Tsunade vs SM Jiraiya (Taijutsu)

[Zetsu God]

Yes ofc if we consider Jiraiya always has to enter fusion SM to be able to use SM effectively which in turn gives him near unlimited senjutsu chakra. He could simply beat the shit out of Tsunade till she runs out of chakra. Though I doubt it'd take too long for her to use up all her chakra considering SM punches have enough strength to one shot the Pein bodies which were dead to begin with.

Fair enough, IMO what this matchup really comes down to is whose technique outlasts the other.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Fair enough, IMO what this matchup really comes down to is whose technique outlasts the other.

My bet is on fusion SM Jiraiya.

 

[Lord Tywin]

I'm personally on the fence. Do you think Frog Kata can surpass or outlast byakugou?



She doesn't have Katsuyu here according to OP though.



@ Bold: And Kisame.

Kisame is only bijuu level when he’s absorbing others chakra

 

[Joshutsu]

It's simple. You are trying to discredit ALL of her feats or always try to make her look less good.

Tsunade fought 5 Susano'os. Yes she got overpowered but who wasn't after fighting for a long period of time?

She was scored higher in chakra reserves than Jiraya as well. The Byakugou Seal contains enough chakra to open mutliple dimensions.

And you even went as far and used a rusty and out of chakra Version of Tsunade to make a point.

Mind telling you that Tsunade even landed a hit on one Susano'o and a Wood Clone created by Madara.

I love how people come for Tsunade offensively, but when the 5 kage needed someoen to pressure Madara with taijutsu they looked to her.

When Tsunade joined that fight she carried.. Jiraya even praised her combat ability in part 1. He would take caution.

OT: Without rasengan I think Tsunade can win it

 

[Warlocks]

with rasengan restricted SM Jiraiya cant win

 

[MightGai]

I love how people come for Tsunade offensively, but when the 5 kage needed someoen to pressure Madara with taijutsu they looked to her.

When Tsunade joined that fight she carried.. Jiraya even praised her combat ability in part 1. He would take caution.

OT: Without rasengan I think Tsunade can win it

They actually didn't, she rushed on her own due to byakugou. If any, Oonoki went to Ay for Taijutsu, not her.

 

[Joshutsu]

They actually didn't, she rushed on her own due to byakugou. If any, Oonoki went to Ay for Taijutsu, not her.

Not at all, they tried a double assault where Ay failed to do as much as she could even with weighted boulder used on him. Even then, she led that attack and they followed lol

They all stood back not moving a muscle as she took him on and delivered the blow to his chest. Are you telling me she can outspeed Ay now? All the time she was fighting after they thought she was dead again as well, no help from him lol She was even the one to intercept his katon :S

She definitely put in the work when she joined and was mostly backed up besides when they did 1v5.

 

[Team7monaa]

Rasengan dosen’t even cause major damage, especially not something that Byakugō can’t repair.

 

[MightGai]

Not at all, they tried a double assault where Ay failed to do as much as she could even with weighted boulder used on him. Even then, she led that attack and they followed lol

They all stood back not moving a muscle as she took him on and delivered the blow to his chest. Are you telling me she can outspeed Ay now? All the time she was fighting after they thought she was dead again as well, no help from him lol She was even the one to intercept his katon :S

She definitely put in the work when she joined and was mostly backed up besides when they did 1v5.

If that's the case then why didn't oonoki went to her for lightened weight? :lol rushing the attack to get stabbed in the gut doesn't say much about her taijutsu tbh.

Not at all, also remember that the punch was to a clone, the real madara Stabbed her afterwards. Madara never took that fight seriously, he mentions it a couple of times in said fight, and once more when he tells BZ to go back to obito's body cause he wanted to "test" or measure or something the kages. Also Mei intercepted his Katon with her Suiton, doesn't prove much though.

So far all the feats of Tsunade regarding Taijutsu boils down to "she lead the attack" (someone had to, and seeing how the fight went I wouldn't mention it too often :lol), "he punched his clone" or something among those lines. You can't seriously hope that he can beat someone with Senjutsu just with that. Also, forgetting that Orochimaru did receive a full blow to his chin in her fight, and was alive and kicking like nothing, picture what would happen if someone with the enhanced defense Senjutsu gives receives the same punch.

In the end, as explained by Fukasaku, someone with Senjutsu will win the long fight due to using external chakra. Tsunade will eventually run out of chakra to heal herself (also, she was drained from healing 5 people with the Byakugou, so it's not like she can fight indefinitely) while Jiraiya just have to keep his cool to win.

 

[MightGai]

Not that it really matters, but even Madara acknowledges that Oonoki's the one leading them, with his inspirational speech and all, and the problem that needs to be removed first.

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[InfiniteMugen]

In a taijutsu fight if sm is unlimited j man takes it, tsunade is good at taijutsu but i don’t think she can bypass sm sensing, so it’s pretty much a waiting game, technically he should be able to ping pong her around in sm but byakugo kinda negates that

 

[Joshutsu]

If that's the case then why didn't oonoki went to her for lightened weight? :lol rushing the attack to get stabbed in the gut doesn't say much about her taijutsu tbh.

Not at all, also remember that the punch was to a clone, the real madara Stabbed her afterwards. Madara never took that fight seriously, he mentions it a couple of times in said fight, and once more when he tells BZ to go back to obito's body cause he wanted to "test" or measure or something the kages. Also Mei intercepted his Katon with her Suiton, doesn't prove much though.

So far all the feats of Tsunade regarding Taijutsu boils down to "she lead the attack" (someone had to, and seeing how the fight went I wouldn't mention it too often :lol), "he punched his clone" or something among those lines. You can't seriously hope that he can beat someone with Senjutsu just with that. Also, forgetting that Orochimaru did receive a full blow to his chin in her fight, and was alive and kicking like nothing, picture what would happen if someone with the enhanced defense Senjutsu gives receives the same punch.

In the end, as explained by Fukasaku, someone with Senjutsu will win the long fight due to using external chakra. Tsunade will eventually run out of chakra to heal herself (also, she was drained from healing 5 people with the Byakugou, so it's not like she can fight indefinitely) while Jiraiya just have to keep his cool to win.

Yes, she led taijutsu offense, just like Mei led jutsu to deflect or assis, Gaara dealt with sealing. Oonoki did his Jinton here and there. Onoki didn't help her because she didn't need it

They all had a role, I don't care about the unecessary details of how said fight went in your head. She led the taijutsu offense. That's cold hard in the manga. We must not give Naruto's feats with frog kata to Jiraya :S

 

[Edogawa]

In a taijutsu fight if sm is unlimited j man takes it, tsunade is good at taijutsu but i don’t think she can bypass sm sensing, so it’s pretty much a waiting game, technically he should be able to ping pong her around in sm but byakugo kinda negates that

There is no such thing called unlimited SM. He takes in Natural Energy and balances it with his own Chakra; if he runs out of Chakra, he can't use SM anymore because he can't balance Natural Energy with something he ran out of.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

There is no such thing called unlimited SM. He takes in Natural Energy and balances it with his own Chakra; if he runs out of Chakra, he can't use SM anymore because he can't balance Natural Energy with something he ran out of.

Lol seriously? I’m sorry I didn’t spoon feed how jiraiya stays in sm so you could properly understand and randomly quote my post.

 

[FemmeFatale]

You can’t kill Tsunade with Taijutsu unless you’re Gai. But since Jiraiya has rasengan he splatters Tsunade’s brain all over the field

Gai doesn't have the feats to deafeat Tsunade in Taijutsu, her regeneration is faster than Madara's. And quite frankly her strength is about equal to the force he creates in the 8th gate as seen with sakura damaging the durable Kaguya.

Tsunade litterally kill him. Jiraiya no matter the form would engage Tsunade in direct hand to hand combat.
That frog shit isn't reaching her, when her punch can create vortexs. Tsunade literallly waved her arm and detflect madara's most power fire ball.

 

[Joshutsu]

There is no such thing called unlimited SM. He takes in Natural Energy and balances it with his own Chakra; if he runs out of Chakra, he can't use SM anymore because he can't balance Natural Energy with something he ran out of.

Exactly this ^

IDK why ppl think the toads grant him infinite SM, even they were telling him he needs to learn to use it on his own.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Exactly this ^

IDK why ppl think the toads grant him infinite SM, even they were telling him he needs to learn to use it on his own.

They can keep him in sm while gathering ne, thus the question, it’s a hypothetical taijutsu only match up, So in the hypothetical match up are they continually keeping him in sm? That’s the reason for the “unlimited”... i really didn’t think it would be that confusing, like obviously no one has unlimited sm

 

[Lord Tywin]

Gai doesn't have the feats to deafeat Tsunade in Taijutsu, her regeneration is faster than Madara's. And quite frankly her strength is about equal to the force he creates in the 8th gate as seen with sakura damaging the durable Kaguya.

Tsunade litterally kill him. Jiraiya no matter the form would engage Tsunade in direct hand to hand combat.
That frog shit isn't reaching her, when her punch can create vortexs. Tsunade literallly waved her arm and detflect madara's most power fire ball.

Im not gonna take the bait

agreed that Tsunade destroys Jiraiya in Taijutsu

 

[FemmeFatale]

Im not gonna take the bait

agreed that Tsunade destroys Jiraiya in Taijutsu

<3

Good.
He even said so in the manga.

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[Lord Tywin]