to defeat or hurt Prometheus when he is in his larger form.
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[Punk Hazard]

I would give this to Big Mom with High Diff.

I don't see ice being much of a problem for

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and the form she has when

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. She also has Aerial Advantages and a far Larger Arsenal than Aokiji. I see her having more oppurtunities to defeat him than he has to defeat her.




It was stated yesterday that Ocean water was not enough to defeat or hurt Prometheus when he is in his larger form.
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Of course Jinbei can't do shit. He's only been shown to be able to manipulate so much ocean water. Aokiji on the other hand has been shown to be able to casually create more ice than Promotheus is large.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I would give this to Big Mom with High Diff.

I don't see ice being much of a problem for

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and the form she has when

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. She also has Aerial Advantages and a far Larger Arsenal than Aokiji. I see her having more oppurtunities to defeat him than he has to defeat her.




It was stated yesterday that Ocean water was not enough to defeat or hurt Prometheus when he is in his larger form.
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I loved how this chapter just proved my point even more. The ocean wasn't able to extinguish the flame, of course aokiji cannot generate as much ice as the part of the ocean big mam and co. were sailing. Even against Ace he wasn't able to rely on a body of water for help because Ace melted that thing into water vapor.

Well, at least these are for those who can't get it through their heads that a yonkou>admiral.

 

[arv993]

Of course Jinbei can't do shit. He's only been shown to be able to manipulate so much ocean water. Aokiji on the other hand has been shown to be able to casually create more ice than Promotheus is large.

Lol yea I’m sure you’re right, ppl of doffys tier broke out of aokijis ice with relative ease but BM and Prometheus can’t handle ice. And great logic larger always = more powerful. Best logic on the base right here

 

[Uverdore9]

Aokiji. His ice defeats fire.

 

[Love Cook]

Aokiji. His ice defeats fire.

How exactly does ice defeat fire ?

 

[Uverdore9]

How exactly does ice defeat fire ?

Oda logic.