Momoshiki vs Madara.

[Rikudou Tobi]

Sharingan genjutsu?

Sasuke didn’t use it for a reason

 

[Solarmoth]

Sasuke didn’t use it for a reason

Are you saying it's useless? It could serve as a distraction.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Naruto said he was going all out in kurama mode and Sasuke used amotejakra and Perfect Susano’o.

Naruto going all out is jprobably true sitting behind a desk becoming rusty will do that to you. Sasuke's teleporting was playing with Momo he didn't even take any kill shots so we dont know how he was going at full power. Who says EMS Madara loses to rusty old people.

That’s why I’m giving Momoshiki the benefit.
Ems Madara and Sm Hashirama are very overrated in this base and it’s getting real sickening. I’ve heard people say that Ems Madara was stronger than one eyes rinnegan madara. Like tf?

EMS Madara is being under rated bro Hashi is definitely over rated. Now having said that I think people say EMS Madara is stronger because Rinnegan Madara suddenly became weaker as PIS came into Play.

The way I see it, Momoshiki survived the naruto and Sasuke combo, and if you replace Ems Madara or Sm Hashirama then they both get one shot.

Surviving that combo wasn't really a biggy they didn't really do anything. It's all yo do with abilities and match ups and based on what I've seen Madara hands out rape.

But more importantly the PIS. Momoshiki stopped time, a power he also did not use against naruto/Sasuke in their primary battle. When he stopped time in the end, both naruto and Sasuke fell hopeless against it which lead to Boruto in receiving a Ohtutsuki mark.

There's no proof Momo stopped time if he had the power to do that he would've used it against them.

So how can Ems Madara deal with time stop? I know rinnegan madara has Limbo but what of Ems?

He doesn't need to it doesn't exist otherwise Momo would've used it.

The 5 elements is white zetsus potential of using all elements because he can copy anyone’s chakra signature. He is comprised of yin yang release but he can’t use wood style.
He possessed a white half to do that and even then it wasn’t wood style, it was live roots that he connected to his body.
Once black zetsu left white zetsu’s body, he was unable to use wood style.



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We'll discuss BZ in another thread

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Naruto going all out is jprobably true sitting behind a desk becoming rusty will do that to you. Sasuke's teleporting was playing with Momo he didn't even take any kill shots so we dont know how he was going at full power. Who says EMS Madara loses to rusty old people.

I do. Adult Naruto, Adult Sasuke, Momoshiki, and Kinshiki fight in a completely different league than Ems a Madara. Only Rinnegan Madara can compete.
We’re talking about Six path chakra individuals here so what is Madara gonna do? Even I am willing to admit that all my personal favorites do not stand a chance against the full power of Momoshiki. All forms of Nagato, Tobious, and DMS Kakashi.
Momoshiki’s powers were OPed and he knocked out Adult Naruto transformed. He conquered more dimensions more than Kaguya and the planet they fought on was conquered/wasted by Momoshiki.

EMS Madara is being under rated bro Hashi is definitely over rated. Now having said that I think people say EMS Madara is stronger because Rinnegan Madara suddenly became weaker as PIS came into Play.

My man, Rinnegan Madara soloed all 9 bijus at the same time. Only Rinnegan Sasuke has shown such feat. Trust me when I say that Ems Madara is getting overrated as much as Sm Hashirama because beating Ems Madara is Sm Hashirama’s only feat. You sit here and tell me that a six path powered individual is weaker than people are not. Otherwise what’s the point of Ems Madara risking his life to obtain six path power in the first place?

Surviving that combo wasn't really a biggy they didn't really do anything. It's all yo do with abilities and match ups and based on what I've seen Madara hands out rape.

How? Ems Madara has one feat and that was pushing Sm Hashirama to high to exhaustion near death. And you know how much Hashirama’s overhype means nothing to me.
And even then. Against Hashirama, Ems Madara used the power of the kyubi to destroy all of Hashirama’s powerful wood constructs, susanoo was just for protection. He didn’t Perfect Susano’o in that battle just magic garb.

There's no proof Momo stopped time if he had the power to do that he would've used it against them.

Boruto literally told Sasuke that Momoshiki stopped time.

He doesn't need to it doesn't exist otherwise Momo would've used it.

PIS bro. He had Naruto strapped absorbing him from the god tree. His Golem was beating Kurama Mode naruto and he only used black chakra blade once to deflect Darui when he could’ve used it on Naruto.

We'll discuss BZ in another thread

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[NextGenNinja]

Does Momo have ninjutsu already absorbed(like the element jutsu, bijuudama,etc)?

 

[Ninetailsfox00x1]

S1 Maddy low
S2 Momo med
S3 Maddy low
S4 Momo high diff

Naruto and sasuke (Adults) should be as strong/stronger as base adult Madara we can scale.
We already know Naruto Sauce base> momo base

 

[salamander uchiha]

I do. Adult Naruto, Adult Sasuke, Momoshiki, and Kinshiki fight in a completely different league than Ems a Madara. Only Rinnegan Madara can compete.
We’re talking about Six path chakra individuals here so what is Madara gonna do? Even I am willing to admit that all my personal favorites do not stand a chance against the full power of Momoshiki. All forms of Nagato, Tobious, and DMS Kakashi.
Momoshiki’s powers were OPed and he knocked out Adult Naruto transformed. He conquered more dimensions more than Kaguya and the planet they fought on was conquered/wasted by Momoshiki.

Your overstating them Naruto and Sasuke have the potential to fight in a different league if they use their Rikudo powers but they didn't and dont. I looked for the quote Naruto said we have to go all out against him but I couldn't find it. Instead Naruto used his BSM which managed and Sasuke only used teleportation once. Sasuke's counter to Momo's attacks was ribcage Susanoo.

Imo Momo didn't solo Naruto because Naruto was protecting Konoha anddidn't want the others to get caught in the fight. Momo used a beast ball he gained from absorbing Gyuki s chakra that wouldn't even dent Madara's susanoo. The same Susanoo he used to protect the kyubi from TBB return. And like I said all it took was Sasuke whipping out PS to low diff Momo.

My man, Rinnegan Madara soloed all 9 bijus at the same time. Only Rinnegan Sasuke has shown such feat. Trust me when I say that Ems Madara is getting overrated as much as Sm Hashirama because beating Ems Madara is Sm Hashirama’s only feat. You sit here and tell me that a six path powered individual is weaker than people are not. Otherwise what’s the point of Ems Madara risking his life to obtain six path power in the first place?

Like I said when Sasuke and Naruto gained their Rokudo powers they surpassed EMS Madara and SM Hashirama not before that. And from their battle display as I've pointed out earlier they werent using their 6paths power ups.

It depends on the six path power and where it comes from, just as a Jyubi jin (Obito) was defeated by fodder and those with no six path powers. Momo destroying worlds isn't proof of anything, it's inhabitants etc, it could be destroying the divine tree would destroy the the planet. It could also be the reason which Hogaromo left the tailed beasts on earth.

How? Ems Madara has one feat and that was pushing Sm Hashirama to high to exhaustion near death. And you know how much Hashirama’s overhype means nothing to me.
And even then. Against Hashirama, Ems Madara used the power of the kyubi to destroy all of Hashirama’s powerful wood constructs, susanoo was just for protection. He didn’t Perfect Susano’o in that battle just magic garb.

The Kyubi wasn't necessary I don't see any reason for Madara using the kyubi it would've been more of a burden than an assist. The point is even a magic garb version of Susanoo was able to low diff the Kyubi's tailed beat bomb and it was used to protect it. And if we go by that Naruto BSM lost to amthe 8 tails tailed beast bomb. Therefore susanoo is stronger than it in that aspect. A similar scenario to when Sasuke and Naruto fought Momo Sasuke covered the tails in the armour and then sliced Momo Ko'ing him. Now I don't see any reason why Madara can't low diff him. His golem seems weaker than those hands Hashirama's arms destroyed.

Boruto literally told Sasuke that Momoshiki stopped time.

Sasuke said it felt like that but that's not proof of anything since Momo's in a different plain of existence. I don't see Momo not using a power that would help him beat them if it was possible unless it's like Hogaromo's giving handouts in another realm.

PIS bro. He had Naruto strapped absorbing him from the god tree. His Golem was beating Kurama Mode naruto and he only used black chakra blade once to deflect Darui when he could’ve used it on Naruto.


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The fact that he didn't use those black chakra blades against Naruto shows they were weaker. And Darui isn't proof of the strength of those chakra blades or their effectiveness. Rokudo powers vary from user to user in ability and strength.

I've made my case I don't think I need to repeat why Madara low diffs him.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Does Momo have ninjutsu already absorbed(like the element jutsu, bijuudama,etc)?

Sure why not but remember Momo's bijuu dama was 8 tails bijuu dama and Madara's EMS susanoo tanked a 9 tails bijuu dama with 0 effect

 

[NextGenNinja]

Sure why not but remember Momo's bijuu dama was 8 tails bijuu dama and Madara's EMS susanoo tanked a 9 tails bijuu dama with 0 effect

Yet it obliterated Naruto's Kurama avatar, even knocking him out.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Yet it obliterated Naruto's Kurama avatar, even knocking him out.

It's obvious that the avatar isn't as durable as PS. Kurama was in danger of getting offed or injured so Madara was forfed to use PS to depend it. It's also the reason Sasuke covers Kurama is PS armour when they're fighting Momoshiki's golem. Besides I think they were holding back not wanting to destroy Konoha.

 

[NextGenNinja]

It's obvious that the avatar isn't as durable as PS. Kurama was in danger of getting offed or injured so Madara was forfed to use PS to depend it. It's also the reason Sasuke covers Kurama is PS armour when they're fighting Momoshiki's golem. Besides I think they were holding back not wanting to destroy Konoha.

Except they both took a similar amount of damage after their TBB-Chidori clash.

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I really doubt EMS Madara's PS is more durable than two chakra constructs powered by Rikudou chakra, but if you think so then ok.