"Byakugan is greater than EMS by feats"

[Darth AniCetuS]

Now your making things up. Eyes and chakra are 2 different things. Ashura awKening bodily chakra which gave him power rivaling indra's is in reference to his chakra since Indra too had the powerful chakra gene. He has no answer to rival the dojutsu or occular powers. Hence the handout

That gene and the ability to produce that special chakra is the reason Indra or any sharingan user is able to use their doujutsu. And Hagoromo was referring to that only and nothing else. The handout excuse is what I find to be made up.

RSM/6PSM hasn't been demonstrated outside handout whereas PS has been. The equivalent of RSM/6PSM in handouts or powerups is the rinnegan of Sasuke.

Ashura already demonstrated that without the handout and I've explained that already in my previous post.

All that shows is that Indra was extremely powerful compared to Ashura and that's why the handout was needed to create a balance. Anyway this is completely off topic.

Lol, Hago literally confirmed that Ashura had equaled Indra's power and yet you're denying that.

If your going to use heavy speculation as proof and out right dismissal there's no point discussing it further.

There's no speculation, and why are you discussing this here. I've already explained why its not in the other thread and its pure logic without any speculation. If you wish to continue take it there.

 

[Oblivionx]

Both have similar potential. It's about chakra of user. Uchihas are born with naturally strong chakra and thus develop quickly. Hyugas are not said to have such chakra. Therefore their progress is slow or limited. Potential wise both are similar. So if both have same chakra to begin with and same training, they would pretty much be equals. We saw kaguya wrecking PS because she had superior chakra to that of sasuke's otherwise those techniques can be used by hyugas as well and won't even crack susano. We might see byakugan's true potential now that himawari and boruto have a bit stronger chakra, that of kurama's and uzmaki's.

 

[unknownvillain1254]

Weak rebuttal

1. So what. That capability wont helping them in countering/escaping any Genjutsu. You're aware is one thing but defending against a powerful Genjutsu is another thing and Byakugan not offers it user any Genjutsu shield. So you bring nothing to counter/avoiding a Genjutsu. Just a zero input.

Itachi aware of Genjutsu property in Kabuto's sound jutsu but he still got caught in it.

If I'm telling you seriously, I'm not asking you how aware are you toward any environment changes or chakra building but how you can counter what you aware off?

So far Byakugan lacking the counter ability. And eye Genjutsu is fast, sometimes you are not aware of it.

2. Hyuuga are laughing is not a proper counter. Anything you post above is baseless counter-argument.

Unless the Byakugan user is as fast as Ay or Juubi jin or having a chakra cloak. They will fail to avoid Ama or dispel it from their body.

3. Baseless assumption from a desparation for a counter argument. Nothing to counter here unless you can prove it.

Last point: Are you is that incapable to read? The comparison is between Sasuke(EMS only) and Kaguya(Byakugan only).

What's not fair is using all Kaguya's arsenal and power against EMS Sasuke and thats what Hyuuga fans doing here including you.

I restricted Kaguya full power and left her with only Byakugan and same power level as EMS Sasuke. Kaguya without CF but just Byakugan is nothing.

But default EMS user vs default Byakugan user, default EMS user takes the cake by using EMS arsenal alone

Byakugan allowed you to see through genjutsu Kakashi already proved that during the kage acr

 

[unknownvillain1254]

That's not what KKM means, and the direct parallel Vacuum Attack is given with Vacuum Palm makes it beyond obvious the Byakugan is used for it's execution.

Agree, and for the record, I acknowledge no Hyuga can reach EMS levels, what I'm arguing here is that the Ootsutsuki can.

In all honesty I will have to disagree with you with that

 

[unknownvillain1254]

It's a common fact that a MS/EMS User is above any known Hyuuga with the Byakugan so far.
What LB tries to point out is that with the Ototsukis appearing the Byakugan has new potential.

Kaguya did use a full body blow and vacuum palm -strong enough to destroy Sasuke's PS.

It was never about the Hyuugas.

And while it bugs me too, with enough amount of chakra and power Byakugan based abilities can destroy even perfect Susano'os which is EMS' best feat.

Wow it took that long just to admit the truth

 

[salamander uchiha]

That gene and the ability to produce that special chakra is the reason Indra or any sharingan user is able to use their doujutsu. And Hagoromo was referring to that only and nothing else. The handout excuse is what I find to be made up.

He says powerful chakra gene not special chakra gene. Now do you have anything which confirms he's referring to the special chakra that awakened the sharingan which is to do with a achnage in the brain.

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Here again the chakra is different to the eyes the 2 are unconnected. Do you have any proof that the powerful chakra is what awakens the eyes and the sage is reffering to that?

Because all I'm seeing is speculation.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

He says powerful chakra gene not special chakra gene. Now do you have anything which confirms he's referring to the special chakra that awakened the sharingan which is to do with a achnage in the brain.

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Here again the chakra is different to the eyes the 2 are unconnected. Do you have any proof that the powerful chakra is what awakens the eyes and the sage is reffering to that?

Because all I'm seeing is speculation.

If you go a few pages forward from your first scan. Hagoromo confirms Indra was born with strong ocular powers and senses since birth.

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So there's no speculation. He was born with chakra powerful enough to grant him access to the sharingan without requiring a heavy emotional incident to trigger and awaken his doujutsu.

 

[salamander uchiha]

If you go a few pages forward from your first scan. Hagoromo confirms Indra was born with strong ocular powers and senses since birth.

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So there's no speculation. He was born with chakra powerful enough to grant him access to the sharingan without requiring a heavy emotional incident to trigger and awaken his doujutsu.

I did there's no proof the 2 are connected we need an explicit statement confirming the connection between powerful chakra gene and the dojutsu.

He mentions powerful chakra gene in 1 page then ocular power in another confirming indra had both since birth. Not that they're the same thing or 1 awakens the other that's where your speculating.

Had the sage said because of Indra's powerful chakra gene he possessed ocular powers from birth. I could understand what you're getting at but that's not the case hence speculation on your part.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

I did there's no proof the 2 are connected we need an explicit statement confirming the connection between powerful chakra gene and the dojutsu.

He mentions powerful chakra gene in 1 page then ocular power in another confirming indra had both since birth. Not that they're the same thing or 1 awakens the other that's where your speculating.

Had the sage said because of Indra's powerful chakra gene he possessed ocular powers from birth. I could understand what you're getting at but that's not the case hence speculation on your part.

I am sure you do lol.

He mentions powerful chakra gene in one page and later elaborates what that granted Indra. Anyway, many uchihas and even Tobirama has confirmed the same fact that the uchiha's strong chakra is what grants them the sharingan.

Anyway I'll also need scans where the sage specifically says that he gave Ashura RSM....:lol

 

[Jiren]

The difference is Gentle Fist needs training. That's why.


It's because Byakugan belongs to those aliens innately. Come on, this is not hard to understand at all.


It's almost like an eye technique depends on the user's own power. Who would have thought?

isn't a statement like that exclusive to the byakugan then? Byakugan Momoshiki isn't powerful without his rinnegan and Kinshiki isn't powerful without his brute strength but you see how i didn't have to take byakugan away from them to make them weak.

They might be byakugan users but they dont rely on their byakugan at all.

 

[Styles]

The insecurity is real.
The fact that they use biaised reasonnings to try to answer the OP, proves that Byakugan>EMS if both have the same amount of chakra.
Uchiha fans comes with their biaised reasonning like Uchiha have more chakra than Hyuga, it' s pathetic.
The thread is about EMS vs Byakugan.

 

[salamander uchiha]

I am sure you do lol.

He mentions powerful chakra gene in one page and later elaborates what that granted Indra. Anyway, many uchihas and even Tobirama has confirmed the same fact that the uchiha's strong chakra is what grants them the sharingan.

Anyway I'll also need scans where the sage specifically says that he gave Ashura RSM....:lol

That's not true your making stuff up Tobirama confirms a special chakra sprouts in the brain awakening the sharingan not powerful chakra. That special chakra is yin chakra since it's a yin eye. The Uchiha inherited powerful chakra, Yin/spiritual energy(special chakra if you want to call it that) and eyes. The 3 are different things.

Yes the confirmation the sage gave RSM is based on rational evaluation. The sage confirms giving power to Ashura while this time giving it to Indra incarnate as well. Hes reffering to a power up, what does he give to Sasuke? A power up of course. What power up is that the rinnesharingan. What does he give Naruto? RSM the same power Ashura displayed.

Common sense leads you to this juncture coupled with a confirmation of power up from the sage. I hope that clears up any misunderstanding you have.

 

[Made in Heaven]

isn't a statement like that exclusive to the byakugan then? Byakugan Momoshiki isn't powerful without his rinnegan and Kinshiki isn't powerful without his brute strength but you see how i didn't have to take byakugan away from them to make them weak.

They might be byakugan users but they dont rely on their byakugan at all.

Yeah, neither of those two do, but Toneri, Kaguya, and Hamura did. Kaguya especially considering she still used it so much despite having the RenniSharingan.

 

[Greatness23]

Sharingan is the ultimate ninjutsu tool, Byakugan is the ultimate awareness tool


Sharingan has the strongest genjutsu, Byakugan should have the insight to see through the genjutsu


Sharingan users have the chakra for fastest shunshin, Byakgan users have the insight to read the fastest movement



Hamura was Hagoromo's equal and had the stronger Yin affinity, the Hyuga's eyes give them potential to read through every jutsu like Itachi did, the only difference is that their observation feats come primarily from their eyes while Itachi mostly relied on his rational thinking.


The ability to read through any jutsu and negate any jutsu with Juken ultimately gives them equal potential to any of Hagoromo's descendants, you hate hearing this but Yin = Yang, Hamura's potential = Hagoromo's potential

Wong all the way around. Nice try though boss (sarcasm not intended)

 

[Jiren]

Yeah, neither of those two do, but Toneri, Kaguya, and Hamura did. Kaguya especially considering she still used it so much despite having the RenniSharingan.

Because they were born with byakugan and still they used overwhelming chakra techs. Kaguya offensive abilities relied mostly on her powerful chakra not her byakugan

 

[56697]

Right... I think you and LB need a break from this site. The world is bigger than your laptop.

your 1 to talk you just like salamander and brady yall take the uchiha wank to far yall really need a new hobby you 3 gets in yall heart and soul over a fake characters its disgusting

 

[Jiren]

your 1 to talk you just like salamander and brady yall take the uchiha wank to far yall really need a new hobby you 3 gets in yall heart and soul over a fake characters its disgusting

Don't quote me fapboy

 

[56697]

Don't quote me fapboy

only faps are you and your 2 bfs sad, true die hard uchiha fappers well except for the boy that killed himself over itachi but he was an itachi fan hell even itachi wasnt a uchiha fapper yall should do what yall favs did and die out

 

[Jiren]

only faps are you and your 2 bfs sad, true die hard uchiha fappers well except for the boy that killed himself over itachi but he was an itachi fan hell even itachi wasnt a uchiha fapper yall should do what yall favs did and die out

Didn't read fapper. Idk what you're even talking about stop trying to defend someone with an alt account pathetic. Get a life losr

 

[56697]

Didn't read fapper. Idk what you're even talking about stop trying to defend someone with an alt account pathetic. Get a life losr

like how you say get a life when your here all day everyday fapping to fake characters and making dumb threads about how your precious uchiha negs everybody is that why they dont exist no more lol uh oh did i insult the uchiha dont get into your heart oh wait you already calling me names damn sorry to get you so butthurt weirdo