Is there anyone who can tank Eight Trigrams 64 Palms?

[Made in Heaven]

Thsi isn’t about Byakugō Tsunade survived being split in half and her Byakugō was not activated, so her chakra network was severed but she still managed to summon Katsuyu and use chakra.

Chakra network being severed from the waste down doesn't equate to having the whole Chakra network shut down. Just like with Sasuke having his arm severed or Madara having half of his body blasted away by Gai.

 

[unknownvillain1254]

Thsi isn’t about Byakugō Tsunade survived being split in half and her Byakugō was not activated, so her chakra network was severed but she still managed to summon Katsuyu and use chakra.

But she still had access to her chakra which if the difference

 

[Vulpini]

Anyone can survive it.

If the technique is used by a Hyuga who's actually strong, like Hanabi, Neji and Hiashi, it'll do some pretty serious damage on who's taking it.

But, if the technique is used by a regular Hyuga who couldn't even learn basic stuff like Rotation, it will not make much damage.

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

It's a buff that allows her to take hits and keep on going within seconds due to rapid regeneration. She can tire though. I'm well aware of how the jutsu works. So don't come around here picking at straws with me.

Regeneration isn't even the the reason she can potentially best the 64 palm. But I assume since you're acting like you know the most you know why I say that regeneration isn't the key so let's see if you can figure out why.

You mean her special chakra stored in her forehead is seperate from her chakra point driven chakra, right?

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

Anyone can survive it.

But, if the technique is used by a Hyuga who's actually strong, like Hanabi, Neji and Hiashi, it'll do some pretty serious damage on who's taking it.

But, if the technique is used by a regular Hyuga who couldn't even learn basic stuff like Rotation, it will not make much damage.

Thats pretty biased , my friend. You saw the fight and read the statements stated by kakashi and guy, right?

 

[Joshutsu]

And the difference between Yin Seal and Kurama is that the latter is a separate being which we literally see Naruto calling out to jelp him undo his sealed Chakra points.



No it wouldn't, Yin Seal is more like Curse Seal than it is like Kurama. and they wouldn't be able to mold and pump as you put it with their chakra points closed to begin with.



Key difference is a separate consciousness, just like with Genjutsu.


Volume doesn't matter since Hinata used 64 Palms on a Juubi Clone which would naturally have Rikudo Chakra.

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Not only is Naruto directing TALKING to Kurama to give him power, but Kurama also refers to this, saying that Naruto always came to him whenever something came up he couldn’t handle. It likely isn’t the type of Chakra that did that, since, like I said before, we see Hinata use the 64 Palms on a Juubi Clone, so it seems likely that instead its because Kurama is his own being that he was able to help Naruto, and not the TYPE of Chakra.

Naruto had to depend on another individual, another being with Chakra, to open his Chakra Points. Whereas Sakura would be depending on nothing more than a seal, so it can’t be said for certain that this would work. Naruto and Kurama are treated like two people fighting at once, such as how Kurama’s always providing Naruto with Chakra. Same way how Bijuus snap users out of Genjutsu because they act as a separate individual with their own Chakra network, same goes for undoing closed Chakra Points. This is the most sensible explanation imo. Obviously its not the potency of Chakra, since we saw Hinata close off the points of a Juubi Clone. Likewise, it’s unlikely that it’s merely because its a separate Chakra source/seal, since we see that Naruto has to ask Kurama to give him the Chakra, meaning another individual has to deliberately and willingly pump the victim of Gentle Fist with chakra, something Sakura wouldn’t be able to do since her Yin Seal doesn’t house a conscious being.

I have to disagree, just bacause Naruto's secondary chakra pool is a living being doesn't mean a non living secondary chakra pool that has it's own already molded chakra cannot perform in the same manner unless you can prove otherwise.

The byakugo seal is S-rank and Orochimaru's is A-rank. Orochimaru's seal is not a chakra reserve either, it's a chakra receiver.

That juubi clone doesn't have a secondary reserve of chakra that Hinata attacked.

The seal that Naruto has holding Kurama is chakra based as well and Kurama is a chakra entity. His having a conscience vs byakugo which doesn't means little to me. Especially since im talking from a case of byakugo already being activated. It wouldn't work if it happened before they activated it because it takes a little chakra to open it. Once it's open though, they don't have to think about it.

It operates on it's own in that mode, proven by the fact Tsunade was unsure of the level of chakra left inside of it when it took her by surprise it had run out. Compared to ninja being aware of when they are nearing their limit with their base reserves.

Didn't read the rest... i'm lazy today and it's probably stuff that isn't relevant beyond explaining how kurama has a mind of his own.

Not trying to convince you to be on my side. It's just what I think based on key differences I notice.

 

[Joshutsu]

You mean her special chakra stored in her forehead is seperate from her chakra point driven chakra, right?

Bingo, and it's already molded. Meaning it doesn't have to be manipulated like if she was trying to use a jutsu with her base reserves. Similar to Kurama molding a large volume of chakra and pushing it through Naruto's chakra network to unblock the closed chakra points.

Just my opinion. Maybe one day we will see the truth. I would admit my wrong and move on like always. At least, allow me to have my opinion as well.

 

[Cariostar]

... Tank is a weird term in this case, given that nobody without a cloak or some kind of defense would come without damage from an attack that ignores conventional durability (AFAK, tank means take little to no damage from an attack)

However, most of Jinchurikis should be able of break out of its effects, don't know who else could.

 

[Sakazuki]

No one can tank it. This coming from an uchiha fan. Anyone who says otherwise is mad. The law has always been established since part 1. One cannot train his inner body, coincidently this technique affects the inner coil system which is surrounded by organs, in turn a single attack destroys someone like third raikage. It passes chakra through the body of the victim, not actually hit the victim physically, hence why it's called gentle fist, a fist (not really a fist) which is gentle in its attack. The point is not to deliver outer damage, hence durability becomes useless in front of hyugas.

Edit: oh I forgot about hidan and orochimaru. And might guy in his eight gate red dragon mode, which is his soul + chakra emitting from his body. In Night guy mode where there is no chakra point to block, since all his chakra and soul are outside, he might actually tank it.

Where did kishi say it was his soul. You make up so much stuff lmfaoo

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

Where did kishi say it was his soul. You make up so much stuff lmfaoo

If it is not his soul, what is it then? He doesnt have bijuu chakra to convert his chakra into red colour. Databook states his chakra and blood combine to form into that dragon. Blood comes from his heart, heart contains his soul.

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

Bingo, and it's already molded. Meaning it doesn't have to be manipulated like if she was trying to use a jutsu with her base reserves. Similar to Kurama molding a large volume of chakra and pushing it through Naruto's chakra network to unblock the closed chakra points.

Just my opinion. Maybe one day we will see the truth. I would admit my wrong and move on like always. At least, allow me to have my opinion as well.

I think its possible.

 

[rinnegan human puppet]

Plot bro plot

jesus, I’ve never seen so many red bars.

 

[neosmith500]

Wait, was it stated that the Rasenshurekin can bypass the skin/durability like the Gentle Fist? I understand that it can harm the Chakra Network but that doesn't mean that it has all the aspects of Jyuken. So how does him being able to FRS proves that he can tank Jyuken?

No in regards to bypassing durability but it obviously bypasses skin with its tiny wind blades. But the chakra being manipulated into tiny wind blades would make it a purely physical attack , unlike Jyuken where the Chakra is sent through the Tenketsu in a state where it just flows through the skin an isn't formed into something physical like a blade.

So ur right , Rasenshuriekn cannot exactly be compared to Jyuken as its purely physical in nature while Jyuken is more similar to the method of breaking someone from Genjutsu by inserting Chakra. I dont think 3rd Raikage's skin durability would prevent a partner from channeling Chakra into his skin similar to Onoki and Aye so yea 3rd Raikage likely doesn't tank it at all.

In regards to Raiton armor tanking it im not sure. Chidori is actually meant to increase attack power and penetration , making it a purely physical attack , which again is much differnt from Gentle fist which works more closely to Gentjutsu partner method . What i think is likely to happen is this , the hyuga would strike the chest , but his finger/palm would not breach the Raiton armor meaning it wouldn't physically make it to Aye's raw skin like Chidori did.

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But the Jyuken Chakra would still fly through the armor to Aye from the initial strike , the same way Neji sent his own chakra through Hinata's metal headband which was on her neck , and had it travel to her lower torso as if he touched her directly.

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Jyuken does affect Chakra different from purely physical attacks so its likely the Chakra could flow through Raiton chakra.

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

No in regards to bypassing durability but it obviously bypasses skin with its tiny wind blades. But the chakra being manipulated in changed into tiny wind blades making it purely physical , unlike Jyuken where the Chakra is sent through the Tenketsu in a state where it just flows through the skin.

So ur right , Rasenshuriekn cannot be compared with Jyuken as it purely physical in nature while Jyuken is more similar to the method of breaking someone from Genjutsu by inserting Chakra. I dont think 3rd Raikage's skin durability would prevent a partner from channeling Chakra into his skin similar to Onoki and Aye so yea 3rd Raikage likely doesn't tank it at all.

In regards to Raiton armor tanking it im not sure. Chidori is actually meant to increase attack power and penetration , making it a purely physical attack , which is differnt from Gentle fist. What i think is likely to happen is this.. The hyuga would strike at the chest , but his finger would not breach the Raiton armor meaning it wouldn't make it to Aye's raw skin like Chidori did..

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But the Jyuken Chakra would still fly through Aye the same Neji sent chakra through Hinata's headband which was on her neck , and had it travel into he lower torso.

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Jyuken does affect Chakra different from purely physical attacks so yea maybe i was wrong..

Kidomaru was surprised about jyuken blocking a physical attack with chakra. Which means normally chakra cant be physical. Which means chakra emitted from chakra points are melded with physical energy, enough to block physical attacks from phasing through.

 

[kiiro]

WTF with the people?

It is not about amount of chakra to be able to tank it. I would rather say it is about chakra control. Like Tobirama when he was pinpointed down with the black stabs from Madara yet he could still perform some jutsus unlike Hashirama.

So Ninjas with high level chakra control can find a way to move their chakra even with the chakra system blocked in some points.

 

[Jinrou]

Suigetsu come to mind...

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

WTF with the people?

It is not about amount of chakra to be able to tank it. I would rather say it is about chakra control. Like Tobirama when he was pinpointed down with the black stabs from Madara yet he could still perform some jutsus unlike Hashirama.

So Ninjas with high level chakra control can find a way to move their chakra even with the chakra system blocked in some points.

Black rods disrupt chakra, not block chakra points.

Suigetsu come to mind...

By that logic, white zetsu can tank gentle fist.

 

[Jinrou]

By that logic, white zetsu can tank gentle fist.

How so? I said suigetsu because i think he simply liquefies before he gets touched.

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

How so? I said suigetsu because i think he simply liquefies before he gets touched.

Suigetsu water has all the mechanisms of his body, he was holding his Kubikiribocho with his hand converted into water, so it isnt normal water. It still has chakra points.