KCM vs EMS Speed

[MightGai]

And is disagree with you here, EMS and above isnt going to be hit by KCM. EMS is reaction speed is too fast for that.

Why not? if that would be the case then Sasuke should be pretty much untouchable after getting Itachi's eyes by pretty much 90% of narutoverse. I mean even in the final fight with Naruto while using his rinnegan got hit by mere clones without chakra cloak. Or even Madara when Naruto dodged his limbo and threw the Lava Rasenshuriken. The attack itself ain't blindingly fast, and still hit Madara with Rinnegan and all. It certainly gives an advantage, but by no means EMS and above makes one dodge every attack from KCM and below.

 

[AlphaMaleLion]

Why not? if that would be the case then Sasuke should be pretty much untouchable after getting Itachi's eyes by pretty much 90% of narutoverse. I mean even in the final fight with Naruto while using his rinnegan got hit by mere clones without chakra cloak. Or even Madara when Naruto dodged his limbo and threw the Lava Rasenshuriken. The attack itself ain't blindingly fast, and still hit Madara with Rinnegan and all. It certainly gives an advantage, but by no means EMS and above makes one dodge every attack from KCM and below.

When Naruto dodged Madara he was in RSM.
Make it BSM Naruto VS EMS Sasuke and Naruto would dodge everything EMS Sasuke throws at him.

Hashirama couldnt do shit against EMS Madara if he wasnt SM. But ok Hashirama was OP(Madara also)

 

[MightGai]

When Naruto dodged Madara he was in RSM.
Make it BSM Naruto VS EMS Sasuke and Naruto would dodge everything EMS Sasuke throws at him.

Hashirama couldnt do shit against EMS Madara if he wasnt SM. But ok Hashirama was OP(Madara also)

Actually I didn't mean Naruto dodging limbo, but the fact that Madara with EMS and above didn't dodge Naruto. I think that at that point he was actually in BSM (since there was no cloak arround him and by the + pattern of his eyes) and still hit Madara with an attack that certainly is not insanely fast. Also keep in mind that Madara could fly (and was flying actually) so the chance to dodge was there, but he didn't.

That's why I would rather have Gai's speed than EMS or KCM for example.

 

[AlphaMaleLion]

Actually I didn't mean Naruto dodging limbo, but the fact that Madara with EMS and above didn't dodge Naruto. I think that at that point he was actually in BSM (since there was no cloak arround him and by the + pattern of his eyes) and still hit Madara with an attack that certainly is not insanely fast. Also keep in mind that Madara could fly (and was flying actually) so the chance to dodge was there, but he didn't.

That's why I would rather have Gai's speed than EMS or KCM for example.

Dude 8th gai speed was faster than EMS or KCM obviously , but he wouldve died from that attack , its a suïcide tech . Gai became one of the fastest, he bended fuc in space. And Naruto had already the rikudou chakra when madara was recovering from gai his attack. He was recovering. Thats why Naruto used his lava attack. And you said it was not that fast? Every rikudou attack is fast, lava or not.

 

[sayian]

Warp the space around doesn't validate gai as the fastest, if it did then only gai would had perceived the bend of space instead of madara. Six paths characters are faster.

Since when any version of the Sharingan gave the user speed?

Databook includes reaction as a type of speed. Basically a sudden tweak to heightened dexterity when the eye or mind is more refined due to chakra.