Team Speed vs Team Zombie

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Team Speed: KCM Minato, 7 Gates Gai, 4th Raikage Ay w/ backpack Onoki

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Team Zombie: DSM Kabuto w/ Edo Nagato and Edo Itachi

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Location: Bee/Naruto vs Nagato/Itachi
Intel: Full
Distance: 50 meters
Restrictions: Edo regen, Yata Mirror, 8th Gate, Onoki is only allowed to adjust Raikage's weight. Kabuto can not summon other Edo Tensei.
Scenario 2:Minato gives Ay and Gai Kyubi cloaks​
 
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Why with backpack, this was a fair fight before that lmao Kabuto's speed isn't as impressive out in the open and all they can really do is hide behind Yata here. If they can destroy the CT core than this should be a win for team one.
 

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V4 Susanoo blocks any hit from Ay and pretty much anyone that doesn't have a jutsu on the level of COFRS. Then Nagato and Kabuto end them with White Rage followed by a strong enough Shinra Tensei, or Itachi cleans them up with Susanoo while they are paralyzed.

Team mid diffs in every scenario.
 

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Edo Nagato as in "I need to use summons to move" Nagato?. At any rate, speed is of the essence, if Nagato cannot regen, he's not going to last long hoping his summons will dodge for him. And eventually 3 vs 2 will be too much for the other team, specially if they don't have a nuke to drop on the other team in hopes of hitting anything.
 

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Universal pull + White Rage + Amaterasu = Dead team speed.


Team Zombie wins regarless A cannot defeat Kabuto with punches alone. Nagato still beats Minato. Itachi > Gai.

Also no restrictions on Manda 2 He wrecks Havoc here hell Team Zombie can go in on summonings alone lol.
 

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Nagato clears in all scenarios. The team has no answer to CT
 

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Scenario 1: Team Speed would take this, the only issue is sealing them but they'll win this. Logically speaking, Kabuto couldn't (or at least couldn't finish) react/(reacting) to a lightened Ay mentally as soon as he was approached here in the bottom left( --> )matter of fact none of these guys would be able to when EMS Madara, a sensor was already showing signs of failing to follow them here as well in both the top left and bottom left of this scan . Then you have 7G Gai who's faster than his comrades here based on his feats again JJ Madara, add KCM Minato with his Kage clones( Have in mind Naruto's own was capable to keeping up with the Third Raikage in terms of speed). That's insane for the other team, if Gai approaches anyone here from the get-go, then it becomes one down two to go instantly --It could even be the same case with a Lightened Ay. It's death, the team could pull so much with such speed.

- Visual Genjutsu and Sound Genjutsu is practically useless against team 1. You have Gai who has his own counters to Genjutsu already through the Gates inflicting continuous pain and his ability to combat the Sharingan. You have Minato who has Kage level clones, who can sense the build up and it has been shown in the Manga that Genjutsu tends to have 0 effects on clones and doesn't prevent them from being active in the real world (middle scan) . This also makes sound genjutsu useless since they all fall under the same category except for the method(Vision and Sound) in which it is passed. Then you have a lightened Ay who has insane speed and held his own against MS Sasuke, plus the fact that he has Onoki who can always break the Genjutsu via adjusting his weight which is an interruption, technically. Either way there are counters -- Kimmimaro's attacks, those bones are getting past who? Maybe Gai alone but the bones don't have so much when it comes to feats. Ay isn't getting killed from that when he can be lightened but his body as well is pretty durable, Same with KCM Minato but then he can always summon Gamabunta whose sword would do the dirty work in a similar manner stopping it, even with Minato's teleportation and ability to tag his teammates, it's helps a lot in terms of evading techniques, E.g A lightened Ay can take flight to evade the bones, Minato can teleport both himself and Gai to his position evading it. Matter of fact Naruto could end this with an FRS, Kidomaru? Neji at a young was evading his webs in the middle let alone these guys here. No one is getting hit by Amaterasu for obvious reasons.


- Kabuto's attacks are made useless here, with intel especially. Attacks like white rage can be prevented via destroying the orb before the actual effect takes place. Then you consider the fact that Kabuto has to liquefy his inside during this is enough to prove that he can be affected if he doesn't do such, meaning his teammates would be affected by this so using it in the first place isn't that much of a good choice. The location isn't exactly favorable for Muki Tensei and it's a short range technique, in a short range I don't think the opponents would be sitting around waiting to be hit and giving him the opening to do so but then at the same time, Minato has chakra arms to protect his opponent similar to what Itachi did to Sasuke, in case you doubt how large chakra arms could get, there you go . Plus with the the Raikage's durability, I don't see him getting stabbed necessarily, same with Minato especially when people in the past have given good reasons as to why Edo bodies seems to be less durable than original bodies. Nagato hasn't shown much that suggest he'll be blowing the speedsters with Shinra Tensei via a reaction. Even with Kage level clones to exploit the 5 second interval , he's a dead man. When Nagato used BT on Kakashi, he was still capable of pulling out his chain physically --> , I don't know why that won't stop Gai from using a hand sign for Hirudora which is incredibly fast and with the force of BT, even faster when it's aimed at Nagato. Then realistically if he pulls anyone, he can always be intercepted by a clone stopping the Jutsu. CT gets destroyed by Hirudora, intel enables then destroy the Orb before it gets stronger. CST is a bad idea for so many reasons I can't begin to name. Are mini Katsuya's more durable than KCM Minato and Ay? Are the chakra arms capable of protecting them against an attack that leaves Nagato useless for most likely the whole fight due to not doing anything? He had to summon his own bodies out the village is that a smart move to use around his teammates?

- Itachi's Susano'o gets destroyed. A single Hirudora destroyed Madara's V3 Susano'o at Gai's limit, considering Gai showed feats, incredible feats in the War Arc and Juubi Arc enabling one to believe he can use this muliplte times(Hirudora, coming from a weakened state as seen with Ten Ten and Lee- Multiple EE- Night Gai, then we have early feats before and when he battled Madara and Obito in the gates) and I can't see Itachi's Susano'o withstanding every single AT thrown at it. Even a single punch of a weighted Ay's at close range put a hole in Madara's V3 which is already above Itachi's V3. Then you imagine multiple of that at the same spot considering we have the fact that Sasuke's already weakened Ribcage could further be damaged by Ay's chop. Point being a weakened Susano'o is more vulnerable to stronger attacks. Then you have AT's plus multiple Rasengan from multiple clones in his KCM state. Susano'o gets destroyed eventually with these three combines attacks, it's only use in this battle is for defense because it's never touching anyone here ever. The ability to redirect techniques thrown at them back once he tags Susano'o from the get-go, making any offensive attack thrown at him back at it.

I don't know what else but I go with team speed. Scenario 2 is the same unless the Yata hyperbole applies.
 
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V4 Susanoo blocks any hit from Ay and pretty much anyone that doesn't have a jutsu on the level of COFRS. Then Nagato and Kabuto end them with White Rage followed by a strong enough Shinra Tensei, or Itachi cleans them up with Susanoo while they are paralyzed.

Team mid diffs in every scenario.

Wanted to point a few things out:

-V4 can tank Ay’s weighted punch easily, but what about over and over and over again? Enough punches will shatter Susanoo, and without Yata to reflect the damage the combined force of the hits will eventually break through the V4 armour, then Hirudora destroys V3.

-Is Minato teleporting Susanoo away from Itachi a viable strategy? I’ve seen both sides to this argument but don’t remember where you stand on it.

-With full intel they can destroy the White Rage orb before it goes off.

Also, I updated Scenario 2.
 

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Wanted to point a few things out:

-V4 can tank Ay’s weighted punch easily, but what about over and over and over again? Enough punches will shatter Susanoo, and without Yata to reflect the damage the combined force of the hits will eventually break through the V4 armour, then Hirudora destroys V3.

-Is Minato teleporting Susanoo away from Itachi a viable strategy? I’ve seen both sides to this argument but don’t remember where you stand on it.

-With full intel they can destroy the White Rage orb before it goes off.

Also, I updated Scenario 2.

-True, but Nagato and Kabuto have ways to neutralize them before that even happens.

-Honestly both sides have good argumentation behind them, but as of now I'm gonna go ahead and say no as it is the safest most likely answer. Even then, Nagato and Kabuto wouldn't let him approach.

-How? Onoki is banned and physical attacks won't work.
 

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Zombie wins. Hidan & Kakuzu are one of the best combos in the manga.
 

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-True, but Nagato and Kabuto have ways to neutralize them before that even happens.

How?

-Honestly both sides have good argumentation behind them, but as of now I'm gonna go ahead and say no as it is the safest most likely answer. Even then, Nagato and Kabuto wouldn't let him approach.

It should be possible...just doesn’t seem realistic. Anyway how do they keep minato at bay

-How? Onoki is banned and physical attacks won't work.

-Hirudora
-Asakujaku
-Rasengan
-Ay’s punches

There’s no reason why physical attacks wouldn’t work
 

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Zombie wins. Hidan & Kakuzu are one of the best combos in the manga.

Dumbass didnt read the OP.


OP :team speed wins most problems are Ftg'd away from and TBH, i don't see anyone on team zombie having the ability to track something EMS madara failed to. Can't even camp in susanoo
 

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Edo Nagato as in "I need to use summons to move" Nagato?. At any rate, speed is of the essence, if Nagato cannot regen, he's not going to last long hoping his summons will dodge for him. And eventually 3 vs 2 will be too much for the other team, specially if they don't have a nuke to drop on the other team in hopes of hitting anything.

His immobilization isn't an issue when shared vision, sensing and his defence more than makes up for his crippled legs. KCM Naruto and Bee failed to blitz him, so Team 1 succumb to the same fate.

As for the topic, Nagato solos easily; having DSM Kabuto and ET Itachi is an overkill.

Speed is irrelevant because Nagato can take flight; he does that and speed isn't an issue anymore, because their speed combo is ineffective on air. Then it's a matter of mid-long range attacks. Bansho Tenin and Human Path solos Gai, Onoki and Ay. Minato's fighting style is useless, because of Nagato's wide-spread (CT or ST) attacks can easily demolish any area he can teleport to, and kills him in process.

Scenario 2 doesn't change anything. Cloaks get absorbed.
 

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Edo Nagato has a shot to solo the other team but with Itachi and Kabuto as backup, their team should win without to many problems
 

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When did Madara fail to track these clowns? Lol Sasuke tracked juubito who's much faster than Ei.
 

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His immobilization isn't an issue when shared vision, sensing and his defence more than makes up for his crippled legs. KCM Naruto and Bee failed to blitz him, so Team 1 succumb to the same fate.

As for the topic, Nagato solos easily; having DSM Kabuto and ET Itachi is an overkill.

Speed is irrelevant because Nagato can take flight; he does that and speed isn't an issue anymore, because their speed combo is ineffective on air. Then it's a matter of mid-long range attacks. Bansho Tenin and Human Path solos Gai, Onoki and Ay. Minato's fighting style is useless, because of Nagato's wide-spread (CT or ST) attacks can easily demolish any area he can teleport to, and kills him in process.

Scenario 2 doesn't change anything. Cloaks get absorbed.

Actually it's the other way arround, shared vision (with whom? since he's the only one with Rinnegan. Summons? They aren't as near as fast as any of the team speed members, let alone FTG) isn't a problem whatsoever since the time Itachi with mere kunais trumped that.

Hirudora takes down anything that's flying, both with the attack itself or the shockwave that follows, and Nagato cannot absorb either. It's a punch that at the very least has the speed of sound due to how it works (if we assume the physics in this particular case is accurate), and no summons from Nagato has been shown moving faster than that.

Being that Bansho ten'nin is not instant (or at least I don't remember it trapping someone that was moving at high speed), I wouldn't believe it would catch any of the three from the other team, and even if it does caugh Minato, he can either teleport away or use chakra hands of the Kyubi like Naruto did against Sasuke in the same situation.

Chibaku tensei is useless against someone that can teleport. Minato can teleport either when he's being absorbed into the core, after he has been absorbed (I doubt some rocks will crush him when he's in KCM) or whenever he wants actually. Range is not a problem for FTG, but it is for CT.
 

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Team zombie ****ing wrecks this shit.

Chikabu Tensei + Manda + Yata Mirror. Wtf can Team Shit do? They better run as fast as they can.
 

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Actually it's the other way arround, shared vision (with whom? since he's the only one with Rinnegan. Summons? They aren't as near as fast as any of the team speed members, let alone FTG) isn't a problem whatsoever since the time Itachi with mere kunais trumped that.

Itachi trumped that because he has Sharingan, worked for Nagato long time and unrivalled Shuriken Jutsu none of which Team Speed has, so they aren't doing anything to shared vision. As for your question; he can summon King of Hell and chameleon, which both are invisible and cannot be sensed by any means, and Nagato proceeds to create 2 extra faces via Asura Path giving him 5 better field of vision than normal, and amplified with his remarkable sensing shit on any speed attempt. I mean, KCM Naruto whose faster than Team 7 bar FTG couldn't blitz Rinnegan shared vision, so how are slower people accomplishing anything.

Hirudora takes down anything that's flying, both with the attack itself or the shockwave that follows, and Nagato cannot absorb either. It's a punch that at the very least has the speed of sound due to how it works (if we assume the physics in this particular case is accurate), and no summons from Nagato has been shown moving faster than that.

Like it took down Kisame, right? Lol. If Gai decides to use Hirudora which he only has one shot before exhausting himself, then Shinra Tensei repels it or he summons panda shield for it. Summoning Jutsu and Shinra Tensei are instant so it moves faster than Hirudora.

Being that Bansho ten'nin is not instant (or at least I don't remember it trapping someone that was moving at high speed), I wouldn't believe it would catch any of the three from the other team, and even if it does caugh Minato, he can either teleport away or use chakra hands of the Kyubi like Naruto did against Sasuke in the same situation.

Bansho Tenin is fast enough to pull KCM Naruto who is faster than Team Speed on foot, and latter couldn't resist its pulling force resorting to use Chakra Arm instead. Only one is Minato who can escape it, the rest can't. Bansho Tenin and Human Path combo end the rest, with Minato surviving and later stomped.

Chibaku tensei is useless against someone that can teleport. Minato can teleport either when he's being absorbed into the core, after he has been absorbed (I doubt some rocks will crush him when he's in KCM) or whenever he wants actually. Range is not a problem for FTG, but it is for CT.

Other way around, mate. Minato is limited to the area he can mark; without prep time, he can only mark range and with prep time he can mark an area a few meter wider than the Jubi, who is mountained sized. OP never clarified on Minato's prep time, and by feats he hasn't shown to mark an area greater than CT's range. Chibaku Tensei from an emaciated and Chakra & life-force deprived Nagato was shown absorb mountain range area, greater than anything Minato marked in the manga.

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Every kunai Minato threw around the battlefield is pulled, so where is teleporting to? Nowhere. If you say he's teleporting outside the matchup's location, then he loses by default.
 
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