How did hashirama beat madara

[adamhill302]

How did hashi manage to beat madara. I mean it took the senju to gang up on him for a full day before he fell. Tobirama called him unstoppable. In their last fight madara had kurama so he should of had have no problem beating hashi but he lost. Is he just that much stronger than Madara

 

[salamander uchiha]

Plot protection for Hashirama.

 

[Belserion]

Excuse me?

Madara let Hashirama win because he had different plans.
Izanagi Good Game.

 

[minamoto]

by cheating and backstabing Madara in teh back like a fodder..

 

[KidGamer65]

Since nobody has provided the correct answer I'll go ahead and help you out.

Madara lost because he's just that much weaker than Hashirama. No, it did not take Senju ganging up on him for 24 hrs. Hashirama beat his ass after 24 hrs and Madara needed Kurama to match his power the second time around, and no, Izanagi would not have saved Madara as he did not have the chakra to maintain Sharingan in their last clash let alone the chakra to use Izanagi.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Since nobody has provided the correct answer I'll go ahead and help you out.

Madara lost because he's just that much weaker than Hashirama. No, it did not take Senju ganging up on him for 24 hrs. Hashirama beat his ass after 24 hrs and Madara needed Kurama to match his power the second time around, and no, Izanagi would not have saved Madara as he did not have the chakra to maintain Sharingan in their last clash let alone the chakra to use Izanagi.

So how it work later in a dead body with no chakra ?
Please enlighten us with the details.

 

[KidGamer65]

So how it work later in a dead body with no chakra ?
Please enlightwn us with the details.

Because it was pre-sealed into his eye. :lol Madara couldn't maintain Sharingan in the last clash. Don't even try to argue that he could've activated Izanagi. :lol

 

[AllKnowingShinobi]

its a goku and vegeta relationship. madara is always second best potential to be the best for only momentary

 

[salamander uchiha]

Because it was pre-sealed into his eye. :lol Madara couldn't maintain Sharingan in the last clash. Don't even try to argue that he could've activated Izanagi. :lol

So he presealed a jutsu which would activate with 0 chakra I don't think so, yet he didn't have chakra or the ability to seal it for the Hashi battle? I hope you see that fail now I must get back to :tea:

 

[KidGamer65]

So he presealed a jutsu which would activate with 0 chakra I don't think so, yet he didn't have chakra or the ability to seal it for the Hashi battle? I hope you see that fail now I must get back to :tea:

Since you seem to have no idea what we're talking about, as usual, I'll give you a rundown.

We're talking about Madara using Izanagi during the battle, which is factually impossible.

Him preparing it beforehand is not the same as the above. It's him needing prep in order to defeat Hashirama in battle. So if you are saying that Madara w/ Kurama and prep can beat Hashirama then yeah, I agree.

 

[SeveN797]

Better question is how Hashirama managed to keep up in tai/kenjutsu with EMS. I know he had SM, but so does Naruto and his SM wasn't enough for EMS Sasuke, he needed Kyuubi and modes that contains kyuubi power. So either EMS Madara wasn't all that impressive in cqc or Hashirama's SM was that powerful.

 

[KidGamer65]

Better question is how Hashirama managed to keep up in tai/kenjutsu with EMS. I know he had SM, but so does Naruto and his SM wasn't enough for EMS Sasuke, he needed Kyuubi and modes that contains kyuubi power. So either EMS Madara wasn't all that impressive in cqc or Hashirama's SM was that powerful.

Lmao or Hashirama's physical ability was just that good.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Since you seem to have no idea what we're talking about, as usual, I'll give you a rundown.

We're talking about Madara using Izanagi during the battle, which is factually impossible.

Him preparing it beforehand is not the same as the above. It's him needing prep in order to defeat Hashirama in battle. So if you are saying that Madara w/ Kurama and prep can beat Hashirama then yeah, I agree.

I think your missing the point I'm making a jutsu still requires chakra if madara set the izanagi in his eye he still would've had chakra necessary to use it.

Also it's never been stated izanagi has prep time or Madara didn't have the ability to cast the izanagi.

I know what your arguing and factually it's not impossible since the chakra exists for the jutsu to be used. That is unless Madara never intended to win.

And I disagree Madara wouldn't need kurama to beat Hashirama since it disappeared as fast as it appeared.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Using his wood.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

The senjus did gang up on Madara, Op is correct about that one though in all fairness Hashirama did not use Sage mode during that fight. But the most obvious answer in which why Madara lost to Hashirama is because Hashirama took his fire power away from him. Summoning jutsu. It's been done so much yet people don't pay attention to it so far.

Hashirama separating the kyubi from Madara is the only reason why he won that fight. After the massive clash with Hashirama, Madara's Magic garb was stripped away and so was Hashirama's Artifacts of the Buddha. Since the kyubi is the barrier of the 11 mountain biju bomb, Hashirama needed to take that away since Shinsusenjuu was done for in the clash.
wood style wooden golem doesn't stand a chance against one biju bomb so having a biju with superior amounts of chakra in that battlefield was the wises thing on Hashirama's part to make it a non factor. Making the fight equal for them to fight to the finish.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Madara maintaining the summoning also consumes huge amounts of chakra that itself is a double edge sword. My personal belief is that the Mokuton could absorb Sasanoo chakra and that allowed Hashirama to maintain the edge in chakra reserves during regular battles. That's why the second fight makes no sense. It could only be that he intended to go cqc and restrict the mokuton somehow.

That's why Hashirama winning makes no sense unless Madara intended to throw the fight.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

For those who don’t know, madara used transcription seal izanagi, not straight up izanagi like Danzo was using, pay attention guys

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

Madara didn't use his full power , he just wanted to collect hashirama's cells. But hashirama is still stronger than madara just not that big a difference. Even hashirama's strongest technique the buddha statue spirit , needed to deflect the nine tailed yasaka beads back at SusanoO to destroy it. Not just with it's own strength so I wouldn't say hashirama is so far apart from madara in strength. Pretty close.

 

[Floydical]

We knew he beat Madara + Kyuubi even before we knew he had Sage mode. Before then it didn't make sense but later Kishi expanded on his powers. Basically, sage mode enhanced his CQC significantly and boosted his wood style capability. With that enhancement, his wood dragon and wood Buddha make him superior to Madara + susanoo enhanced kyuubi. GG

 

[KidGamer65]

I think your missing the point I'm making a jutsu still requires chakra if madara set the izanagi in his eye he still would've had chakra necessary to use it.

Also it's never been stated izanagi has prep time or Madara didn't have the ability to cast the izanagi.

I know what your arguing and factually it's not impossible since the chakra exists for the jutsu to be used. That is unless Madara never intended to win.

And I disagree Madara wouldn't need kurama to beat Hashirama since it disappeared as fast as it appeared.

Like I said, he couldn't maintain Sharingan. There is no Izanagi without Sharingan. It's really that simple. Either you argue he prepares it for the battle or you don't argue it at all.

That's irrelevant. :lol Kurama added the power he lacked and not even you would be disingenuous enough to argue against that.