Ability Swap. Sasuke and Naruto
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Or you dont know how to comprehend? How is my paragraph an excuse when hinata's dad has stated neji mastered main branch jutsu without anyone teaching him bcuz he is a genius? Keep denying. Jutsu mastery = talent = intellect.
That's perfectly plausible. He had a full month of training to do that. Sasuke never trained any of those techniques. They came at instinct. Its the same thing with Obito, he awakened his Mangekyou and used Kamui immediately despite not even knowing what it was or how it worked. You're taking loose statements and interpreting them as you will.
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You can argue all you want, but, Mangekyou techniques coming at instinct is a manga fact. Simple as that.
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Training will do shit if an authorized teacher didnt teach that technique to neji. Its like saying lee can learn raiton element technique without being capable of using basic ninjutsu. Everyone needs to be taught. And the ones called "natural geniuses" had an impressive level of intellect to compromise thier lack of teacher attention. I never said disagreed MS cant be learned in a second or even a nanosecond, the only thing that matters is faster the rate a person learns a certain ninjutsu, higher his/her intellect. Loose statements are only said by you, nothing in the manga is a loose statement, dont misunderstand your fanfic for manga fact just because it doesnt appeal to your feelings. Neji mastering main branch technique without anyone teaching him is a fact. Unlike your reaching statements. Though I expect more of that from you.
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Instinctive reaction isn't the same as self taught Naruto's IQ is his downfall in that department.
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Self learned by highly devoloped intellects, the more higher, the more faster and more effectively they use it in battle, you've to imply your knowledge in practical, right? Which neji, a dojutsu user could do because of his analytic and judgemental abilities which is intellect greatness.
You underestimate Naruto. His teen self, sure, I can see where you get that from...but that was half a lifetime ago. Naruto runs an entire Ninja Village now. Intellectually, he is no less capable than Sasuke.
You are aware I never once tried debating the idea of Neji learning those Jyuken moves by himself, no?
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I'm afraid your over estimating Naruto, he has help from Shikamaru(who is at least as intelligent as Sasuke if not more) and Sai among others and an army of shadow clones.
Ultimately though, he is still the leader of the village, as well as the ruling authority among the five Kage. He is no idiot. Not anymore.
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Oh wait, naruto himself admitted inferiority to sasuke in terms of intellect even after recieving "Understanding of all things" from hagoromo so where does that put him? He's clearly below Sasuke who himself couldnt use the rinnegan in the get-go even though he didnt get his "intellect" handed to him by SO6P like was the case with naruto yet naruto himself admitted inferiority. Intellect is the necessity to use dojutsu to its fullest my friend, as was the case with sasuke(rinnegan), case with danzo(sharingan, whom tobi said was weaker than sasuke in using his eyes effectively and in clear observation, which is a trait of intelligence in narutoverse) and as was with the case of neji. All im telling is naruto wouldnt use it as effectively as say, shikamaru or sasuke or nagato or madara whom all are the geniuses of thier generation. Which is exactly why thier respective avatars "chose" to transmigrate in them.
My point is that he didn't need to take the time to learn all that, which is why he used it from the get go. His Rinnegan being underdeveloped is inconsequential seeing as he was able to do all that despite it.
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Like I said, naturally intelligent people would always make better and effective use of dojutsu in battle. Even the databook states it.
SM is apart of Naruto's non Kurama based power which is why i didnt give Sasuke RSM or BSM
So if you look at it from PURE power then yes. But from an application stand point its not nonsense.
Naruto WITHOUT BM or RSM lacks the speed of which Sasuke is capable of attaining in his base form.
However Sasuke gains the chakra cloak and destructive capabilities of BM mode.
This is why I didn't give sasuke RSM
You then have to factor in intelligence which Kurama helped Naruto out a lot.
With this said my questions are:
Is Base Naruto with Rinnengan/EMS faster or = to BM/RSM Naruto in speed?
Is Rinne/EMS naruto = to BM Sasuke in terms of power output?
I dont believe Naruto will be as effective with Rinne/EMS as Sasuke would be with BM. But this is why I made this thread.
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Depends on the ability. the Mangekyou unlocks them all but usage /control may depend on the person.
For example:
Obito's Kamui seems to act instinctively almost like an immediate reaction to a threat almost like (Flench or cringe). However when he first unlocked it he seemed to not be able to solidify.
However, susanoo was achieved through Sasuke's darker decent. And he "Tested" his other eye to achieve control of black flames "enton"
Im curious if Naruto would be capable of Susanoo.
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