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And chakra is a spiritual object.
Gaara's sand is made of chakra and Onoki's techique is chakra based technique
Susanoo Users Lose To Bansho Tenin
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Gaara's sand is made of chakra and Onoki's techique is chakra based technique
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Did i there is no chakra involved? Chakra + spirit , what's so hard to understand in that? Why do you think no shinobi ever used a spiritual technique by itself to destroy or pull a user from Susanoo? Gaara and onoki added thier spiritual techniques , mei added her kekkei genkai spiritual techniques. Lava alone didnt do shit to a tired fractured fatigued unformed lowest level ribcage in the scan i posted earlier on. You're simply in denial at this point. Mei had full intent to kill so she used full power in that lava technique. So its officially proven two spiritual techniques (which also use chakra, dont misunderstand me again) should work in unison to pull a susanoo user or break his/her susanoo. Like onoki combined efforts with A and used his lighweight rock technique on him to break it. Never was it stated susanoo was chakra in manga, your clinging onto a db statement yet there is so much proof susanoo isnt chakra and also the chakra statement was implying to the armour of susanoo so dont take it out of context.
If nagato can use ST and BT together, in theory he should be able to pull a user out. It's the same concept many people used how ftg can beat susano. But since it didn't happen in cannon, unfortunately you can only use this thread for personal satisfaction and not in debates.
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You're right. Ftg cannot come inside susanoo. Shinra tensei and bansho ten'in wouldnt work since two spiritual jutsus should work in combo to rip the user out or destroy susanoo. Ftg is normal ninjutsu, it cannot inside a spiritual being like susanoo or gaara wouldve used his normal sand to come inside and grab madara which he couldnt do. Proving my analysis correct.
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It does suppress chakra, what are you talking about? And Gaara cannot manipulate sand without chakra either, the sand was put on top of the susano'o to weigh it down while pulling madara away from it.
It has nothing to do with suppressing chakra as you have been suggesting. All gaara did was pin susano with sand and pull madara out of it with sand. In theory nagato can do that too by using ST on susano and BT on user (if he can use those jutsus at the same time). Stop with this suppressing chakra when there is no evidence to support your claim. Ohnoki only lightened sand to make it faster, nothing else. Stop complicating simple things just coz you said something that you have to defend now.
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I hope you realize that gaara's sand pinning downing Susano'o is his chakra suppressing chakra right? Gaara's sand is chakra, he will not be able to hold down the susano'o if it was not chakra. So just drop this bansho tenin theory of yours because you cannot separate chakra from chakra. It is that simple to understand, it's really not that complicated.
@bold, for real? Sand held susano in it's place for a moment when gaara pulled madara out. Is it that hard to understand? Next you will say TBB damages susano because it's chakra against chakra, wood dragon is able to fight susano because it's chakra vs chakra. Mei's mist can melt susano because it's chakra vs chakra. Oh i forgot, danzo can bust out susano coz it's chakra vs chakra. Everything in NV is chakra based. ST and BT also use chakra. Or are you unaware of it?
@bold 2, who said anything about separating chakra from chakra? it's user from susano. Susano is not even normal chakra as it can't be absorbed via preta. It's a spiritual entity. I guess too hard for you. Don't make me regret quoting you now.
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why didnt gaara do it alone by gathering sand from underneath madara and pulling him out? Without onoki's help? You do know gaara can control all the sand in the desert right? Like he did in kimimaro fight? He couldnt do because he needed another spiritual jutsu to accompany him since there are two MS eyes in which susanoo resides , so two spiritual jutsus are necessary to tackle it and break or pull the user out. Why didnt onoki use jinton? Bcuz jinton doesnt work. Onoki needed tsunade's yin seal chakra to pull the feat, he could never do it alone. To break susanoo , two spiritual jutsu should be combined like seen with gaara and onoki lighted rock combo or two KKG must work in unison and attack or a kekkei mora which contains three elements must be combined with yang chakra as in the case of tsunade giving her yang chakra to onoki to perform jinton. He could never use jinton alone and destroy susanoo even though jinton in theory only needs to touch the opponent to disintegrate it.
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So is it really that hard for you to comprehend that Gaara's sand is chakra huh? It's literally a kekkai genkai that also holds the properties to suppress chakra. So wtf did you think Grand Sand Mausoleum Seal is suppose to do? Create a worm nice sand bed?
The sand wouldn't even be holding down susano'o in the first place if it was not being suppressed.
Shinra tensei and Bansho tenin are magnetic forces (force is not chakra) that don't have the properties of suppressing chakra. So wtf is your damage right now? Well?
Susano'o is chakra and who the hell said that it couldn't be absorbed by Gaikido? Don't start with this nonsense right now.
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Except i didn't.
I have no idea where this is coming from. Show proof of this spirituality or it's meaningless to debate on this so lets call it a day.
Sand has chakra suppressing properties? Kindly show a scan. Every edo that gaara sealed using sand, he had to use a sealing tag or jutsu afterwards. Sand itself is just sand manipulated with chakra.
@bold, a sealing jutsu. That's like saying since minato can use sealing jutsu, his rasengan can also seal people. Come on man.
And if you think sand can hold down susano with whatever voodoo you are babbling about then it can't. Gaara only managed to hold susano by surprising madara for minimal time to pull him out of it. Otherwise susano shits on that suppressing sand any day.
Finally preta can absorb susano? I guess nagato beats EMS madara then XD stop it man.
Dude, I don't know what manga you're reading. Sand has no suppression properties apart from a sealing Jutsu he incorporates to seal Edo's. There is no Chakra suppressing Susanoo for the last time. The sand went underneath Susanoo and dragged Madara out of it using Onoki's light weight Jutsu. You're complicating yourself with all of this.
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To put it simple....you're wrongggggg.
The user of the Banshō Ten'in is nothing more than a magnet that draws or pushes something. In other words, he or she doesn't choose what to pull in. That's unless now you want to make a case for magnets drawing things they choose?
This tried (and failed) argument has been used over and over again since 2013 and it would for the best to put it to bed.
The user of the Banshō Ten'in is nothing more than a magnet that draws or pushes something. In other words, he or she doesn't choose what to pull in. That's unless now you want to make a case for magnets drawing things they choose?
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This tried (and failed) argument has been used over and over again since 2013 and it would for the best to put it to bed.
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Yet onoki couldnt pulverize without lightening it with lighted rock jutsu and tsunade's help. Stay in denial and say susanoo is chakra and be pulled with bansho except there is no proof whatsoever to support your claim .