How did hashirama beat madara

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

He beat him hard

 

[Chikombo]

Excuse me?

Madara let Hashirama win because he had different plans.
Izanagi Good Game.

I think he used that as a last resort, I don't think he planned to let Hashirama live.

 

[Calpal]

the other senju werent helping him the first time, they were just there, as the clans typically had large scale skirmishes being the two main/strongest shinboi powers at the time.

Madara realized he was going to lose the second time, but already had a contingency plan ready when he realized it.

 

[Yahcob13]

Yes he's that much stronger than Madara its canon and it feels so good. Madara was an EMS user when he fought Hashi. Having an ems only means that he could use MS abilities without going blind. So it only makes him slightly stronger than an MS user. Throw in the possibility that he was using "Indra chakra" and it's safe to say that he was stronger than your average ems user would be which is godly compared to the average ninja but HASHI had the same amount or more chakra than the 9t. So Madara + 9t = base Hashirama. Once he went sage mode it was pretty much over with.

 

[Mori Jin]

Hashirama was just stronger.

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

Kishi was drunk at that point.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

For those who don’t know, madara used transcription seal izanagi, not straight up izanagi like Danzo was using, pay attention guys

Not saying it's wrong but was it you and many others that said that both these izanagi were the same?

We knew he beat Madara + Kyuubi even before we knew he had Sage mode. Before then it didn't make sense but later Kishi expanded on his powers. Basically, sage mode enhanced his CQC significantly and boosted his wood style capability. With that enhancement, his wood dragon and wood Buddha make him superior to Madara + susanoo enhanced kyuubi. GG

No he didn't, he was losing that fight until he used Sage mode. Just one tailed beast bomb alone destroyed his wood dragon and wood golem together. This after he put up Susano'o to protect the kyubi from its own blast.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Not saying it's wrong but was it you and many others that said that both these izanagi were the same?

No, I wasn’t, the izanagi part is the same. It’s just a sealed timed izanagi, I mentioned it because people where debating how out of chakra madara was if he used izanagi. Whatever circumstances or chakra needed for his izanagi where sealed away and only usable at the time izanagi was planned to activate

Ot: hey op is the 302 in your name a 5.0 reference?

 

[Styles]

Since nobody has provided the correct answer I'll go ahead and help you out.

Madara lost because he's just that much weaker than Hashirama. No, it did not take Senju ganging up on him for 24 hrs. Hashirama beat his ass after 24 hrs and Madara needed Kurama to match his power the second time around, and no, Izanagi would not have saved Madara as he did not have the chakra to maintain Sharingan in their last clash let alone the chakra to use Izanagi.

Could be wrong. But i don't think he was out of chakra at that time. I think he just deactivated it like Sasuke did vs Deidara. Then when he got stabbed he used a time delay Izanagi to fake his death(the scar kinda proves it wasn't before) tho the real question would be how long was he presumed dead before his Izanagi activated and used kage bunshin to replace his dead body.

 

[Warlocks]

cuz he was stronger

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

No, I wasn’t, the izanagi part is the same. It’s just a sealed timed izanagi, I mentioned it because people where debating how out of chakra madara was if he used izanagi. Whatever circumstances or chakra needed for his izanagi where sealed away and only usable at the time izanagi was planned to activate

Ot: hey op is the 302 in your name a 5.0 reference?

What do you mean izanagi part was the same? I remember a while back people argued that you didn't need senju half for izanagi and a few members argued that madara did the same izanagi as danzo. Weren't you one of those people?

 

[InfiniteMugen]

What do you mean izanagi part was the same? I remember a while back people argued that you didn't need senju half for izanagi and a few members argued that madara did the same izanagi as danzo. Weren't you one of those people?

The actual jutsu, the izanagi part, the rewriting of what happened? That’s the same. It’s the way they’re activated that’s different. Was I? I vaguely remember the thread, I couldn’t tell you what I said tho, that was like, quite a few months ago no?

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

The actual jutsu, the izanagi part, the rewriting of what happened? That’s the same. It’s the way they’re activated that’s different. Was I? I vaguely remember the thread, I couldn’t tell you what I said tho, that was like, quite a few months ago no?

It was in terms of requirement. To use the jutsu like any other ocular jutsu needed senju cells. The transcript was taught/installed into the eye without throuugh some unorthdox method so Madara could not use the transcript seal whenever he wanted like any other ocular doujutsu.

I thought you were one of the people that said he can use izanagi without senju cells in the same utilization as Danzo but then turned around in this thread and claim that he can't.

 

[adamhill302]

Plot protection for Hashirama.

That could be right

Excuse me?

Madara let Hashirama win because he had different plans.
Izanagi Good Game.

That's what I was stinking at first

Since nobody has provided the correct answer I'll go ahead and help you out.

Madara lost because he's just that much weaker than Hashirama. No, it did not take Senju ganging up on him for 24 hrs. Hashirama beat his ass after 24 hrs and Madara needed Kurama to match his power the second time around, and no, Izanagi would not have saved Madara as he did not have the chakra to maintain Sharingan in their last clash let alone the chakra to use Izanagi.

He got jumped he went into that fight alone when his clan betrayed him. He fought them all for the whole day. In the end he was surrounded by senju. That's why tobirama called him unstoppable.

Better question is how Hashirama managed to keep up in tai/kenjutsu with EMS. I know he had SM, but so does Naruto and his SM wasn't enough for EMS Sasuke, he needed Kyuubi and modes that contains kyuubi power. So either EMS Madara wasn't all that impressive in cqc or Hashirama's SM was that powerful.

blind madara destroyed sm naruto so that is a good point. He also took out some other ninja in the process the only one that could counter him was sasuke with his ems even Hashirama got put down. He did all this while blind only using his natural senses. In close combat is where he excels I think.

the other senju werent helping him the first time, they were just there, as the clans typically had large scale skirmishes being the two main/strongest shinboi powers at the time.

Madara realized he was going to lose the second time, but already had a contingency plan ready when he realized it.

Madara got jumped he went to fight by himself.

 

[Greatness23]

Since nobody has provided the correct answer I'll go ahead and help you out.

Madara lost because he's just that much weaker than Hashirama. No, it did not take Senju ganging up on him for 24 hrs. Hashirama beat his ass after 24 hrs and Madara needed Kurama to match his power the second time around, and no, Izanagi would not have saved Madara as he did not have the chakra to maintain Sharingan in their last clash let alone the chakra to use Izanagi.

Lmao, Madara literally used Izanagi and could have killed hashi had he wanted to. **** out here

 

[InfiniteMugen]

It was in terms of requirement. To use the jutsu like any other ocular jutsu needed senju cells. The transcript was taught/installed into the eye without throuugh some unorthdox method so Madara could not use the transcript seal whenever he wanted like any other ocular doujutsu.

I thought you were one of the people that said he can use izanagi without senju cells in the same utilization as Danzo but then turned around in this thread and claim that he can't.

He can use it once per eye, but he wanted to time it for his plan, what’s your point? If your so curious check the thread, although i don’t really care either way so your kinda chasing the ghost

 

[Edogawa]

Madara would have actually won, if he stayed outside of SS's range and started shooting the TBB blades. I guess the author wouldn't like it that way.

 

[Floydical]

No he didn't, he was losing that fight until he used Sage mode. Just one tailed beast bomb alone destroyed his wood dragon and wood golem together. This after he put up Susano'o to protect the kyubi from its own blast.

You clearly didn't read my post right.

I was stating the fact that the manga has a long history of telling us Hashirama > Madara. Do you recall a time when we had no idea Hashirama had Sage Mode? Back then, we were still told he defeated Madara, but we didn't know his full array of powers. What I said was that back then assuming Hashirama was stronger than Madara + Kyuubi was hard to conceive, but it made more sense once we learned he had SM. That was the only reason he could defeat a Madara + Susanoo encased Kyuubi.

 

[KidGamer65]

Lmao, Madara literally used Izanagi and could have killed hashi had he wanted to. **** out here

:lol Why don't you address the points made instead of being an echo? This was addressed. Try again.

That could be right

That's what I was stinking at first


He got jumped he went into that fight alone when his clan betrayed him. He fought them all for the whole day. In the end he was surrounded by senju. That's why tobirama called him unstoppable.

blind madara destroyed sm naruto so that is a good point. He also took out some other ninja in the process the only one that could counter him was sasuke with his ems even Hashirama got put down. He did all this while blind only using his natural senses. In close combat is where he excels I think.


Madara got jumped he went to fight by himself.

Wrong. What was shown is that Madara attacked Hashirama after gaining EMS and then the Senju were looking over a defeated Madara. Where does it state that the Senju ganged up on Madara? :lol Nowhere. Please stop making things up.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

You clearly didn't read my post right.

I was stating the fact that the manga has a long history of telling us Hashirama > Madara. Do you recall a time when we had no idea Hashirama had Sage Mode? Back then, we were still told he defeated Madara, but we didn't know his full array of powers. What I said was that back then assuming Hashirama was stronger than Madara + Kyuubi was hard to conceive, but it made more sense once we learned he had SM. That was the only reason he could defeat a Madara + Susanoo encased Kyuubi.

You're right that back then before Sage mode was told, but we were revealed that Hashirama had help from his wife. We also didn't know Madara had Susanoo either, we just assume that he was riding on top of the kyubi's head using its powers to fight Hashirama.

But on a side note: Hashirama being stronger than Madara+Susano'o encased with the kyubi is completely wrong otherwise Artifacts of the Buddha would've broke magic garb susanoo and kill the kyubi with Madara at the same time (which it didn't).