[Discussion] Child support

[Dreckerplayer]

Dance for me puppet

I'm tired of these perverted sneak freaks trying to inquire about what's going on with my junk. For real.

 

[Donald J Trump]

I'm tired of these perverted sneak freaks trying to inquire about what's going on with my junk. For real.

I know you don't work out but, just do a few shoulder stretches before you get too excited. loooool

 

[Dreckerplayer]

I know you don't work out but, just do a few shoulder stretches before you get too excited. loooool

I'm not sure why you're so much of a stereotypical male that has so much of a point to prove,and I don't know why you're envisioning me doing shoulder stretches and getting excited.You're definitely trying to recover your ego.

Bro, you're a little too concerned about what I do with my body, and you should definitely stop insinuating things that you know nothing of.This MUST be a habit of yours.And I don't need some self-entitled male with identity issues trying to get a social climb off of me to make himself look more like a man. When he's clearly just half of one.Let me guess, do you need to "work out", to make yourself feel more like a man, to feel more superior than the next man?Do you get jealous of other males with muscle?Well, they're just like you, they don't feel man enough...more than likely AREN'T man enough, so as compromise they build their bodies.They build their bodies up, and ironically, look down on other males who don't share that same insecurity complex.They see the next dude with more muscle, compare their bodies, and decide that the amount muscle they have isn't enough.That's not motivation, my boy, that's ENVY.


Anywho, don't meddle in my personal business. And NO I'm not open to GUYS, so don't try to work your way under. For real.

 

[Lightbringer]

I dont believe a man should be forced by the law to lay child support, and I believe single parents shouldnt receive financial support from the government. It was the introduction of welfare programs in the 1960s for single mothers that led to the destruction of the "black family" in America, and decreased frequency of the nuclear family.

There used to be a time where people's actions had societal consequences; if a woman had a child out of wedlock with no established marriage, the man would have no legally binding obligation to provide resources for the mother or the child, She wouldnt be able to go out and work to obtain resources since she's busy rearing an child and the fact that she's had a child means no other man would want to marry her. And she eventually becomes a burden upon her parents who she has to rely on for resources for herself and her child. These consequences led to laws, religious laws, and societal norms being established that would promote marriage and monogamy, and condemn *** before marriage and promiscuity, which in turn made people more conscious of the people they were choosing to have relationshios with.

Now that the government has injected itself as the legal binding agent that makes men support the mother and child, and as the supporting husband/provider that would supply resources through welfare programs, women can be as sexually promiscuous as they want with whomever they want and have children as they please without fearing the societal consequences of having children out of wedlock since they can always extrapolate resources from men through the force of the government. This decreases the overall value of marriage, decreases communal cohesion, and promotes single parenthood (which is now 21% of all parenting relationships); children that are products of single parent households generally have higher risks of depression, suicidal tendencies, emotional distress, drug abuse, immense propensity towards early sexual activity, and are far more likely to end up being a criminal and or in jail. When you have 21% or so of society raising children to have a higher tendency to volatile behavior, you're going to have a more volatile society.

And to think these issues all stem from child support.

You yourself told me that you were Anti-Abortion.

So if women can't get an abortion, what exactly do you expect them to do if the man has no obligations to pay for child support and are unable to file for welfare? Abandon the child?

TL;DR
Men should not pay child support, as it decreases the value of marriage and the quality of society. And women need to be more responsible with the men they open their legs for.

So it's all the woman's fault and men should be free of consequence?

 

[salamander uchiha]

Do you think it's okay a girl can have an abortion EVEN if the dad wants the kid

No she shouldn't be allowed to have an abortion. All actions have consequences don't do the crime if your not willing to do the time. The liberal socialists are destroying society 1 brick at a time.

As for child support that's a separate issue to abortions and has it's own standing. I disagree with many aspects of it (how it's calculated etc) but you've got a responsibility as you were part of the action that resulted in the child being born.

 

[Donald J Trump]

I'm not sure why you're so much of a stereotypical male that has so much of a point to prove,and I don't know why you're envisioning me doing shoulder stretches and getting excited.You're definitely trying to recover your ego.

Bro, you're a little too concerned about what I do with my body, and you should definitely stop insinuating things that you know nothing of.This MUST be a habit of yours.And I don't need some self-entitled male with identity issues trying to get a social climb off of me to make himself look more like a man. When he's clearly just half of one.Let me guess, do you need to "work out", to make yourself feel more like a man, to feel more superior than the next man?Do you get jealous of other males with muscle?Well, they're just like you, they don't feel man enough...more than likely AREN'T man enough, so as compromise they build their bodies.They build their bodies up, and ironically, look down on other males who don't share that same insecurity complex.They see the next dude with more muscle, compare their bodies, and decide that the amount muscle they have isn't enough.That's not motivation, my boy, that's ENVY.


Anywho, don't meddle in my personal business. And NO I'm not open to GUYS, so don't try to work your way under. For real.

I have you writing essays! How does it feel to get puppeteered at this juncture of all junctures? Dance for me boy!

 

[Sakazuki]

I have you writing essays! How does it feel to get puppeteered at this juncture of all junctures? Dance for me boy!

Lmao where did trump come from

 

[Sakazuki]

You're dumb, it's a parent's job to take care of a child. One way or another, both of you need to contribute, and be consistent with it. I hope you guys have some sort of plan worked out.A mother that cares for her child, won't make any excuses.A selfish mother is full of excuses. Feeding/clothing/seeing her kid is not one of her main priorities...trust me.Same goes for a father, of course.

As for that poor excuse "A woman can get an abortion even if the man wants it"...it doesn't matter. You had unprotected *** with someone and she got pregnant. The woman has no business getting an abortion,either, because that's just irresponsible.Cause & Effect.

You want the guilty pleasures of the world, but you don't want to pay the consequences?People are too over privileged these days. You shouldn't get the option to get an abortion...unless it's rape, defected,still born, etc...extreme/necessary cases such as that.Plus, a child has no business raising a child...stay in a CHILD'S place.

People get abortions for no reason.Or make the BIGGEST deal out of getting pregnant, as if you didn't have *** to do so. Consequences.

It doesn't matter if I want my kid and the mom kills it? Stfu you dumb pansy. You sound like a 12 year old *****

 

[Sakazuki]

personally i would say no.

in the same way you can't force a sperm donor to pay child support.

if the man don't want the child for what ever reason (1 night stand, or believe they are not ready to have a child, for what ever reason) then he should be legally allowed to "disawove" (don't know how to spell it) any right and support claims for the child.

the child grows inside the women so a man should have no say in an aborting if the women is against it, however on the flipside of that coin if the man don't want anything to do with the child then he shuden't be forced to do so.

I like the sperm donor not having to pay, didn't think of that. Smart!

 

[GEIxBattleRifle]

It is both the man and the woman's responsibility for taking care of that child. So, of course. He better chip in.

If the guy is man enough to slide between her legs without protection, then he should be man enough to suffer the consequences and take care of that child.

He can always commit suicide or run away to avoid taking care of a kid.

 

[Ninetailsfox00x1]

Not all the time. Many single mothers need the money.

I think the laws are starting to favor the father that they can now have custody of the child and file for child support on the mother.

I agree, but nevertheless there is other methods of getting money for your child. Hopefully its about time the "system" assist males in that category that actually buy their kids what they need.

 

[kimb]

You yourself told me that you were Anti-Abortion.

So if women can't get an abortion, what exactly do you expect them to do if the man has no obligations to pay for child support and are unable to file for welfare? Abandon the child?

I prefer pro-life.

This is assuming that the child is born, but there are preventative measures that be taken to prevent anyone from being in a situation of need for a child; celebacy, precontraceptives, and post contraceptives. Don't have *** if you dont think you can't support a child, and if you do have ***, wear protection and use contraceptives such as plan B to prevent pregnancy.

In the case where the fetus has developed to the point where it's considered a life, adoption is always a viable option. If they've already chose to raise the child, it is their burden to carry. Actions have consequences.

So it's all the woman's fault and men should be free of consequence?

If by "it's" you mean, "who a woman gets pregnant by", then yes, its 210% her fault who she gets pregnant by unless it was rape, but we're clearly not talking about those instances.

Women are the gate keepers to life, and as a man you know this. They choose who does and does not have access pass that gate.

 

[ArabianLuffy]

Do you think it's okay a girl can have an abortion EVEN if the dad wants the kid

Your use of terms makes me get lost. Girl, woman, wife, kid, man and husband.

“Do you think it's okay a girl can have an abortion EVEN if the dad wants the kid”

 

[Sakazuki]

Your use of terms makes me get lost. Girl, woman, wife, kid, man and husband.

“Do you think it's okay a girl can have an abortion EVEN if the dad wants the kid”

I apologize

 

[Sakazuki]

A lot of women spend that money on nothing but bs too

 

[Cornson]

A lot of women spend that money on nothing but bs too

that should be besides the point though.

what some women desides to do with their child support was not was this topic was about

 

[Onii Chan]

90% of the time its the girls who just get mad the guy left them after the baby (whenever that may be) and sadly they now take their anger on them financially thus of course leads to the guy completely becoming a poor man thus also leads to him eventually going to jail because the woman has sucked every single penny from the dude. In the majority of cases i'd say requesting any sort of child support is a form of greed, lust, and over all corruption. In the end, if you want ''support'' go find another man to become the father instead of trying to leech off someone that clearly doesn't care nor wont give you any pleasure in the long run. This way you get the money because the man will obviously be working his own job plus you'll get some **** in the process so its a win win, but, of course just getting child support is also a win win. Because you'd be getting money and plus getting some sort of childish revenge on the dude but of course thats peasantry. You always do the right thing, dont ever sink down to the level of evil just because you're treated as such, always just push onward and life will take care of the rest. Everyone knows, either consciously or subconsciously, whats good and evil, its their choice however to choose the right path for themselves.

 

[Lightbringer]

I prefer pro-life.

This is assuming that the child is born, but there are preventative measures that be taken to prevent anyone from being in a situation of need for a child; celebacy, precontraceptives, and post contraceptives. Don't have *** if you dont think you can't support a child, and if you do have ***, wear protection and use contraceptives such as plan B to prevent pregnancy.

In the case where the fetus has developed to the point where it's considered a life, adoption is always a viable option. If they've already chose to raise the child, it is their burden to carry. Actions have consequences.



If by "it's" you mean, "who a woman gets pregnant by", then yes, its 210% her fault who she gets pregnant by unless it was rape, but we're clearly not talking about those instances.

Women are the gate keepers to life, and as a man you know this. They choose who does and does not have access pass that gate.

You're setting up a conveniently one-sided power dynamic in favor of the male.

Statistics show that banning abortion does not stop abortion, it only leads to a rise in illegal and unsafe abortions, which has a much higher mortality rate.

All of your philosophies revolve around punishing individuals rather than helping them and preventing such situations in the future. This reminds me of the debate we had where you stated that you believe fat people should pay more health insurance because they're fat as punishment. How is what you're proposing rational in any way? You assume that this will be enough to discourage people from having *** for fun. What kind of naive mindset is that?

You also have not mentioned at all in what way the males should deal with the consequences, because in your philosophy, they aren't any for them. It's just the women who have to shoulder the responsibility, but males don't have to pay child support nor be obligated to stay with the child. As you said, it's 210% her fault.

Women are the gatekeepers to life, yet males provide the seed, and you should know this. Males choose who they pass the seed to.

Ok, so they can just have *** and have their child thrown into foster care. That's your grand solution? Let's just ignore the psychological ramifications of child abandonment or how poor living conditions are in group homes.

Your rationale inadvertently punishes the children of these women as well. How exactly can you claim to be "pro-life" if you don't care about life after it's out of the fetus? It's hypocritical.

You're more focused on finding a way to punish people for mistakes and unfortunate circumstances rather than find a way to help them and provide a viable solution.

You constantly like to criticize me for using morals in my arguments, yet all of your propositions are based on your own personal vindictive morals rather than thinking about what is the smart thing to do that benefits all of society, and not just what satiates your own moral desires.