Go watch anime. Canon dialogues are not changed so you can trust that. Viz is not that correct anyway I can point out 10 mistakes they have done in translating this far. Zetsu said "Kekkei genkai...." in anime. Go hear it if you dont believe. Viz is wrong. And it doesnt even make sense as the meaning of kekkei mora is bloodline encompassing but suddenly only yinyang and basic elements are part of its composition? Cmon thats baseless statement right there.
what does it take for Byakugan to surpass sharingan???????
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We won't be getting anywhere going back and forth like this lol. i would agree with you but Kaguya's Byakugan listed as a Kekkei Mora has no differing qualities inferior or superior to Hyuga Byakugan to show us KKM is anything other than a name. And you also told me KKM can't be inherited yet the Hyuga have it. And no, your 'outside ,inside' argument doesn't hold weight.
These facts alone with regards to the byakugan is only going to leave us arguing semantics with respect to the KKM term so i'm done lol
lol.. You read/speak Japanese?
But Im wondering why kaguya couldnt differentiate the clones and how she fell for the transformation jutsu which wouldnt be possible if we look at the fact byakugan only sees the insides of the body with x-ray vision.
Ok since I have no proof I will concede on byakugan part. Lets assume they are the same. Which doesnt make sense but lets assume. But even then how is kaguyas 80 gods attack feat applicable to hyuga clan? The attack is KKM which we know is the combination of bloodlines. As BZ said her Kekkei mora TSB is combination of all kekkei genkais. And we know byakugan doesnt give offenses of any kind. Gentle fist is a learned jutsu not a KKG inherited through byakugan. So no matter the eye we still cant give hyuga clan the vacuum 80 gods technique as not only do they have no KKG jutsus they also dont have KKM jutsu to be capable of performing kaguyas jutsu. Even if the byakugan is same the techniques are not same.
I can understand it a bit after these many years of watching anime. Zetsu indeed said all kekkei genkais. Viz translation is known for messing up important translations which are the hallmark for the disagreements in future debates. I will give a few examples:
1) Itachi was called just "invincible" in viz translation but original japanese text which is the romaji says "hes completely invincible" and you can listen to what BZ says in the anime if you are doubting me. The japanese word used here is "Kazeni muketeki" which means absolutely invincible or completely invincible.
2) Kakashi when he was facing itachi in part 1 he said "Only a sharingan user can challenge itachi now" to kurenai and asuma.
But the original translation of japanese text and anime dialogue says "Most probably....only a sharingan user can face him now". Kakashi said the word "Ozoraku" which means "most likely" or "most probably". Minor mistakes like this destroy the entire debate regarding these semantics.
And if you look at it then it doesnt make sense in viz translation zetsu doesnt say kekkei mora but in other translations and in anime he says kekkei mora and "it includes all bloodlines/KKG..." so dont you think its strange only viz has this weird translation which even anime opposes? Kekkei mora means All KKG encompassing so that means the only definition should be "it contains all bloodlines" but rather viz says it contains all basic natures and shadow and light. That proves that translation is fake.
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Byakugan has multiple visions. One of them is normal vision too so Kaguya probably wasn't using the x-ray abilities of the eye at the time.
Hinata uses long distance viewing with normal vision then switches to one of the many forms of x-ray.
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After seeing narutos heartbeat was weakening she deactivated her byakugan. And hinata after awakening her byakugan could clearly only see his heart as kiba already told him the direction where naruto is. And every person has something called chakra signature which can be identified by byakugan as Ao realized danzo was using shisuis eye by recognizing shisuis chakra.
I know thats why I said first hinata asks where naruto is then kiba points out the direction then hinata sees the heart of naruto then after seeing it she deactivates her byakugan. Which means byakugan can only see inside while using x-ray.
Yes but not necessarily. Byakugan has numerous forms of x-ray [
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Byakugan users can control what type of vision they have and to what extent;
lol What was the comment?
Youve a point as always but another thing I want to point out is that kaguya was trying to figure out narutos true identity. Yet she couldnt. She was trying to figure out the real one and yet she failed.
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Hyuga byakugan can't tell the difference between Shadow clones either. [
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] That alone lends credence to the fact KKM is just a name. How can she have all KKG like you say yet her Byakugan has the same abilities down to the T of a Hyuga's own?Something about how Kaguya's byakugan is inferior to part 1 Neji's or so. :lol
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I deleted one that I posted by mistake I've already posted it.
If your confused what was in it, then it was dismissing Kaguya's kekkei Mora Byakugan via mangafacts, which I've already mentioned in this thread.
Of course with all the :salt:y fans who've been rustled over the last few days i was bound to get reported.
OT: The Byakugan is a different type of eye orientated towards a different type of combat. Over all benefit wise the Sharingan is better and it would take a lot of development for the Byakugan to rival the Sharingan.
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Now I understand why its called Kekkei Mora. Byakugan cannot differentiate clones but kaguyas byakugan can. I got proof. Look at this scan.
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Great find. I didn't know Madara's Byakugan that he had in the manga was able to differentiate shadow clones. And this:
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Kaguya clearly made the mistake even though Rinnesharingan was active. So that can only mean EMS Madara Dojutsu> Kaguya KKM Rinnesharingan and Byakugan.
lol seriously man.. stop trying to find faults where there aren't. You even went as far as bringing Madara's Sharingan as proof that Kaguya's byakugan can differentiate clones?
Sal chan.. Never relenting.
- Kishi says her dojutsu's are KKM. Salamander Uchiha of NB says its not true. I wonder who i'm meant to believe :lol
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That's a misunderstanding on your part, dissing is different to dismissing. I haven't once said that Kaguya's Byakugan isn't a Kekkei Mora.
In case your confused I'll confirm Kaguya's Byakugan is a Kekkei Mora.
The difference between dis and dismiss
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What?
But I'm sure you'll bring up something to deny this too. :lol
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My bad auto correct at its finest, anyway why would I deny it I was dismissing it's greatness. I didn't actually say it's not a kekkei Mora. Which part of the descriptive words(adjectives) say it's not a kekkei Mora? Or could you highlight the exact part where I said it's not a kekkei Mora?