Adult Sakura Vs Adult Chojuro

[Team7monaa]

Don't use Lee as a scapegoat when he wasn't even superior to Neji at the time of his death.

What does that have to do with anything I’ve said? is Chojuro stronger than Lee in combat? No, so that statement is false miss me with the BS and try giving me an arguement instead of resorting to character statements and one panel.

Nothing anyone has said is giving me a clear reason why Chojuro wins, bisecting the weakest member of Akatsuki who was distracted by KCM Naruto or managing to immobilise Kinshiki who was distracted by the other Kage for five seconds and a half-assed statement from Shikamaru.

If that’s all you can bring to the table, is it worth it? Especially, considering his foe has above average footing speed and reflexes and continuous regeneration, 10x his reserves and is smarter and physically stronger.

Sakura certainly dosen’t blitz I can admit that but Katsuyu, outlasting or simply getting rid of Hiramakarei and engaging in pure hand-to-hand combat are a few scenarios which Sakura can perform to win especially considering Chojuro is just as linear as she is except his defence capabilities are non-existent, which is why I say she wins mid to high-diff at most.

 

[Made in Heaven]

What does that have to do with anything I’ve said? is Chojuro stronger than Lee in combat?No, so that statement is false miss me with the BS and try giving me an arguement instead of resorting to character statements and one panel.

Yes, Shikamaru says so. Though it's obvious you're only defending Lee to defend Sakura by extension.

 

[Team7monaa]

Yes, Shikamaru says so. Though it's obvious you're only defending Lee to defend Sakura by extension.

No, I’m using Lee to prove his statement is trash.

 

[neosmith500]

I disagree.

Facts agree. So check back wat i said in that quote because u didn't counter a thing. All u did was mention that Chojuro doesn't have light speed attacks , and that Sakura can evade his attacks. Oh along with mentioning her irrelavnt feats against Sasori so yea , u never countered a thing i said.

You tell me? How fast can Chojuro swing his sword back 2 back

Same amount of time it takes for him to do a single swing. He does one swing , then does another seconds after as soon as he re-adjust his arms.

Just as Sakura's evasion would take seconds, his sword isn't above Sakura's speed.

Which wasn't the point as nobody said Sakura cant dodge. Her evasion requires physical maneuvering which can be exploited with tactical waves of attacks.

The manga does not agree, Sakura blitzed and one shotted a MS user (precog) and kept up with him in cqc. So that means Chojuro would need a feat other the the one your pushing

The manga does agree and heres why. Chojuro evaded Kinshiki's dash someone much faster than Sakura/Shin , forcing him to attack the ground , then he evaded Kinshiki again from CQC range by avoiding getting his body sliced in half by his second attack. Kinshiki is tiers upon tiers faster than Sakura and any of her attacks , making ur mentions of her speed feats irrelevant.

Sakura doesn't have movement speed even close to Kinshiki so she isn't coming close to bltzing Chojuro when she couldn't blitz Shin when actually fighting him 1 on 1 and was bout to get put down.

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What if Sakura punches and the shockwaves forces him to do the same?

Not a long ranged attack. Chojuro would use his attack before she does.

 

[Team7monaa]

Same amount of time it takes for him to do a single swing. He does one swing , then does another seconds after as soon as he re-adjust his arms.

Chojuro’s sword is extremely large and amongst the widest from what we’ve seen, it won’t be hard to react to, not to mention the sword requires chakra to be actually useful and so she’ll definitely know what’s up and Sakura was able to analyse the movements of the likes of Sasori’s who’s hand-movements are on a completely different level to Chojuro’s.

You seem to forget that intelligence-wise she outranks Chojuro so once she realises his movements with the sword and his re-adjustments she’ll take action.

Which wasn't the point as nobody said Sakura cant dodge. Her evasion requires physical maneuvering which can be exploited with tactical waves of attacks.

Which someone who was constantly-ranked top in intelligence and deciphered Kamui after a few minutes and Sasori’s entire attack pattern won’t have trouble dealing with.

Sakura doesn't have movement speed even close to Kinshiki so she isn't coming close to bltzing Chojuro when she couldn't blitz Shin when actually fighting him 1 on 1.

She’s not blitzing but she’s taking his sword and removing it from the equation, excepting him with Katsuyu or outlasting with Byakugō

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Not a long ranged attack.

If they’re both CQC fighters, fighting in CQC why would it be?

 

[Exaar]

Don't know why this is still going on, It's already been proven that she can blitz him.

Adult sakura > Teen Sakura > Chakra hand > kinshiki/Adult sasuke/Adult naruto when it comes to speed and reactions. Nothing left to be said tbh.

 

[neosmith500]

Chojuro’s sword is extremely large and amongst the widest from what we’ve seen, it won’t be hard to react to, not to mention the sword requires chakra to be actually useful and so she’ll definitely know what’s up and Sakura was able to analyse the movements of the likes of Sasori’s who’s hand-movements are on a completely different level to Chojuro’s.

Nope , he used the blade swiftly and effectively as a kid and used fast chakra wave sending swings as an adult. Chakra use is irrelvant. Sasori's attacks are not Chojuro's attacks. His attacks dont have better speed feats than Chojuro's and are not the same unless u think giant Iron sand cubes are as fast as spikes which tagged Kinshiki that only takes a swing? While Sasori has to move finger and use mental commands before the cubes even move?

You seem to forget that intelligence-wise she outranks Chojuro so once she realises his movements with the sword and his re-adjustments she’ll take action.

LOL..

Which someone who was constantly-ranked top in intelligence and deciphered Kamui after a few minutes and Sasori’s entire attack pattern won’t have trouble dealing with.

Intelligence doesn't mean u can constantly physically manoeuvre around waves of attacks fast enough to tag Kinshiki who's tiers faster than u.

She’s not blitzing but she’s taking his sword and removing it from the equation, excepting him with Katsuyu or outlasting with Byakugō

She's not blitzing nor is she taking his sword. Katsuyu gets its head cut off from the neck just like i told Rasta and if she splits then Chojuro launches waves of crystal spikes while Sakura's in free-fall. She isn't outlasting with Byakugo if she gets tagged by Bone mutilation or touched by a chakra-wave.

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If they’re both CQC fighters, fighting in CQC why would it be?

Because Chojuro uses Bone mutilation with a sword swing , Sakura's shock-wave punch doesn't reach 5m.

 

[Jinrou]

Yep and Kurotsuchi, Darui, and Chojuro are stronger than 6-Gates Lee in CQC too

Lmfao, so okay all she knows is that sakura < Chojuro because she wasnt there, but doesnt face the fact that darui >> 6th gate lee in CQC? Hell, Kurotsuchi greater than 6TH GATE LEE in CQC? Nice garbage assumption you got there. Wow, which means GAARA >>>>> 6TH GATE FREAKIN' LEE in CQC lmfao what the ****?

That statement isn't taking only Cqc into consideration though... If so, Gaara had no right to be there. It probably took into consideration all parameters of combat abilities and its why upon their arrival in that dimension, Kurotsuchi and Chojuro took on the big guy while Gaara acted as support for Darui (from a distance though) who took on the absorbing guy with Kenjutsu iirc.

 

[Team7monaa]

That statement isn't taking only Cqc into consideration though... If so, Gaara had no right to be there. It probably took into consideration all parameters of combat abilities and its why upon their arrival in that dimension, Kurotsuchi and Chojuro took on the big guy while Gaara acted as support for Darui (from a distance though) who took on the absorbing guy with Kenjutsu iirc.

I understand that but in overall a fight between gated lee or Kurotsuchi, Chojuro and Darui he most likely wins.

 

[Byakugo King]

Nope , he used the blade swiftly and effectively as a kid and used fast chakra wave sending swings as an adult. Chakra use is irrelvant. Sasori's attacks are not Chojuro's attacks. His attacks dont have better speed feats than Chojuro's and are not the same unless u think giant Iron sand cubes are as fast as spikes which tagged Kinshiki that only takes a swing? While Sasori has to move finger and use mental commands before the cubes even move?



LOL..





Intelligence doesn't mean u can constantly physically manoeuvre around waves of attacks fast enough to tag Kinshiki who's tiers faster than u.




She's not blitzing nor is she taking his sword. Katsuyu gets its head cut off from the neck just like i told Rasta and if she splits then Chojuro launches waves of crystal spikes while Sakura's in free-fall. She isn't outlasting with Byakugo if she gets tagged by Bone mutilation or touched by a chakra-wave.

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Because Chojuro uses Bone mutilation with a sword swing , Sakura's shock-wave punch doesn't reach 5m.

Lmao what? She literally was dodging sasori's attacks by just observing his finger movements and predicting his next attacks and you are saying she would have problems doing thr same with a big ass sword? Get the f out of here

 

[TheEvilOne]

Pretty sure Sakura was dodging his puppets as well, not just the sand cubes. This is a feat both Chiyo and Sasori found impressive.

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

Yep and Kurotsuchi, Darui, and Chojuro are stronger than 6-Gates Lee in CQC too

He said in combat not cq combat

 

[Team7monaa]

Nope , he used the blade swiftly and effectively as a kid and used fast chakra wave sending swings as an adult. Chakra use is irrelvant. Sasori's attacks are not Chojuro's attacks. His attacks dont have better speed feats than Chojuro's and are not the same unless u think giant Iron sand cubes are as fast as spikes which tagged Kinshiki that only takes a swing? While Sasori has to move finger and use mental commands before the cubes even move?

How is chakra irrelevant when the sword’s shape manifests itself with chakra, which if Chojuro overuses he will exhausts himself. What I was trying to state is that if Sakura could analyse the movements of someone who had to move their puppet around and send out assaults of iron sand what stops her from realising Chojuro is quite useless without his weapon and literally grabbing his sword and throwing it away?

If the girl wasn’t able to parry attacks from an MS user she could most definitely get a hold of his big ass sword.

Intelligence doesn't mean u can constantly physically manoeuvre around waves of attacks fast enough to tag Kinshiki who's tiers faster than u.

Then what, Sakura has continuous regeneration, unless Chojuro decides to behead or bisect her he hasn’t got chance of taking her out with “tactical assaults” she’ll see through.

She's not blitzing nor is she taking his sword. Katsuyu gets its head cut off from the neck just like i told Rasta and if she splits then Chojuro launches waves of crystal spikes while Sakura's in free-fall. She isn't outlasting with Byakugo if she gets tagged by Bone mutilation or touched by a chakra-wave.

If Sakura a moving ninja who was taught evasion decides to let herself free-fall from her summoning or the fact you assume that she’ll be on top of Katsuyu despite Chojuro being on ground-level is amusing, crystal spikes have no effect on Byakugō and Chojuro hasn’t shown the ability to use it so BS, if she gets tagged by Bone mutilation which Chojuro has landed successfully on a Momoshiki distracted by a demigod, like I’ve said time and time again.

Because Chojuro uses Bone mutilation with a sword swing , Sakura's shock-wave punch doesn't reach 5m.

5M and Sakura won’t react? Amusing especially considering it’s a close to mid-range Attack.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Don't know why this is still going on, It's already been proven that she can blitz him.

Adult sakura > Teen Sakura > Chakra hand > kinshiki/Adult sasuke/Adult naruto when it comes to speed and reactions. Nothing left to be said tbh.

Should have closed the thread after that

 

[neosmith500]

How is chakra irrelevant when the sword’s shape manifests itself with chakra, which if Chojuro overuses he will exhausts himself. What i’m trying to state here is that if Sakura could analyse the movements of someone who had to move their puppet around and send out assaults of iron sand what stops her from realising Chojuro is quite useless without his weapon and literally grabbing his sword and throwing it away? If the girl wasn’t able to parry attacks from an MS user she could most definitely get a hold of his big ass sword.

Its irrlevant because Chojuro wont come close to running out of Chakra here. Sakura could analyse the movements of giant ass cubes and puppets with lower combat ability than Chojuro. Doesn't translate to Sakura grabbing Chojuro's weapon away from him. WFT is this crap?

Then what, lol Sakura has continuous regeneration, unless Chojuro decides to behead or bisect her he hasn’t got chance of taking her out with “tactical assaults” she’ll see through.

Bone mutilation restricts movement so regen is irrelavnt. He kills afterwards if he tags her with a few of them.

If Sakura a moving ninja decides to let herself free-fall from her summoning or the fact you assume that she’ll be on top of Katsuyu despite Chojuro being on ground-level is amusing, crystal spikes have no effect on Byakugō and Chojuro hasn’t shown the ability to use it so BS, if she gets tagged by Bone mutilation which Chojuro has landed successfully on a Momoshiki distracted by a demigod, like I’ve said time and time again.

If she's standng on Katsuya then thats what happens. If she isn't and Sakura summons it infront herself then Chojuro sends a Chakra-wave the moment the smoke appears and slice through it where Sakura would be located before the slug does anything or knows wat hit it.

Chojuro's spikes were able to get to Kinshiki before he could sense them coming beforehand like he did the Chakra-wave. He lifted his head up after falling then failed to react to the attacks despite some piercing the ground beforehand which makes them harder to dodge than Chakra-waves. Still a good speed feat for Chojuro's projectiles despite it being used after Sasuke cut Kinshiki's blade, which doesn't really nerf his reaction and movement speed.

Chojuro's Chakra-waves also have a good speed feat. Kinshiki attacked Sasuke then blitzed towards him and was less than 5m away from Sasuke.

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Chojuro had to visually track Kinshiki to properly time his wave attack after Sasuke was attacked , and his wave was able to move from his sword and get to Kinshiki before he could attack Sasuke from barely 3m away which is a decent travel speed feat.

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5M and Sakura won’t react? Amusing especially considering it’s a close to mid-range Attack.

I said Sakura's attack doesn't reach 5m not Chojuro's.

 

[Avani]

You guys still at it?

As stated in Boruto, Chojuro is stronger when it come to combat ability.

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Chojuro wins.

By that logic Boruto > Shikamaru and rest of the Konoha nins already since he was one of those members in there. It's the same Shikamaruo who thought likes of Kiba, Sakura could kill Sasuke who was with BZ and Tobi to boot. He didn't bother to gather enough intel before planning.

Of course Kages are some of the best combatants from their respective villages. But it's not much use in versus threads. It's like grasping at straws since it's a polite cheer. So better keep it to actual arguments to support.

 

[neosmith500]

By that logic Boruto > Shikamaru and rest of the Konoha nins already since he was one of those members in there. Of course Kages are some of the best combatants from their respective villages. But it's not much use in versus threads. It's like grasping at straws. So better keep it to actual arguments.

Agreed with the bold just wish Sakura fans would do the same rather than mentioning old p2 feats that dont compare to Chojuro's and thinking it holds up. Also the only reason Boruto was there is due to invisble rasengan and the fact that Momo would underate him/it. Its clear Shika never included Boruto as a part of his notation.

I agree that the notation doesn't mean everyone there is superior to everyone else in everything like speed and all that. Buts its clear that the ninja present operate on a combat ability level which gives them the ability to keep up with aliens who operate on the level of Otsuki by feats. So its funny hearing people say things like Chojuro cant keep up with Sakura in combat as if she operates close to or beyond that level.

 

[Avani]

Agreed with the bold just wish Sakura fans would do the same rather than mention old feats that dont compare to Chojuro's.

Let's not go in to what " character x" fans would do. It's nothing but derailing the thread. Because let me assure you that I can back it up with actual data and screens shots how the Sakura hate groups ran a sustained hate campaign- they actually made ranks based on it and encouraged each other to make more such posts and threads to rank up in hate. It's an example of one of the most screwed up behaviour and mentality. She is not a great character and written poorly. Yet the amount of salt thrown at her is highly disproportionate and often not even factually true. But based on deliberate distorted and vicious logic.

What you get from most people who exaggerate on Sakura's part are the ones reacting to that atmosphere. I have literally watched it unfolding here it over a period of time. People didn't use to hype Sakura this way before the haters group took over the site with that organized campaign. And I am not referring to Hinata club here. Some people joined that bandwagon when it got big enough and some were part of both. But not all of them.

Also the only reason Boruto was there is due to invisble rasengan and the fact that Momo would underate. Its clear Shika never included Boruto as a part of notation.

Shikamaru's also sent some of his friends like Sakura, kiba and sai to kill Sasuke who was accompanied by Tobi. Poor Asuma and his expectations.

I agree that the notation doesn't mean everyone there is superior to everyone else in everything like speed and all that. Buts its clear that the ninja present operate on a combat ability level which allows the best chance at surviving a battle against aliens who operate on the level of Otsuki. So its funny hearing people say things like Chojuro cant keep up with Sakura in combat.

I was not arguing that though. I just don't care for Shikamaru ever since his second failed attempt to secure/kill Sasuke with a flimsy plan while acting as if he knew what he was doing

. So you are making up arguments and then replying them by yourself.

 

[Askeladd]

By that logic Boruto > Shikamaru and rest of the Konoha nins already since he was one of those members in there.

That was Sasuke decision to take Boruto with them, did you miss their entire conversation :|

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Are you really surprised that the protagonist of the series is fighting the end boss, are you using that as argument to counter what Shikamaru said :elmo:

It's the same Shikamaruo who thought likes of Kiba, Sakura could kill Sasuke who was with BZ and Tobi to boot. He didn't bother to gather enough intel before planning.

I'm reading excuse, nothing else.

#Bold Are you saying that Shikamaru doesn't have enough intel about the 5 Kages and people like Sakura? Once again, I'm reading assumption not manga facts.. Should I remind you that Shikamaru is the Hokage assistant for YEARS, he know damn well what his comrades are capable of over the years.

Konohagakure also keep close contact with the others villages and their Kages as shown in the chapter 700.

Of course Kages are some of the best combatants from their respective villages. But it's not much use in versus threads. It's like grasping at straws since it's a polite cheer. So better keep it to actual arguments to support.

I just wanted to end this endless debate by posting an updated manga statement which confirm Chojuro is better than Sakura in combat abilities, there is nothing much to say.

 

[neosmith500]

Let's not go in to what " character x" fans would do. It's nothing but derailing the thread. Because let me assure you that I can back it up with actual data and screens shots how the Sakura hate groups ran a sustained hate campaign- they actually made ranks based on it and encouraged each other to make more such posts and threads to rank up in hate. It's an example of one of the most screwed up behaviour and mentality. She is not a great character and written poorly. Yet the amount of salt thrown at her is highly disproportionate and often not even factually true. But based on deliberate distorted and vicious logic.


What you get from most people who exaggerate on Sakura's part are the ones reacting to that atmosphere. I have literally watched it unfolding here it over a period of time. People didn't use to hype Sakura this way before the haters group took over the site with that organized campaign. And I am not referring to Hinata club here. Some people joined that bandwagon when it got big enough and some were part of both. But not all of them.

Wow...I agree:Omg:

Then Shikamaru's word dto kill Sasuke who was accompanied by Tobi.

LOL Shika at the time never knew anything about Sasuke or Tobi's full combat ability. Adult Shika would clearly know Sakura's combat ability over the years just as he knew of the Kage's.

I was not arguing that though. So you are making up arguments and then replying them by yourself.

I know u didn't , but clearly other people did which is why i said its funny seeing them say that. O_O