Hashirama can't handle Kotoamatsukami

[Made in Heaven]

Kotoamatsukami has failed every time it's been used. Even if it could affect Hashirama, which it can't, it doesn't matter since Hashirama can kill Shisui before he can even use that technique.

 

[Yahcob13]

Shisui would burst a blood vessel in his eye trying to genjutsu Hashirama.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

If KA fails, then how did it work on Mifune in the Kage conference?
And Hashirama is without question, it will work on him it’s an absolute one-shot. Just because you have more chakra that doesn’t mean you’re not susceptible to things that will work on you.

Just because Kamui worked on Kaguya doesn’t mean Obito>Kaguya.

 

[Dremolite]

Hashirama cant handle kotoamatsukami. Its suicide for hashirama.

 

[Styles]

He'll get hit with it since they'll have no idea that they're effected by KA but if someone notices he'll then maybe be able to break free from it.

Kotoamatsukami has failed every time it's been used. Even if it could affect Hashirama, which it can't, it doesn't matter since Hashirama can kill Shisui before he can even use that technique.

KA been used 2x in canon and worked both times it was shown.

 

[Dremolite]

To the people who say koto will not work, be assured, it will work.

 

[Nerosmoke]

He'll get hit with it since they'll have no idea that they're effected by KA but if someone notices he'll then maybe be able to break free from it.

KA been used 2x in canon and worked both times it was shown.

I see a maybe in there. KA will 1 shot hashirama. the guy is dead for a reason. the 3rd Hokage was said to be the strongest ninja because he live the longest. longer then both the 1st and 2nd and 4th Hokage. also because he beat the 1st 2nd and 4th Hokages.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Kotoamatsukami has failed every time it's been used. Even if it could affect Hashirama, which it can't, it doesn't matter since Hashirama can kill Shisui before he can even use that technique.

Failed every time its been used? And Hashirama can kill Shisui before he looks at him?

He'll get hit with it since they'll have no idea that they're effected by KA but if someone notices he'll then maybe be able to break free from it.




KA been used 2x in canon and worked both times it was shown.

You can't break free from KA since it alters your mind/memories. You can be made aware your under it's effects by somebody else if you do something abnormal or something. Kabuto who could control the Edo bodies couldn't even break Itachi's chakra flow to over ride its effects. Or even when Itachi and Sasuke broke each otger our of Genjutsu the effects of KA still remained.

 

[Dremolite]

Failed every time its been used? And Hashirama can kill Shisui before he looks at him?

That is such a nonsense thought, completely fanboying and no common sense. Shisui is not being taken down by hashirama. KA will defeat hashirama in a second.

 

[Made in Heaven]

KA been used 2x in canon and worked both times it was shown.

It failed against Mifune thanks to Ao's Byakugan sensory, same would happen with Hashirama's Sage Mode sensory.

Itachi was able to defy it's mind control, meaning it isn't absolute or a guarantee in any way like you people have deluded yourselves into thinking. KA commanded Itachi to "protect the leaf" yet Itachi defied that command twice by first leaving Anko to die and by leaving Sasuke be despite Sasuke saying in front of Itachi he would destroy the leaf. Now you want to tell me Hashirama wouldn't be able to do the same in defying a command from KA?

KA is influence not complete mind control as shown by Itachi, and influences can be overcome.

Failed every time its been used? And Hashirama can kill Shisui before he looks at him?

Yep, read above.

No surprise you'd think Hashirama can't beat Shisui when you call Ootsutsukis weak.

You can't break free from KA since it alters your mind/memories.

BS.

You can be made aware your under it's effects by somebody else if you do something abnormal or something.

Or the influence isn't strong enough to control you.

Kabuto who could control the Edo bodies couldn't even break Itachi's chakra flow to over ride its effects. Or even when Itachi and Sasuke broke each otger our of Genjutsu the effects of KA still remained

Like I said above, KA influences, it doesn't control the minds/memories contrary to what your alternative facts may say. Now show me where Shisui has feats of influencing someone and being successful as opposed to getting his eyes ripped out.

Kabuto can override KA effects. He said so himself, chill with the fanfiction :lol

Kotoamatsukami
All-Ranges

The eye dominates consciousness changing what's in it's field of view into a puppet.

Uchiha Shisui's Mangekyo Sharingan utilizes the strongest Genjutsu. It exerts influence over the opponent, manipulating ones actions without them being cognizant of it. Victory can be obtained without causing a fight, a marvelous jutsu. Edo Tensei's bindings were overwritten by it's potency. The Sharingan Danzo snatched away from Shisui was used to manipulate Mifune, in-order to secretly dominate the gokage conference.

Kotoamatsukami was activated during the Gokage Conference.
It's progression was manipulated to the user's own benefit

 

[salamander uchiha]

- insert fan interpretation-

As usual, still waiting for you to show the evidence of why Kabuto somebody who controls the chakra flow of an Edo tensei wasn't able to negate it.

I'm still waiting for the scan that confirms Mifune broke his flow or that So broke his flow to free him from the Genjutsu.

 

[Made in Heaven]

As usual, still waiting for you to show the evidence of why Kabuto somebody who controls the chakra flow of an Edo tensei wasn't able to negate it.

I'm still waiting for the scan that confirms Mifune broke his flow or that So broke his flow to free him from the Genjutsu.

Like I said, keep your alternative facts to yourself. Kabuto doesn't control the Chakra flow of zombies. The simple proof of this is that zombies still can fight endlessly even if Kabuto were to die, as Itachi said, meaning they control their own Chakra, Kabuto can just command them or control their level of consciousness.

Anyways, let's just remember Itachi defied KA commands placed on him twice, so until you can show me where Shisui has feats of influencing ANYONE, let alone Hashirama, successfully as opposed to getting his eyes torn out, he's not doing anything to Hashirama.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Like I said, keep your alternative facts to yourself. Kabuto doesn't control the Chakra flow of zombies. The simple proof of this is that zombies still can fight endlessly even if Kabuto were to die, as Itachi said, meaning they control their own Chakra, Kabuto can just command them or control their level of consciousness.

LB ignoring facts as usual, he controls their bodies and makes them use jutsu when he likes or lwts them fight independently that has no bearing on fighting endlessly. If he was controlling their consciousness they wouldn't be able to advise their opponents on what to do.

Anyways, let's just remember Itachi defied KA commands placed on him twice, so until you can show me where Shisui has feats of influencing ANYONE, let alone Hashirama, successfully as opposed to getting his eyes torn out, he's not doing anything to Hashirama.

Itachi defied KA twice as expected nore fanfic from LB. Forgets it was KA's command that resulted in over riding Kabuto's ET control over him. And it was Itachi who programmed KA with the command so he's gully aware of it.

Now the scan of Mifune or another breaking his flow to negate KA's effects on him. In the only way so far that has been shown to avoid KA is for somebody to recognise it's effects by knowing about it and make you aware of it. Secondly Shisui was planning on using it on Fugaku and or the Uchiha clan to stop them from the coup. He wouldn't be using something that would be recognised as Genjutsu by the Uchiha. That's why your :salt: blinds you.

 

[Dremolite]

LB ignoring facts as usual, he controls their bodies and makes them use jutsu when he likes or lwts them fight independently that has no bearing on fighting endlessly. If he was controlling their consciousness they wouldn't be able to advise their opponents on what to do.



Itachi defied KA twice as expected nore fanfic from LB. Forgets it was KA's command that resulted in over riding Kabuto's ET control over him. And it was Itachi who programmed KA with the command so he's gully aware of it.

Now the scan of Mifune or another breaking his flow to negate KA's effects on him. In the only way so far that has been shown to avoid KA is for somebody to recognise it's effects by knowing about it and make you aware of it. Secondly Shisui was planning on using it on Fugaku and or the Uchiha clan to stop them from the coup. He wouldn't be using something that would be recognised as Genjutsu by the Uchiha. That's why your :salt: blinds you.

Its just common sense that Shisui has a powerful enough genjutsu to trap Hashirama.

 

[Made in Heaven]

LB ignoring facts as usual, he controls their bodies

Kabuto can choose how much restraint he has on the zombies as controlling all of them 100% is difficult for him.

and makes them use jutsu when he likes

They fight on autopilot, Kabuto isn't always in control 100%. This is shown with Madara, Hizashi, Asuma, Zabuza, and many others.

or lwts them fight independently that has no bearing on fighting endlessly.

If he was controlling their consciousness they wouldn't be able to advise their opponents on what to do.

Like I said, this is because controlling the sheer amount of zombies he has summoned forces him to let some of them retain a small amount of their free will.

Itachi defied KA twice as expected nore fanfic from LB.

KA command: Protect Konoha

Itachi: Leaves Konoha ninja on ground to die

Itachi: Let's Sasuke live despite saying he will destroy Konoha.

:lol

Forgets it was KA's command that resulted in over riding Kabuto's ET control over him.

Which has nothing to do with Itachi defying KA's command and going against it's influence.

And it was Itachi who programmed KA with the command so he's gully aware of it.

How does that change the fact that KA's influence failed to fully control Itachi? If KA influence is absolute like you are wishing it was, Itachi wouldn't be able to defy it even if he is aware of it.

Now the scan of Mifune or another breaking his flow to negate KA's effects on him.In the only way so far that has been shown to avoid KA is for somebody to recognise it's effects by knowing about it and make you aware of it.

There's no need to break it when you can just ignore the orders KA gives you like what Itachi did.

Secondly Shisui was planning on using it on Fugaku and or the Uchiha clan to stop them from the coup. He wouldn't be using something that would be recognised as Genjutsu by the Uchiha. That's why your :salt: blinds you.

Can I get a scan of Shisui pulling off this feat successfully? Oh wait he failed and had his "OP" eye power stolen :lol

Funny thing is Shin (Sai's brother) defied ET control on his own when he saw Sai's book, while Itachi needed KA to do it.

So Hashirama will power > Orochimaru's Edo Tensei influence > Shin will power = KA influence > Kabuto Edo Tensei influence.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Kabuto can choose how much restraint he has on the zombies as controlling all of them 100% is difficult for him.

Doesnt matter he was clearly controlling Otachi and Nagato

They fight on autopilot, Kabuto isn't always in control 100%. This is shown with Madara, Hizashi, Asuma, Zabuza, and many others.

They're fighting via programmed command.

or lwts them fight independently that has no bearing on fighting endlessly.

independent Zombie don't require co tell from Kabuto so his chakra becomes irrelevant to their power

Like I said, this is because controlling the sheer amount of zombies he has summoned forces him to let some of them retain a small amount of their free will.

Doesn't matter and was never statedunless you have a scan to the contrary.

KA command: Protect Konoha

Itachi: Leaves Konoha ninja on ground to die

Itachi: Let's Sasuke live despite saying he will destroy Konoha.

Protect Konoha(000s) takes priority over the life of 1 or 2 shinobi.

Secondly Itachi didn't let Sasuke live he'd entrusted Naruto with the mission after seeing him so his faith overrode the risk Sasuke posed. Even then beating Sasuke doesn't take prioeirty over stopping Kabuto who puts at risk 000s of lives.

Which has nothing to do with Itachi defying KA's command and going against it's influence.

Except he didn't as explained above.

How does that change the fact that KA's influence failed to fully control Itachi? If KA influence is absolute like you are wishing it was, Itachi wouldn't be able to defy it even if he is aware of it.

Its the same ad Mifune once aware you know your being manipulated. Nobody knows better than the one that programmed it. It's absolute only on those who don't know such as Mifune or Fugaku who he was intending to use it against.

There's no need to break it when you can just ignore the orders KA gives you like what Itachi did.

Concession accepted since I didn't see a scan and secondly refer to above of whether Itachi of oted the command or not.

Can I get a scan of Shisui pulling off this feat successfully? Oh wait he failed and had his "OP" eye power stolen :lol

Don't need to Hiruzen and the others kbew he would that's why they allowed him to do it. Danzo couldn't have Shisui doing is so stole the eye. Now no more excuses.

Funny thing is Shin (Sai's brother) defied ET control on his own when he saw Sai's book, while Itachi needed KA to do it.

No shit Obito was controlling Itachi and Nagato directly.

So Hashirama will power > Orochimaru's Edo Tensei influence > Shin will power = KA influence > Kabuto Edo Tensei influence.

Redundant logic at its finest, Will power comes from the mind which KA affects so that point goes out of the window.

 

[lndra]

Its just common sense that Shisui has a powerful enough genjutsu to trap Hashirama.

Just because you have enough power to, doesn't mean you can.

Hashirama would beat his ass before they even locked eyes. I mean do people think Shisui can even react to him? lol

 

[Dremolite]

Just because you have enough power to, doesn't mean you can.

Hashirama would beat his ass before they even locked eyes. I mean do people think Shisui can even react to him? lol

Yeah youre underestimating shisui he was capable of a nickname teleporter no shisui he is pretty much the best in teleportation, if you are ignorant of his feats and statements dont argue against him. He will easily react to hashirama, he was the third strongest uchiha after itachi and wicked eye fugaku. Stop while you're behind.

 

[lndra]

Yeah youre underestimating shisui he was capable of a nickname teleporter no shisui he is pretty much the best in teleportation, if you are ignorant of his feats and statements dont argue against him. He will easily react to hashirama, he was the third strongest uchiha after itachi and wicked eye fugaku. Stop while you're behind.

lmao Shisui has some hype but no feats

Hashirama would wreck his shit before he moved 1 centimeter. Unless someone has feats that he can keep up with Itachi, let alone Madara, let alone Hashirama XD

 

[Dremolite]

lmao Shisui has some hype but no feats

Hashirama would wreck his shit before he moved 1 centimeter. Unless someone has feats that he can keep up with Itachi, let alone Madara, let alone Hashirama XD

Read the novel, plenty of feats(I've not read it but I think its canon, I'm going to read it, people say its bery interesting). Itachis father, itachi, shisui are considered the strongest uchihas, that itself should give shisui on par feats with itachi or at least nearby. Itachi himself was easily overshadowing naruto and killer bee in a weaker form and overahadowed curse seal 2 sasuke. We can estimate based on portrayal. Wicked eye fugaku scared people from foreign countries I heard. Its very interesting that novel.