Adult Sakura Vs Adult Chojuro
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That doesn't matter to what I said:
Her feat of punching Kaguya is due to Kaguya being distracted and already moving towards Sakura.
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The 360 vision of the Byakugan isn't always activated, the user activates it at will.
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Can you prove Kaguya's 360 vision was on?
With that said, even if her 360 vision was on, she was still trying to get away from Naruto and Sasuke, who are attempting to seal her, so focusing on Sakura isn't her priority, hence why Kishimot has Sakura tell Kaguya not to take her lightly.
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Just as Chojuro swinging Hiramekarei and releasing fish bone-like crystals doesn't translate into Sakura being hit or even being fast enough to infringe her evasion. I won't say Sakura is leagues ahead of Chojuro in speed but Sakura has faster combative feats then Chojuro.
I know you didn't imply that, I implied that his attacks wouldnt neg her or that she is fast enough to evade them.
Absurd logic, Chojuro's chakra wave didn't out pace anything and his surprise chakra wave that came from more then 4m away simply stopped Kinishki from attacking Sasuke at a the 4m mark he was at. TF? You can't use Kinshiki distance from Sasuke to determine the speed of Chojuro's attack when their isn't a quantive distance to which Chojuro launched his attack. You can't prove how fast or the distance that the chakra wave launched at Kinishki & Sasuke by the distance between Sasuke & Kinishki only.
I disagree, if anything Sasori's iron sand just as fast if not faster and had more sophisticated movements comparend to the linear launch of Chojuro's chakra wave. Sasori's iron sand covered the entire battle field in one scan.
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Sasori's Iron Sand in genral is faster then Chojuro's chakra wave by hype and feats too.
Iron Sand* Drizzle (砂鉄時雨, Satetsu Shigure)
Ninjutsu, Kekkei Genkai, No rank, Offensive, All ranges
Users: Sasori, Sandaime Kazekage
This pitch-black, incessant rain is a prologue wielding power over life and death~~
Going into the minutest details, this mass adapts to the circumstances
This gunshot-like attack uses Iron Sand, hardened into microscopic grains, to attack simultaneously across a vast range. The bullets are so fast, they're difficult to see. From the moment the user has finished preparing the attack, evading it will be extremely difficult...!! Furthermore, the user can also use an attack pattern where the Iron Sand bullets are shaped into sharp needles, increasing their ability wound or kill the enemy. Since the Iron Sand carries magnetic force and is also drenched in poison, defending agaist this technique is almost impossible. This technique is especially threatening to puppet users, since the puppets can be made completely unable to fight.
Ninjutsu, Kekkei Genkai, No rank, Offensive, All ranges
Users: Sasori, Sandaime Kazekage
This pitch-black, incessant rain is a prologue wielding power over life and death~~
Going into the minutest details, this mass adapts to the circumstances
This gunshot-like attack uses Iron Sand, hardened into microscopic grains, to attack simultaneously across a vast range. The bullets are so fast, they're difficult to see. From the moment the user has finished preparing the attack, evading it will be extremely difficult...!! Furthermore, the user can also use an attack pattern where the Iron Sand bullets are shaped into sharp needles, increasing their ability wound or kill the enemy. Since the Iron Sand carries magnetic force and is also drenched in poison, defending agaist this technique is almost impossible. This technique is especially threatening to puppet users, since the puppets can be made completely unable to fight.
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Iron Sand* Gathering (砂鉄結集, Satetsu Kesshuu)
Ninjutsu, Kekkei Genkai, No rank, Offensive, All ranges
Users: Sasori, Third Kazekage
A piercing and pressuring "concerto" technique that gives birth to a mortal "mass" of Iron Sand!!
Gathering enormous volumes of Iron Sand and compressing them into high-density shapes! As the hardness is greatly increased, gigantic steel-like weapons can be created in an instant...! Because the source is Iron Sand, the shapes can be whatever the user wants. When it is tapered off into a sharp point like a triangular spindle-shape, it becomes a "giant spear". When the area of contact is increased by shaping it like a solid rectangle, it becomes a difficult to evade "giant iron hammer". By taking into account the opponent type and battle arena terrain, the best attack shape can be selected. Naturally, because the Iron Sand has a strong magnetic field, the opponent cannot use metal weapons or tools.
↓With such weight, even the bedrock is easily broken through and shattered into small pieces!! Even if such an attack is evaded, the unstable foothold allows for even more attacks!!
[picture of the triangular shape destroying the bedrock Chiyo and Sakura are standing on]
[picture of the rectangular shape destroying the bedrock]
←Strong consecutive attacks, by creating weapons with various shapes!
One-hit piercing
A defence-shattering cooperative attack!!
Ninjutsu, Kekkei Genkai, No rank, Offensive, All ranges
Users: Sasori, Third Kazekage
A piercing and pressuring "concerto" technique that gives birth to a mortal "mass" of Iron Sand!!
Gathering enormous volumes of Iron Sand and compressing them into high-density shapes! As the hardness is greatly increased, gigantic steel-like weapons can be created in an instant...! Because the source is Iron Sand, the shapes can be whatever the user wants. When it is tapered off into a sharp point like a triangular spindle-shape, it becomes a "giant spear". When the area of contact is increased by shaping it like a solid rectangle, it becomes a difficult to evade "giant iron hammer". By taking into account the opponent type and battle arena terrain, the best attack shape can be selected. Naturally, because the Iron Sand has a strong magnetic field, the opponent cannot use metal weapons or tools.
↓With such weight, even the bedrock is easily broken through and shattered into small pieces!! Even if such an attack is evaded, the unstable foothold allows for even more attacks!!
[picture of the triangular shape destroying the bedrock Chiyo and Sakura are standing on]
[picture of the rectangular shape destroying the bedrock]
←Strong consecutive attacks, by creating weapons with various shapes!
One-hit piercing
A defence-shattering cooperative attack!!
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According to the databook, depending on the battle type and terrain, the user can decide what type of shape he wishes to make the Iron sand..
In the manga we have seen Sasori make a giant spear like shape that moves extremely fast and causes massive amounts of damage...
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Sasori's Iron Sand edges Chojuro's waves of chakra if we consider the facts I just laid out.
And? Those iron structures were quickly changing shape in mid air and even while moving at a fast pace, we saw enough to conclude that his iron sand was more effective and had better sophisticated movements.
Again the distance between Sasuke & Kinshiki cannot not determine how fast the attack was becuase we don't form what distance he mounted the attack from.
And her speed is good enough to evade Chojuro's attack.
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She has more options too, she can evade then overwhelm him and pressure his swordsmenship with a punch to the ground or in his direction.
His attacks being blunt, one directional along with being widespread works in Sakura's favor and isn't beyond anything she faced of we consider her dissertation against Sasori's iron sand. His iron sand could change direction mid air, expand or shorten it's range in the blink of an eye, cultivate different shapes, divide itself then attack back to back or at once and basically moved much more ambiguously then Chojuro's one directional wide spread attack.
Sakura's attacks (super strength & It's shock waves )would Chojuro a better run for his money especially in cqc. Being that he isn't faster then her (she evaded kaguuas chakra atm) and Sakura not having to physically touch him for him to take the impact of her CES.
Chojuro swings.
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Sakura evades.
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She then has options..
Option 1: she lands within his proxy and strikes him like so (which is an instant kill.
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Option two: attacks him directly twords from her postion in the air.
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Option 3: destroys the ground beneath him which destabilizes his stature, postion or footing.
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Option 4: proceeds to elevate her postion in the air and come down full force.
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And it wouldn't be smart of him to attack her from above.
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Only difference he has much more reach and attacks that propel faster.
Nope , Kinshiki's striking speed in a previous encounter that consisted of sasuke & Kinshiki in a 1 v 1 battle to which Kinshiki was battling sasuke only and not sasuke & company are two different factors. Sasuke keeping up with Kinshiki and Chojuro mounting a surprise attack followed by barley dodging Kinishkis assault doesn't but him in Kinshiki or Sasuke s tier of speed either.
Sakura out maneuvering shins 12+ active MS and landing a deadly blow directly to his chest is working for my argument becuase it proves that Sakura is swift & fast enough to get past the perception a sharningan grants it's user. Sakura literally charged shin in his direct line of sight while yelling at him yet his 12+ sharningan (that reacted to Sasukes katon from behind previously) didn't pick her up.
You have can only provide one speed feat of Chojuros and whilebi can provide a feat just as impressive (evading Kaguya's chakra hand) in addition to a second feat of Sakura using her speed to out maneuver the preception of MS user (multi MS user at that).
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Her veins are prominent, that’s a key sign that her Byakugan is activated.
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So are Hinata's here.
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Yet the only thing her X-ray vision is seeing through his Naruto's wallet. Like I said, the user controls how much and what they see.
Yeah, I can:
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Just by having his byakugan activated, Neji was able to see the clones coming at him from behind, and then Tenten explaining how byakugan works. No idea why Hinata needed to activate an already activated byakugan to function but well, I guess that's the difference in power between them.
Doesn't matter, Sakura was her enemy and she wasn't about to get hit freely by her just because she was "focused" on the other two. Sakura punching her was a feat, like it or not.
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Make jokes if you want, it won't change the facts. Byakugan users see what and how much they want. As I said above, Hinata was only looking through Naruto's wallet rather than seeing his Chakra points. Another example of this is when she looks through Naruto's body to see his heart failing or when she observes the changes in Kabuto's body. Each and every time we are shown the Byakugan user determines on their own what their eye can see.
What's this supposed to even mean?
Except it isn't and doesn't apply in any shape or form to a 1 on 1 fight.
Actually it's not what they want, it's what they can, as Hanabi stated, there is a thing of mastery over the byakugan. And again, you're giving me an example of someone that was deemed a failure, while I'm giving you an example of a genius within the clan, which in turn doesn't even beging to compare to Kaguya's level. I actually find it hard to believe that you understand that it was kishimoto that wanted sakura to say "don't take me lightly" but fail to comprehend that it was also his hand that wanted to show you these things with the byakugan. Why would he draw naruto's chakra network if the idea was to just show what's in his purse? I mean, even the image is being focused on the contents of the purse and blurring the rest of his body. Don't cherry pick, because also in the end, it doesn't matter since they don't choose to see 360º or not, it's an innate ability of their activated eyes. At best they would focus if they wanted to see someone's chakra network or not. Example:
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Was the intention to show their chakra networks? or just convey that Neji found them?. Same thing. And if this doesn't suit you, then at the very least I have proof that you don't need to reactivate byakugan to see 360º, like Neji did. Prove then that Kaguya wasn't using 360º field vision.
Oh, it doesn't? Then Chojuro is featless, since he never fought 1 on 1 fight with anyone.
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That's in terms of mastering it to use Gentle Fist effectively.
Too bad for you Hinata's Byakugan is said to be on par with Neji's.
Sakura saying this is to let the readers know Kaguya was ignoring her, much like how she was ignoring Kakashi and obito and focusing on dealing with Naruto and Sasuke.
Every moment we have seen a Byakugan user's eye sight, we see that it can vary from seeing one's muscles, to their skeleton, to their Chakra network, to small portions of their bodies, to seeing completely through one's body, and we have confirmation of Hinata both willingly extending her range and activating her 360 vision but you want to argue against clear moments in the manga. Not really surprised given your track record, like saying Sakura is faster than Ay in this thread alone, so this will be my last post dealing with you.
As I already showed you in the manga panels of Hinata spotting Tobi, you're wrong, so save your breath.
Here's another example: Kakashi directly telling Hinata, who's Byakugan is already on, to look in a direction which, according to your logic, she should already be seeing given her 360 degree is supposedly always on.
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That's what the hand signs are for.
That is literally Neji's eye sight, don't argue otherwise :lol
It's not reactivation. Hinata's Byakugan is already on, yet she still says "Byakugan" when changing her vision.
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Considering she couldn't even tell the difference between a transformed Naruto and Sasuke despite her Byakugan being able to tell Chakras apart, it's obvious she wasn't using it's visual prowess effectively. At the same time, burden of proof falls on you to show Kaguya was using an ability you are claiming she used.
Sorry, but that's not how it works.
You really need to stop using shit that has been debunked many times already.
She isn't fast enough to bypass his sharingan, Both anime and Manga versions of their fights prove this. She fails to blitz him in Both. You need new material
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Plantains thinks copy pasting the same argument over and over again will magically work eventually. There's nothing in there that hasn't been debunked before in this or other threads. The logic is also laughably flawed.
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No one is providing a good argument for Chojuro, bombarding me with the same two panels is low-key boring. The only thing people are doing is debunking Sakura evasion feats and avoiding the question at hand.
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It has not, the close thing to debunking Sakura out maneuvering shin & jis MS(S) preception by attacking him head head on or in his direct line of sight is either
(A) Shin is fodder.
(B) Shin was distracted and had no means of picking up Sakura's movement even though he picked up sasuke attack from behind and instantly reacted to it.
(C)She didn't do it for a second time so it doesn't count.
(D) She was saved by Sasuke from shin chapters later.
Ect...
She did though and it's a fact.
If shin (his multi MS(S) was able to react too a attack from behind him the second it was launched why couldn't or didn't in do same when sakura directly charged him charged him head on (not from behind)?
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By lady byakugan, you've copied and paste the same scan of Chojuro slicing Zetsu in half and shikamarus statement about the kages in the manga lol
Or how about when you argue for Hinata the first thing you post and continue to post is your theoretic wishful thinking of how "Humaras chakra" gives her hypothical feats.
Lol sidenote, do you remember when you said Hinata was on par with Naruto & Sasuke? And that Hinata can fly?
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Arguments don't get through to the most of you.
That's a logical conclusion anyone who isn't biased would come to, now stay on topic :salt:
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