Sasuke's speed issue.

[InfiniteMugen]

Minato definitely was not faster than Ay. Tobirama might have been faster than Madara though.

Shisui is definitely a speedster, but I'm not ready to put him on Minato or Tobirama's (moreso Minato since his Shunshin has feats and hype) level even without Hiraishin.

Wouldn’t ay saying that no one is faster than him since the 4th died prove that ay thought minato was faster than him?

 

[KidGamer65]

Wouldn’t ay saying that no one is faster than him since the 4th died prove that ay thought minato was faster than him?

Yeah, with Hiraishin. We were talking strictly Shunshin in that exchange.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Yeah, with Hiraishin. We were talking strictly Shunshin in that exchange.

Ah word I got you, fair enough

 

[Glad Of War]

"Reacting means evading dunderhead"

:lol Just when I think this kid can't post anything worse than what he's already posted. That on top of:

"Kishimoto is wrong and I am right"

"The databook is irrelevant"

"Everybody thought Hiraishin was movement"

"Hiraishin doesn't factor into the user's speed despite every character in this Manga along with the author disagreeing"

If I was arguing with someone who didn't have his head up his ass with an agenda to push this debate would've been over the moment that DB scan was posted. But no, not this little boy. He has to be right so anything that invalidates his claims is irrelevant. I guess is what happens when you let 11 yr old children get an a forum and expect them to be rational.

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<---- Knew he was teleporting.

But still:

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Knew he was teleporting, but still:

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Said he has a chance of countering him here despite Hiraishin, yet you argue that Minato was the fastest because of his reflexes alone outside of Hiraishin.

This post is all you'll get from now on if you continue to make dumb excuses. No need for me to entertain your BS any longer.



For the second time kiddo. Tsunade and B disagree with all you have to say. Now crawl back under that hole you love so much unless you have something intelligent to bring to the fold.

Odd, didn't get a notification for this.

Anyway, this will be my last response if you can't comprehend why Hirashin can't be regarded as speed. To begin, I don't consider my words more substantiable than Kishimoto's. They aren't even my words, as they are implications from the things advanced by the Databook. Secondly, I don't consider the Databook totally irrelevant. However, I do think

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; allowing us to take the Databook with a grain of salt. Thirdly, I didn't say everybody thought Hirashin was High speed movement. I said, most people. Clearly, Raikage is not amongst this people. It doesn't take rocket science to figure i clearly made Raikage an exception.

I argued Minato was the fastest solely with his reflexes, and in addition: Shunshin (I haven't stated this before). As Tobirama stated, Minato's Shunshin was greater than his. About Shunshin, I advanced the notion that Shunshin has been mistaken for Hirashin because they both have similar mode of movement. Case in point; Boruto calling Shunshin teleportation, when in fact it's simply High speed movement.

Finally, what started this is the idea Hirashin is speed because it's considered so in Narutoverse. With that logic, Obito's Kamui is speed because; just as Hirashin, it traverses the user from one point to another in space. Albeit, it's not instantaneous. Clearly, it has come to a point wherein your stance is erring for all the absurd implications it has created. Buuuut no, you're completely inclined to your point because, Kishimoto said so. If you call some of the things written down by the Databook, hyperbole, what's stopping me from rubbishing a part from the same thing, especially proven they don't make sense? Space-time movement? It basically mean gravitational movement.

About reaction speed; the scans you showed only further cement the factuality of my point. Example; Sasuke's Susanoo clearly had to move through a distance before it enshrouded him.

"What are you talking about with this "moving millimeters' nonsense?"

It simply means it doesn't matter the distance moved during reacting, even if its infinitesimal, it's still a distance, and thus can infer a speed value.

 

[KidGamer65]

Odd, didn't get a notification for this.

Anyway, this will be my last response if you can't comprehend why Hirashin can't be regarded as speed. To begin, I don't consider my words more substantiable than Kishimoto's. They aren't even my words, as they are implications from the things advanced by the Databook. Secondly, I don't consider the Databook totally irrelevant. However, I do think

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; allowing us to take the Databook with a grain of salt. Thirdly, I didn't say everybody thought Hirashin was High speed movement. I said, most people. Clearly, Raikage is not amongst this people. It doesn't take rocket science to figure i clearly made Raikage an exception.

I argued Minato was the fastest solely with his reflexes, and in addition: Shunshin (I haven't stated this before). As Tobirama stated, Minato's Shunshin was greater than his. About Shunshin, I advanced the notion that Shunshin has been mistaken for Hirashin because they both have similar mode of movement. Case in point; Boruto calling Shunshin teleportation, when in fact it's simply High speed movement.

Finally, what started this is the idea Hirashin is speed because it's considered so in Narutoverse. With that logic, Obito's Kamui is speed because; just as Hirashin, it traverses the user from one point to another in space. Albeit, it's not instantaneous. Clearly, it has come to a point wherein your stance is erring for all the absurd implications it has created. Buuuut no, you're completely inclined to your point because, Kishimoto said so. If you call some of the things written down by the Databook, hyperbole, what's stopping me from rubbishing a part from the same thing, especially proven they don't make sense? Space-time movement? It basically mean gravitational movement.

About reaction speed; the scans you showed only further cement the factuality of my point. Example; Sasuke's Susanoo clearly had to move through a distance before it enshrouded him.

"What are you talking about with this "moving millimeters' nonsense?"

It simply means it doesn't matter the distance moved during reacting, even if its infinitesimal, it's still a distance, and thus can infer a speed value.

-I don't care what you argued about Minato being the fastest with Shunshin and reflexes. It's irrelevant and the Manga disagrees as the several scans posted clearly show and state. End of story.

-I don't care about your views on what is and isn't speed. In the Naruto Manga Hiraishin is what makes Minato faster than Ay and everyone else in his era as the several scans posted clearly show and state. End of story.

-The bold is pure idiocy and you know it. You blatantly ignored Kamui (obviously because you know you can't refute it and want to save face), and the example is about Sasuke's reaction speed. Susanoo is not Sasuke nor does Susanoo move when formed. It simply forms.

Since you don't want to admit you are wrong for whatever reason I'll help you out and just accept your concession here since all you can do is repeat defeated arguments.

 

[DiamondxDust]

From what we've seen, I'd say Naruto's foot speed is slightly above Sasuke's. However, Sasuke makes up for this with Ameno which gives him a boost to his mobility in a fight. When comparing characters speed, instead of arguing what the definition of speed is, we should compare them through multiple definitions. Arguing what counts as speed is very subjective and takes away from the discussion. If we are talking about who can move around a battlefield faster, I would say they are about even in the long run.

 

[Glad Of War]

-I don't care what you argued about Minato being the fastest with Shunshin and reflexes. It's irrelevant and the Manga disagrees as the several scans posted clearly show and state. End of story.

-I don't care about your views on what is and isn't speed. In the Naruto Manga Hiraishin is what makes Minato faster than Ay and everyone else in his era as the several scans posted clearly show and state. End of story.

-The bold is pure idiocy and you know it. You blatantly ignored Kamui (obviously because you know you can't refute it and want to save face), and the example is about Sasuke's reaction speed. Susanoo is not Sasuke nor does Susanoo move when formed. It simply forms.

Since you don't want to admit you are wrong for whatever reason I'll help you out and just accept your concession here since all you can do is repeat defeated arguments.

Wrong about what?

Hirashin is not speed. Just because the Manga included the concept to formalise Minato's position on the speed chart of the verse, does it imply the opposite.

Naturally, when trying to prove a character is faster, a stats to stats association is required. Specifically, we compare their attack speed, combat speed, reaction speed, and travel speed. Hirashin does not fall in any of these aspects, hence it's not considered a part of speed.

Speaking of which; are you familiar with how debating works in general? Have you been to comicvine? Death Battle groups? If you have, you'll know Hirashin, or anything related to teleportation is not speed because it cannot cause for association. You've entirely predispose yourself to the Databook because it supports your points, whilst ignoring the contradiction created as a result.

I'll expect the usual response; "Kishi words is above all else." But then, when did Kishi, directly say Hirashin is speed?

"Susanoo is not Sasuke nor does Susanoo move when formed. It simply forms"

Right, because it covers Sasuke instantly.

 

[KidGamer65]

Wrong about what? Hirashin is not speed. Just because the Manga included the concept to formalise Minato's position on the speed chart of the verse, does it imply the opposite. Naturally, when trying to prove a character is faster, a stats to stats association is required. Specifically, we compare their attack speed, combat speed, reaction speed, and travel speed. Hirashin does not fall in any of these aspects, hence it's not considered a part of speed. Speaking of which; are you familiar with how debating works in general? Have you been to comicvine? Death Battle groups? If you have, you'll know Hirashin, or anything related to teleportation is not speed because it cannot cause for association. You've entirely predispose yourself to the Databook because it supports your points, whilst ignoring the contradiction created as a result.
I'll expect the usual response; "Kishi words is above all else." But then, when did Kishi, directly say Hirashin is speed?

"Susanoo is not Sasuke nor does Susanoo move when formed. It simply forms"

Right, because it covers Sasuke instantly.

If you want to discuss the Naruto Manga you’ll abide by the rules and concepts of said Manga. Otherwise you can stop quoting me as there’s nothing more to say to someone who ignores the laws of the Manga in favor of his own biased garbage.

The Manga puts Minato as the fastest man alive because of hiraishin, this it factors into speed. If you can’t deal with this stop responding like you said you would.

The Susanoo thing is irrelevant. Don’t quote me if you want to dodge every point that shits on your trash argumentation. Susanoos reaction speed is not what is being discussed nor does it move from point a to point b. It materializes. Whether or not it does so instantly is irrelevant.

 

[Glad Of War]

If you want to discuss the Naruto Manga you’ll abide by the rules and concepts of said Manga. Otherwise you can stop quoting me as there’s nothing more to say to someone who ignores the laws of the Manga in favor of his own biased garbage.

The Manga puts Minato as the fastest man alive because of hiraishin, this it factors into speed. If you can’t deal with this stop responding like you said you would.

The Susanoo thing is irrelevant. Don’t quote me if you want to dodge every point that shits on your trash argumentation. Susanoos reaction speed is not what is being discussed nor does it move from point a to point b. It materializes. Whether or not it does so instantly is irrelevant.

Expect it's not an absolute rule, and that's implying what you're saying is true. As shown there are characters who outright blitzed Minato, indicating they are faster than him. If Hirashin cemented Minato has the fastest character in the series prior; it makes the suggestion that anyone who's going to be faster than him needs to be faster than Hirashin, which is impossible because the latter is instantaneous. How you are ignoring all these absurd implications is beyond me.

Yes, the concepts of Naruto takes precedence over any other principle. However if the concepts seemed absurd in a grand scheme of things, I don't suppose it's expedient to accept it. Sasuke for example was able to read Haku's movement who was moving via reflection. At that point, it's entirely impossible for the likes of Sasuke to pick up a something moving at the speed of light, thus it was neglected and forwarded as an outlier.

"The Manga puts Minato as the fastest man alive because of hiraishin, this itfactors into speed."

Can I ask a question; Where do put Minato currently in the speed charts of Narutoverse?

"Susanoos reaction speed is not what is being discussed nor does it move from point a to point b. It materializes."

Susanoo is a part of Sasuke, thus anything it shows can be accounted for because Sasuke is going to use it again. Additionally, distance doesn't have to be from A to B. A distance can be in a form of a zigzag pattern or curved pattern. Before Susanoo materialises completely, it covers a distance.

 

[KidGamer65]

Expect it's not an absolute rule, and that's implying what you're saying is true. As shown there are characters who outright blitzed Minato, indicating they are faster than him. If Hirashin cemented Minato has the fastest character in the series prior; it makes the suggestion that anyone who's going to be faster than him needs to be faster than Hirashin, which is impossible because the latter is instantaneous. How you are ignoring all these absurd implications is beyond me.

Yes, the concepts of Naruto takes precedence over any other principle. However if the concepts seemed absurd in a grand scheme of things, I don't suppose it's expedient to accept it. Sasuke for example was able to read Haku's movement who was moving via reflection. At that point, it's entirely possible for the likes of Sasuke to pick up a something moving at the speed of light, thus it was neglected and forwarded as an outlier.

"The Manga puts Minato as the fastest man alive because of hiraishin, this itfactors into speed."

Can I ask a question; Where do put Minato currently in the speed charts of Narutoverse?

As far as this Manga yes it is. Simple as that. Bold is irrelevant for the simple fact that bold is not how Hiraishin is factored into Minato's speed. That is something I've had to tell you several times over.

Haku using his reflection as a medium of travel doesn't mean he can travel as fast as said reflection in the first place. Otherwise he wouldn't slow down when he used up his chakra. The only people who argued that Haku could move light speed are the people who don't know how his jutsu works. So this is a horrible horrible example.

And to answer your question, the only people faster than Minato are, Tobirama, Sasuke, Juubi Jinchuuriki and people physically on par with them. And please don't reply to me with this "They have to be faster than instant" nonsense.

Instant teleportation combined with reflexes determines a teleporter's speed. Not just reflexes. That's why Sasuke can be accurately stated to be faster than Naruto despite Naruto moving faster. Just like Minato was considered to be faster than Ay despite Ay being physically faster.

Juubito outsped Minato and cut his arm off despite Minato being able to "move" instantly. Thus Juubito is ranked above Minato despite Minato being able to teleport from A to B instantly. What comes after is not instant. Please read this over and over until it clicks before typing another post.

One thing is a fact. The Manga, it's characters and it's author, all use Hiraishin when talking about how fast Minato and Tobirama are. Thus it counts. It is really that simple.

 

[Glad Of War]

As far as this Manga yes it is. Simple as that. Bold is irrelevant for the simple fact that bold is not how Hiraishin is factored into Minato's speed. That is something I've had to tell you several times over.

Haku using his reflection as a medium of travel doesn't mean he can travel as fast as said reflection in the first place. Otherwise he wouldn't slow down when he used up his chakra. The only people who argued that Haku could move light speed are the people who don't know how his jutsu works. So this is a horrible horrible example.

And to answer your question, the only people faster than Minato are, Tobirama, Sasuke, Juubi Jinchuuriki and people physically on par with them. And please don't reply to me with this "They have to be faster than instant" nonsense.



Juubito outsped Minato and cut his arm off despite Minato being able to "move" instantly. Thus Juubito is ranked above Minato despite Minato being able to teleport from A to B instantly. What comes after is not instant. Please read this over and over until it clicks before typing another post.

One thing is a fact. The Manga, it's characters and it's author, all use Hiraishin when talking about how fast Minato and Tobirama are. Thus it counts. It is really that simple.

"Haku using his reflection as a medium of travel doesn't mean he can travel as fast as said reflection in the first place."

Let me get this straight; You're implying Haku's movement at that point is dependent solely on his ability, and not the reflection which acted as the medium? Obviously this is entirely wrong, and

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proves it. It's an ironic twist, because the Databook which you hold so dearly to literally states it's possible for Haku to move at the speed of light using his mirrors.

Now now, don't try and argue against this. The Databook already makes it claim. Yours is irrelevant. =D

"Instant teleportation combined with reflexes determines a teleporter's speed."

I expected this, which leads me to my next question. If Instant teleportation coupled with reflexes determines a person's speed, is this your way of saying someone with a superior reflexes than Minato is faster him regardless of the fact he moves instantly?

 

[KidGamer65]

"Haku using his reflection as a medium of travel doesn't mean he can travel as fast as said reflection in the first place."

Let me get this straight; You're implying Haku's movement at that point is dependent solely on his ability, and not the reflection which acted as the medium? Obviously this is entirely wrong, and

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proves it. It's an ironic twist, because the Databook which you hold so dearly to literally states it's possible for Haku to move at the speed of light using his mirrors.

Now now, don't try and argue against this. The Databook already makes it claim. Yours is irrelevant. =D

"Instant teleportation combined with reflexes determines a teleporter's speed."

I expected this, which leads me to my next question. If Instant teleportation coupled with reflexes determines a person's speed, is this your way of saying someone with a superior reflexes than Minato is faster him regardless of the fact he moves instantly?

Like I said, Hyperbole gets you nowhere, so let’s cut the shit already kiddo. Light speed is an exaggeration as Haku has been shown to not move at light speed. The DB states nothing that the Manga hasn’t. Idk why you keeping whining about the databook anyway. Both the Databook and the Manga show Minato was the fastest because of Hiraishin. If you aren’t going to give me a real reason why both Manga and DB lied about Hiraishin you can go complain about it to someone who wants to read it.

Nope. Ay has better reflexes yet admitted inferiority. If you are going to ask me stupid questions at least make sure the Manga hasn’t already answered them. The fact you asked this question in the first place shows me you don’t know to read.

Now I believe this is the part where you write a wall of text addressing a claim nobody ever made.

 

[KidGamer65]

If the reflection itself was why Haku could move as fast he does then Haku wouldn’t get slower as he loses power. You seriosly need to go rediscover your common sense before posting here again.

 

[Glad Of War]

Like I said, Hyperbole gets you nowhere, so let’s cut the shit already kiddo. Light speed is an exaggeration as Haku has been shown to not move at light speed. The DB states nothing that the Manga hasn’t. Idk why you keeping whining about the databook anyway. Both the Databook and the Manga show Minato was the fastest because of Hiraishin. If you aren’t going to give me a real reason why both Manga and DB lied about Hiraishin you can go complain about it to someone who wants to read it.

Nope. Ay has better reflexes yet admitted inferiority. If you are going to ask me stupid questions at least make sure the Manga hasn’t already answered them. The fact you asked this question in the first place shows me you don’t know to read.

Now I believe this is the part where you write a wall of text addressing a claim nobody ever made.

"Like I said, Hyperbole gets you nowhere, so let’s cut the shit already kiddo. Light speed is an exaggeration as Haku has been shown to not move at light speed."

Again, I expected this, which is why I prepared this rebuttal;

"The Databook saying it's possible for Haku to move at the speed of light via his mirrors is not hyperbole in this case. The reason is because Haku is moving through a medium/jutsu (mirrors), and not independently. This is similar to Mabui's heavenly transfer technique and Minato's Hirashin. Both Jutsu which allows their users to be transported at an incomprehensible speed."

"Nope. Ay has better reflexes yet admitted inferiority."

Actually Minato had better reflexes. But anyway in other not to extend this any more than it requires; let's put the question this way.

What criteria do you think is needed in other to be faster than Minato?

Faster reflex speed, and foot-speed I assume?

If the reflection itself was why Haku could move as fast he does then Haku wouldn’t get slower as he loses power. You seriosly need to go rediscover your common sense before posting here again.

Wow, are my eyes deceiving me, or are you trying to use common sense to go against what the Databook literally stated. This is going to cement you as a hypocrite on astronomical proportions.

"In an instant, multiple mirror of ice are created around the enemy, reflecting nothing but Haku"

"It's possible to move between (I.e reflection) this mirror at the speed of light."

 

[LordRaikage]

sasuke is the fastest

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Cool gif but naruto is faster.

 

[LordRaikage]

The Yellow Flash is the fastest in the series yet naruto was stated to be faster so you do the math.

 

[KidGamer65]

"Like I said, Hyperbole gets you nowhere, so let’s cut the shit already kiddo. Light speed is an exaggeration as Haku has been shown to not move at light speed."

Again, I expected this, which is why I prepared this rebuttal;

"The Databook saying it's possible for Haku to move at the speed of light via his mirrors is not hyperbole in this case. The reason is because Haku is moving through a medium/jutsu (mirrors), and not independently. This is similar to Mabui's heavenly transfer technique and Minato's Hirashin. Both Jutsu which allows their users to be transported at an incomprehensible speed."

"Nope. Ay has better reflexes yet admitted inferiority."

Actually Minato had better reflexes. But anyway in other not to extend this any more than it requires; let's put the question this way.

What criteria do you think is needed in other to be faster than Minato?

Faster reflex speed, and foot-speed I assume?



Wow, are my eyes deceiving me, or are you trying to use common sense to go against what the Databook literally stated. This is going to cement you as a hypocrite on astronomical proportions.

"In an instant, multiple mirror of ice are created around the enemy, reflecting nothing but Haku"

"It's possible to move between (I.e reflection) this mirror at the speed of light."

Your rebuttal is trash as expected. Hyperbole is an exaggeration. Haku being light speed has been shown to be an exaggeration as people too slow to react to light speed have countered him. That’s a fact so I don’t want to see you whine about double standards and hypocrisy until you support your claim that the databook lord when it said Hiraishin made Minato the yellow flash despite me having the manga on my side in addition to the databook while the manga contradicts your idiotic claim, You’ll get this exact paragraph copy and pasted until you provide something that warrants a new response.

As for the Minato and Ay comparison, how about you stop assuming things? When you assume things you are always wrong and end up looking foolish. What Obito displayed is the criteria. The ability to outspeed Minato and tag him before he can evade makes you faster. Obito attacked Minato and Minato got caught. You’re daft for assuming faster foot speed and reflexes is all it needs when Base Minato is inferior in both yet is faster than Ay. In foot speed more so.


And no. It’s stated that Raikage without Raiton had reflexes as fast as Minato. Thus Ay with raiton is superior. I’ll post a scan when I can. Try to post something that isn’t ridiculous in the mean time.

 

[Amenotejikara]

Speed = S/T

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yes and its canon unlike filler movie

They're equal :lol

 

[Glad Of War]

Your rebuttal is trash as expected. Hyperbole is an exaggeration. Haku being light speed has been shown to be an exaggeration as people too slow to react to light speed have countered him. That’s a fact so I don’t want to see you whine about double standards and hypocrisy until you support your claim that the databook lord when it said Hiraishin made Minato the yellow flash despite me having the manga on my side in addition to the databook while the manga contradicts your idiotic claim, You’ll get this exact paragraph copy and pasted until you provide something that warrants a new response.

As for the Minato and Ay comparison, how about you stop assuming things? When you assume things you are always wrong and end up looking foolish. What Obito displayed is the criteria. The ability to outspeed Minato and tag him before he can evade makes you faster. Obito attacked Minato and Minato got caught. You’re daft for assuming faster foot speed and reflexes is all it needs when Base Minato is inferior in both yet is faster than Ay. In foot speed more so.


And no. It’s stated that Raikage without Raiton had reflexes as fast as Minato. Thus Ay with raiton is superior. I’ll post a scan when I can. Try to post something that isn’t ridiculous in the mean time.

I swear, you come up with a lot of excuses, it's funny to see you try.

If Haku being Light speed is an exaggeration because people too slowed reacted to him; that's saying Hirashin isn't instant because Madara who is slower than instant reacted to Tobirama's thrust which the Databook stated was instant.

I should also add Sasuke perceiving his movement doesn't make the speed of said reflection an exaggeration/hyperbole. Instead, it implies Sasuke's action is an outlier considering it's impossible for him at that point to react to the speed of light. To exemplify this; there's a possibility Ao survived the Juubi-dama explosion. If peradventure it's shown he survived it directly, it wouldn't mean the destructive capability of the Juubi-dama explosion is an exaggeration. On the contrary, it only implies Ao surviving it is an outlier.

"The ability to outspeed Minato and tag him before he can evade makes you faster."

Basically you're saying having faster attack speed and combat speed makes you faster than him regardless of the fact he can move instantly?

Note in other to out-speed someone, it's required you must have faster attack speed and combat speed.

 

[KidGamer65]

I swear, you come up with a lot of excuses, it's funny to see you try.

If Haku being Light speed is an exaggeration because people too slowed reacted to him; that's saying Hirashin isn't instant because Madara who is slower than instant reacted to Tobirama's thrust which the Databook stated was instant.

I should also add Sasuke perceiving his movement doesn't make the speed of said reflection an exaggeration/hyperbole. Instead, it implies Sasuke's action is an outlier considering it's impossible for him at that point to react to the speed of light. To exemplify this; there's a possibility Ao survived the Juubi-dama explosion. If peradventure it's shown he survived it directly, it wouldn't mean the destructive capability of the Juubi-dama explosion is an exaggeration. On the contrary, it only implies Ao surviving it is an outlier.

"The ability to outspeed Minato and tag him before he can evade makes you faster."

Basically you're saying having faster attack speed and combat speed makes you faster than him regardless of the fact he can move instantly?

Note in other to out-speed someone, it's required you must have faster attack speed and combat speed.

Hyperbole is an exaggeration. Haku being light speed has been shown to be an exaggeration as people too slow to react to light speed have countered him. That’s a fact so I don’t want to see you whine about double standards and hypocrisy until you support your claim that the databook lord when it said Hiraishin made Minato the yellow flash despite me having the manga on my side in addition to the databook while the manga contradicts your idiotic claim, You’ll get this exact paragraph copy and pasted until you provide something that warrants a new response.

If you want to talk discrepancies show me the discrepancy between the Manga and the Databook for Hiraishin's entry or stop posting. That simple. Underlined is more that blatantly stupidity you've made yourself known for. Madara reacted to the attack after hiraishin, not Hiraishin itself which is what is instant. That second paragraph is more of that stupidity. This isn't mathematics. You don't take outliers and pretend like they didn't happen. Sasuke reacted, multiple times. People have reacted to Haku after he was revived and they don't move at light speed. Thus it is an exaggeration. How many pathetic excuses will you make? I thought you were done arguing 3 posts back? :lol

Nope. Ay is physically faster than him (which is what attack and combat speed are made of) yet Minato is still faster. We'll continue to do this until you stop being a tool and come up with the requirements yourself based on what I and the Manga have stated and shown. I can only dumb down this shit so much.