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Do you want me to RP style or non-RP style training?
While you ponder that, tell me what you currently know about the similarities and differences between the Narutoverse and Daoist canon regarding Yang nature. Post doesn't need to be long or short, just enough to convey to me you know what we're talking about.
While you ponder that, tell me what you currently know about the similarities and differences between the Narutoverse and Daoist canon regarding Yang nature. Post doesn't need to be long or short, just enough to convey to me you know what we're talking about.
I'm fine with non-RP style training.
I suppose the fact that Yin-Yang in the Narutoverse is rather absolute, whereas the philosophical idea of Yin-Yang is not so. Yang in the Narutoverse is used quite independently and sometimes even exclusively of Yin. In Daoism nothing is ever entirely Yang or Yin. There is also the evolving and changing nature of the Daoist Yang in opposition to the static Yang of the Narutoverse. I would also mention the difference between an, in the Narutoverse, physical energy with real impact on a battle and a philosophical concept.
Not that Daoism is one of my good fields...
I suppose the fact that Yin-Yang in the Narutoverse is rather absolute, whereas the philosophical idea of Yin-Yang is not so. Yang in the Narutoverse is used quite independently and sometimes even exclusively of Yin. In Daoism nothing is ever entirely Yang or Yin. There is also the evolving and changing nature of the Daoist Yang in opposition to the static Yang of the Narutoverse. I would also mention the difference between an, in the Narutoverse, physical energy with real impact on a battle and a philosophical concept.
Not that Daoism is one of my good fields...
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I wouldn't go as far as to say that Yin and Yang are independent of one another in the narutoverse.
In Daoist canon you will hear Yin and Yang discussed as "separate" entities, primarily in the properties that characterize them. I use quotations with separate because, the foundation is established that both Yin and Yang are dependent on one another to be what they are.
The same happens in the Narutoverse, once you've established that both entities are not mutually exclusive, you can go into how they are different from one another. We were given the explanation: all ninjutsu is a combination of physical and spiritual energy back in part 1. That was just an artistic way of saying Yin+Yang. From that point on, whenever talking about ninjutsu you know Yin and Yang natures are involved even if certain techniques are called "Yin Release" or "Yang release."
The main differences that I wanted to emphasize between daoist and narutoverse were some of the properties. For Yin, the characteristics are darkness, imagination, spirituality. For Yang, the key characteristic is vitality. Yang is a bit more restricted in this sense since there is very little room to expand on how to bring about life or augment the vitality of the already living. However, both Yin and Yang are very underwhelming in the narutoverse compared to the origin. The exposition for this power was very poor for the standards of most shonen. However, this wasn't all that consequential to the story itself, it's only people like us who want to adapt this idea for our own purposes that need it.
In daoist canon there are a shit ton of other properties involved in what constitutes Yin and Yang.
Here's something to confuse you if you'd like
Because of the amount of the ambiguity in both Yin and Yang in the Narutoverse, the powers that be (For NB's version) added non-conflicting properties to each side to give a better range of abilities.
In Daoist canon you will hear Yin and Yang discussed as "separate" entities, primarily in the properties that characterize them. I use quotations with separate because, the foundation is established that both Yin and Yang are dependent on one another to be what they are.
The same happens in the Narutoverse, once you've established that both entities are not mutually exclusive, you can go into how they are different from one another. We were given the explanation: all ninjutsu is a combination of physical and spiritual energy back in part 1. That was just an artistic way of saying Yin+Yang. From that point on, whenever talking about ninjutsu you know Yin and Yang natures are involved even if certain techniques are called "Yin Release" or "Yang release."
The main differences that I wanted to emphasize between daoist and narutoverse were some of the properties. For Yin, the characteristics are darkness, imagination, spirituality. For Yang, the key characteristic is vitality. Yang is a bit more restricted in this sense since there is very little room to expand on how to bring about life or augment the vitality of the already living. However, both Yin and Yang are very underwhelming in the narutoverse compared to the origin. The exposition for this power was very poor for the standards of most shonen. However, this wasn't all that consequential to the story itself, it's only people like us who want to adapt this idea for our own purposes that need it.
In daoist canon there are a shit ton of other properties involved in what constitutes Yin and Yang.
Here's something to confuse you if you'd like
In the narutoverse, Yin is associated with "creation." The creation of form from nothingness. Hagoromo did this with the Bijuu. The Bagua in Daoist canon associates creation with Yang. Qian, which is the denoted by three solid lines (Yang) is the creative force. Life and creation are essentially the same in this regard. Yin is the receptive field. I sort of think this is from an older notion of the man's seed being that which holds life and the womb of a woman is that which receives and incubates that life. The "Family" orientation of Yang is also the father and Yin is the mother (Qian and Kun respectively). However all of this can be ignored if you like.
Because of the amount of the ambiguity in both Yin and Yang in the Narutoverse, the powers that be (For NB's version) added non-conflicting properties to each side to give a better range of abilities.
I very much like the Narutoverse version of Yang. The simple, physical and vitality-bound properties of it appeal to me greatly. Philosophical properties aside it is these elements; that 'strength' and durability/vitality that draw me to Yang.
I hope the masculinity element only applies philosophically; I'm rolling female characters as of late.
I hope the masculinity element only applies philosophically; I'm rolling female characters as of late.
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Strength and durability are not inherent properties of Yang in the narutoverse. If anything, those are brought in to broaden the scope like I said. People associate taijutsu with Yang but that's only because the focus is the amount of stamina one needs to perform physical feats. However, the nature of taijutsu (just like in actual martial arts) is based on the style. Gentle Fist is by no means a Yang intensive style like Strong Fist (the names speak for themselves).
As for the gender specific natures of Yin and Yang, those aren't discussed in the Narutoverse and even philosophically, they aren't concrete. Naruto and Sasuke are both males but Sasuke exhibited Yin. I'm a Yin oriented player despite being male.
Just remember Yin and Yang exist within everything. You can be a woman with a high affinity to Yang, you can spin your femininity as your Yin component if you want.
For the sake of your training, the properties of Yang I want you to focus on are the ones described in the rule thread "Body, light, vitality and life." Everything about Yang in game revolves around those properties.
That makes sense. I think I just subconsciously likened all Taijutsu to Strong Fist because it's such a basic component of most canon Taijutsu techs, at least. But yeah, Taijutsu is, of course, an extremely wide-ranging umbrella term that covers a lot of very different styles and philosophies.
Everyone has an element of each within themselves. Got it.
Yeah, at least the actual, tangible ability-boosts, etc. So I suppose those are the things that were emphasized during the Staff's creative process with the rules.
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Right, so last thing before we get into the techniques will be the explanation of the bonuses and what not. Discussed the major properties in our NB canon Yang Release. You get 1k+ chakra to piss away and some moderate damage resistance.
Of course, this is only the case after you've completed training so for now you'll just need to settle with the 1750+ you get from Hago or whatever his bonus is.
We've established that Yin exists within Yang and all that jazz so when we go over our jutsu I'm going to be emphasizing where the duality would exist. However this is mainly because most of you Yang nuts are elitists and I don't want to give the satisfaction of you getting just Yang.
I will also probably pull things from LoK's training with Gobi and Jinbei to make sure we're both consistent.
Of course, this is only the case after you've completed training so for now you'll just need to settle with the 1750+ you get from Hago or whatever his bonus is.
We've established that Yin exists within Yang and all that jazz so when we go over our jutsu I'm going to be emphasizing where the duality would exist. However this is mainly because most of you Yang nuts are elitists and I don't want to give the satisfaction of you getting just Yang.
I will also probably pull things from LoK's training with Gobi and Jinbei to make sure we're both consistent.
Lol, a Yang nut, huh? Just because I like punching things instead of 'spooooooky illuuuuuuusions' doesn't mean I'm a nut. Sage of Yin, Sage of Yang; to each his own
But yeah, some extra chakra plus a passive resistance against low-ranked damage.
And don't worry about me getting 'just' Yang; I don't plan on having just Yang. Gotta get my two chakra constructs some day.
Cool beans. Consistency is important.
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If I did that you'd probably remains as poor in Yang as you are now. You'd have techniques yes, but I foresee complaints from people about misuse or abuse or something. I'd have to pull a Skorm on you and revoke stuff. I'd really like to minimize that sort of thing.It doesn't have to be like that. You could just post all the techniques in one go and I could pretend like I'm just polishing my skills
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You were lowkey right, we are actually on the first technique.
Alright so we're going to start from the top down
(Yoton: Jigoku ni henkō) - Yang Release: Change into Hell
Type: Supplementary
Rank: S-Rank
Range: Short
Chakra cost: N/A (+70, -10 per turn)
Damage points: N/A
Description: The user is able to use his Yang nature to embue life into an elemental technique, creating a Yang/Element sentient entity that will stay on the field to aid him. The only limit is the size of the technique originally used as an elemental source as the resulting entity will always be half the size. This entity can be interacted with, can act on its own and is made of the element sourced, with all its properties intact. Its strength is based on the original elemental technique used as a source. This doesn't consume time since its actually a skill applied to a technique used at the same time.
Note: Usable 2 times per battle and up to 4 times per event to create one entity with up to 300 chakra points that is able to use jutsu from the source it was created from.
Note: Yang Release masters can apply this technique to advanced fields and CE and advanced elements.
Things to not for logistic purposes. This technique is going to be reduced from 70 to 50. A pretty straight forward technique. However, I want you to tell me where the spiritual aspect of this technique comes in.
Alright so we're going to start from the top down
(Yoton: Jigoku ni henkō) - Yang Release: Change into Hell
Type: Supplementary
Rank: S-Rank
Range: Short
Chakra cost: N/A (+70, -10 per turn)
Damage points: N/A
Description: The user is able to use his Yang nature to embue life into an elemental technique, creating a Yang/Element sentient entity that will stay on the field to aid him. The only limit is the size of the technique originally used as an elemental source as the resulting entity will always be half the size. This entity can be interacted with, can act on its own and is made of the element sourced, with all its properties intact. Its strength is based on the original elemental technique used as a source. This doesn't consume time since its actually a skill applied to a technique used at the same time.
Note: Usable 2 times per battle and up to 4 times per event to create one entity with up to 300 chakra points that is able to use jutsu from the source it was created from.
Note: Yang Release masters can apply this technique to advanced fields and CE and advanced elements.
Things to not for logistic purposes. This technique is going to be reduced from 70 to 50. A pretty straight forward technique. However, I want you to tell me where the spiritual aspect of this technique comes in.
That depends on whether you mean spiritual as a philosophical term or as a concept of chakra applied in the context of the Narutoverse. For the former, I find the concept of imbuing a 'dead' elemental technique with life and sentience interesting. In effect you grant an object a 'soul,' with the ability to feel and think as a logical extension thereof. With regards to the latter, however, I am less full of ideas. I suppose the concept of spiritual energy, as one half of what constitutes 'normal' chakra, relates to Yang in that fashion, in that it also constitutes one half of a whole. Spiritual energy is also trained through studying, meditation and the accumulation of experience, which are components of thought, some more normal than others, in sentient beings.
...I guess?
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I don't mean philosophical so much as the actual make up of the jutsu. However, your answer regarding the "soul" would be the most apt for my question. Specifically since we will associate Yin with all things spiritual or mental.
I find it kind of ironic that the point of "life" this technique provides is the sentience and self awareness rather than physical components like physical vigor or actual animation. Everything about the idea of sentience is a mental or spiritual component, something the RP and NB says is governed by Yin.
Don't get me wrong, you can still use this technique on techniques that are normally stagnant. If you create pillars of stone you could use this technique and it would be able to move (within reason) after it was initially cast. This would fall more in line with the idea I mentioned before about animating the inanimate or providing physical vigor. Likewise, the fact that entities that have this jutsu used on it gain their own chakra (i.e vital energy - a piece LoK and I added mind you) is another way to show it's Yang or physical component.
My point, however, is that the piece about giving sentience to a non-sentient thing is akin to giving it a soul or mental being which is inherently Yin/spiritual.
Questions:
1) This is an Element + Yang Release technique; does this mean that the familiar or entity combined with this technique becomes neutral to/greater than basic elemental natures or does the technique maintain the same basic strengths and weaknesses?
2) Let's say you have the ability to make an A-rank water being from thin air and you use this technique. This creature can use water techniques up to what rank? Additionally if it has no water source other than itself does it have the ability to use water techniques that require a water source?
I find it kind of ironic that the point of "life" this technique provides is the sentience and self awareness rather than physical components like physical vigor or actual animation. Everything about the idea of sentience is a mental or spiritual component, something the RP and NB says is governed by Yin.
Don't get me wrong, you can still use this technique on techniques that are normally stagnant. If you create pillars of stone you could use this technique and it would be able to move (within reason) after it was initially cast. This would fall more in line with the idea I mentioned before about animating the inanimate or providing physical vigor. Likewise, the fact that entities that have this jutsu used on it gain their own chakra (i.e vital energy - a piece LoK and I added mind you) is another way to show it's Yang or physical component.
My point, however, is that the piece about giving sentience to a non-sentient thing is akin to giving it a soul or mental being which is inherently Yin/spiritual.
Questions:
1) This is an Element + Yang Release technique; does this mean that the familiar or entity combined with this technique becomes neutral to/greater than basic elemental natures or does the technique maintain the same basic strengths and weaknesses?
2) Let's say you have the ability to make an A-rank water being from thin air and you use this technique. This creature can use water techniques up to what rank? Additionally if it has no water source other than itself does it have the ability to use water techniques that require a water source?
Huh, good question. I'd say that unless otherwise specified the elemental technique retains its basic strengths and weaknesses.
I'd say A-ranked. As the technique states "Its strength is based on the original elemental technique used as a source."
Oh, yeah, I think that depends on the technique that made the water being to begin with. If it says so, then yes, if not then no. I guess it could be argued that it can use itself as a water source, but even if that's valid it'd be kind of a small water source if you're using a high-ranked tech, which are usually sizeable.
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You're correct, you will not be able to be able to use the base technique itself as a source for other techniques.
(Yoton: Ken'i) - Yang Release: Power of The Sun
Type: Supplementary
Rank: S-Rank
Range: Short
Chakra cost: 100 (50 per turn)
Damage points: N/A (+40 to Taijutsu)
Description: The user will reinforce his own body with Yang natured chakra, empowering his physical abilities to the outermost limits. This allows him to become physically very strong (beyond the normal levels of chakra enhanced strength), increases his resistance to physical damage (he becomes immune to A-rank physical damage from all sources), his speed (boosted to 3x his normal speed), and grants him a passive healing of all minor wounds (cuts, burns, small fractures, etc). However, by infusing himself with the Yang Nature, he becomes unable to use Yin Release techniques or Yin/Yang Release techniques; he cannot use Genjutsu or non elemental Ninjutsu of any kind (including special fields like Fuuinjutsu).
Note: Can only be used twice per battle and lasts 4 turns per use.
Questions?
(Yoton: Ken'i) - Yang Release: Power of The Sun
Type: Supplementary
Rank: S-Rank
Range: Short
Chakra cost: 100 (50 per turn)
Damage points: N/A (+40 to Taijutsu)
Description: The user will reinforce his own body with Yang natured chakra, empowering his physical abilities to the outermost limits. This allows him to become physically very strong (beyond the normal levels of chakra enhanced strength), increases his resistance to physical damage (he becomes immune to A-rank physical damage from all sources), his speed (boosted to 3x his normal speed), and grants him a passive healing of all minor wounds (cuts, burns, small fractures, etc). However, by infusing himself with the Yang Nature, he becomes unable to use Yin Release techniques or Yin/Yang Release techniques; he cannot use Genjutsu or non elemental Ninjutsu of any kind (including special fields like Fuuinjutsu).
Note: Can only be used twice per battle and lasts 4 turns per use.
Questions?