"Byakugan is greater than EMS by feats"

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He never had Byakugan to do so since he was blind his whole life.

Kaguya and Hamura also use Gentle Fist.
I want a manga scan showing Hamura performing GF and please obey the order bcus I'm so tired dealing with people assumption and far fetched logic. Again Please.

If you just bring in a statement again I will leave the thread for good
 

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I want a manga scan showing Hamura performing GF and please obey the order bcus I'm so tired dealing with people assumption and far fetched logic. Again Please.

If you just bring in a statement again I will leave the thread for good
Do as you please, but the databook says the Hyuga Clan inherited Gentle Fist from Kaguya, and that would naturally mean Hamura also used it.
 

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The sage confirming Ashura didnt have the chakra.


The sage confirming Indra's natural gifts etc and Ashura's lack of and Ashura co-operating with others.
That's Hago hinting towards Indra's possessing his strong ocular chakra which gave Indra an advantage over Ashura. That is all.


Ashura eventually awakening the bodily power so it was dormant until then. Not he trained and honed it.

Like I said chakra was dormant so it can be dormant until it's awakened. All the praise Indra receivef wss any of it shared by Madara or Sasuke. The answer is no they awoke their powers at a later time.
If it were bodily chakra that awakened within Ashura then Hago would'e simply said bodily chakra awakened within him instead of saying the power of bodily chakra. Which means Ashura always had that chakra but he didn't know how best to use it and only through training achieved that.


Ps. Yes he did because 6PSM isn't a natural ability and requires tailed beast chakra.

This time the sage confirms he's giving a powerup to Indra incarnate not like last time.

However this is off topic
Ashura had already matched Indra's power before Hago even gave him said power up and if he indeed did give him then Ashura would've moped up the floor with Indra and yet that's not what happened and they both died.

Anyway this is off topic, I had made thread to explain why Hago didn't share his powers. If you wish to continue this subject post it there and we can continue from there.
 

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Kaguya doesn't have all sharingan powers,granted she also cant do everything a byakugan user can do. Thats not my point. Kaguyas does have sharingan,rinnegan and byakugan powers but only Hyuuga stans use aliens to back up their argument because the normal ninjas were Hyuuga showcasing was too weak.

The simple reason for that is a Byakugan is not that powerful to be compared to EMSand cannot be used as a defending argument unless the user has another attribute that far outweighs the byakugan.

So you use Kaguya someone whose stronger than everyone to defend the Byakugans abiltiies.
It's a common fact that a MS/EMS User is above any known Hyuuga with the Byakugan so far.
What LB tries to point out is that with the Ototsukis appearing the Byakugan has new potential.

Kaguya did use a full body blow and vacuum palm -strong enough to destroy Sasuke's PS.

It was never about the Hyuugas.

And while it bugs me too, with enough amount of chakra and power Byakugan based abilities can destroy even perfect Susano'os which is EMS' best feat.
 

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It's a common fact that a MS/EMS User is above any known Hyuuga with the Byakugan so far.
What LB tries to point out is that with the Ototsukis appearing the Byakugan has new potential.

Kaguya did use a full body blow and vacuum palm -strong enough to destroy Sasuke's PS.

It was never about the Hyuugas.

And while it bugs me too, with enough amount of chakra and power Byakugan based abilities can destroy even perfect Susano'os which is EMS' best feat.
Im not saying byakugan doesn't have potiential.

But could Momo or Kinshiki perform same feat without a Juubi Jin chakra fruit to supplement those abilties? No. Momo used her rinnegan and Kinshiki used his brute strength and weapons. Nothing that pertained to the Bykaugan even remotely.
 

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That's Hago hinting towards Indra's possessing his strong ocular chakra which gave Indra an advantage over Ashura. That is all.



If it were bodily chakra that awakened within Ashura then Hago would'e simply said bodily chakra awakened within him instead of saying the power of bodily chakra. Which means Ashura always had that chakra but he didn't know how best to use it and only through training achieved that.




Ashura had already matched Indra's power before Hago even gave him said power up and if he indeed did give him then Ashura would've moped up the floor with Indra and yet that's not what happened and they both died.

Anyway this is off topic, I had made thread to explain why Hago didn't share his powers. If you wish to continue this subject post it there and we can continue from there.
He clearly makes mention of genes containing his chakra. Not the ocular part in the first scan. In the second one he also confirms the eyes as an added bonus. Ashura he denies it altogether so it was clearly dormant chakra gene. RSM or 6PSM aren't inherited abilities you don't awakens them you learn how to use them and you need tailed beast chakra for them as well had the sage said that we'd understand it as so.
"The power of bodily chakra awakened within him" not be learnt how to co tell it. How can you not understand that. Not he learnt how to use his already awakened chakra and rhere arent any indicators to that either.


Ps. Off topic again but RSM or 6PSM require a handout even if we accept he awakened bodily chakra rivaling Indra's it would be rivaling his chakra he had nothing to rival the ocular powers as well therefore required the hand out necessary to do so. No the point is Indra is too powerful that's why RSM/6PSM was necessary to rival him.

I will read and post in that thread when I get a chance I'm very busy at the moment. That's why I'm phone typing.
 
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Post the DB please. Do as that persistent Rasta with DB fact.


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← Those forehead marks and being a bone users, is there a connection between Kimimaro's Clan and Kaguya!?

→ The Hyūga praised as Konoha's strongest. The Byakugan traditions from 1,000 years ago are now passed down in present times.

The blood relatives of Kaguya Ōtsutsuki who ate God Tree's fruit. In the current Ninja world a faint breath from the source (root) spreads. (?This might not be right). Represented by Kaguya's Byakugan. Both the Hyūga Clan's ability to see every Chakra tenketsu and Gentle Fist, were inherited in the present time from this legend. Also, even in Ninja from destroyed clans, remnants of blood can apparently be seen.

↑ Kaguya is the progenitor of Chakra. This world dominating power reappeared in the present times.
 

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Kaguya doesn't have all sharingan powers,granted she also cant do everything a byakugan user can do.
The difference is Gentle Fist needs training. That's why.
Kaguyas does have sharingan,rinnegan and byakugan powers but only Hyuuga stans use aliens to back up their argument because the normal ninjas were Hyuuga showcasing was too weak.
It's because Byakugan belongs to those aliens innately. Come on, this is not hard to understand at all.
The simple reason for that is a Byakugan is not that powerful to be compared to EMS and cannot be used as a defending argument unless the user has another attribute that far outweighs the byakugan.
It's almost like an eye technique depends on the user's own power. Who would have thought?
Could that mean she amped up the power of one eye but shutting off the chakra to the other eye doubling it's ability?
No, she activated both eyes, I have no idea why that was even be done by Kishimoto.
 

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Could that mean she amped up the power of one eye but shutting off the chakra to the other eye doubling it's ability?
Hyuga have the power to amp up their chakra, Kakashi said that in part 1, Gates users are able to amp their power through the control of chakra gates, now imagine what someone with Hyuga chakra control could be capable of, it's no coincidence Gai made Neji and Lee rivals like Naruto and Sasuke.


P.S : I don't even know what your argument is about but I need to defend my boy Neji
 

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He clearly makes mention of genes containing his chakra. Not the ocular part in the first scan. In the second one he also confirms the eyes as an added bonus. Ashura he denies it altogether so it was clearly dormant chakra gene. RSM or 6PSM aren't inherited abilities you don't awakens them you learn how to use them and you need tailed beast chakra for them as well had the sage said that we'd understand it as so.
"The power of bodily chakra awakened within him" not be learnt how to co tell it. How can you not understand that. Not he learnt how to use his already awakened chakra and rhere arent any indicators to that either.
Yep genes that enabled him to produce strong ocular chakra which gives him access to his doujutsu. He denies Ashura possessing his Ocular chakra and the reason is Indra had the genes which gave him access to his doujutsu while Ashura had no such thing. If you follow the context he was talking in its quite obvious really.
Again the power of bodily chakra and bodily chakra are two different things. Ashura's chakra was of Hagoromo's bodily chakra type which he always had. Only thing he did was harness its power the way its meant to be.

Ps. Off topic again but RSM or 6PSM require a handout even if we accept he awakened bodily chakra rivaling Indra's it would be rivaling his chakra he had nothing to rival the ocular powers as well therefore required the hand out necessary to do so. No the point is Indra is too powerful that's why RSM/6PSM was necessary to rival him.

I will read and post in that thread when I get a chance I'm very busy at the moment. That's why I'm phone typing.
Well just cuz Naruto needed it doesn't make it a fact that RSM requires a handout. If that's the case then one could also say Indra to received handout from Hagoromo cuz no MS user was able to use PS without handout. Just as Indra had a MS that enabled him to use PS, Ashura had a RSM. There chakra was the purest and closest to Hago's unlike the transmigrants.

@Bold Hago clearly said Ashura awakened powers rivalling his brother's. He didn't say chakra rivalling Indra's. So Ashura had already matched Indra in terms of powers and not just chakra.
 

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Hyuga have the power to amp up their chakra, Kakashi said that in part 1, Gates users are able to amp their power through the control of chakra gates, now imagine what someone with Hyuga chakra control could be capable of, it's no coincidence Gai made Neji and Lee rivals like Naruto and Sasuke.


P.S : I don't even know what your argument is about but I need to defend my boy Neji
I asked a question perhaps I can make it clearer. Can the strength of a jutsu be boosted by concentrating chakra in it. Ie. Nukite(3rd raikage's) the less fingers the stronger it is. Is it also possible for dojutsu ?
 

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Yep genes that enabled him to produce strong ocular chakra which gives him access to his doujutsu. He denies Ashura possessing his Ocular chakra and the reason is Indra had the genes which gave him access to his doujutsu while Ashura had no such thing. If you follow the context he was talking in its quite obvious really.
Again the power of bodily chakra and bodily chakra are two different things. Ashura's chakra was of Hagoromo's bodily chakra type which he always had. Only thing he did was harness its power the way its meant to be.



Well just cuz Naruto needed it doesn't make it a fact that RSM requires a handout. If that's the case then one could also say Indra to received handout from Hagoromo cuz no MS user was able to use PS without handout. Just as Indra had a MS that enabled him to use PS, Ashura had a RSM. There chakra was the purest and closest to Hago's unlike the transmigrants.

@Bold Hago clearly said Ashura awakened powers rivalling his brother's. He didn't say chakra rivalling Indra's. So Ashura had already matched Indra in terms of powers and not just chakra.
Now your making things up. Eyes and chakra are 2 different things. Ashura awKening bodily chakra which gave him power rivaling indra's is in reference to his chakra since Indra too had the powerful chakra gene. He has no answer to rival the dojutsu or occular powers. Hence the handout:)

RSM/6PSM hasn't been demonstrated outside handout whereas PS has been. The equivalent of RSM/6PSM in handouts or powerups is the rinnegan of Sasuke.

All that shows is that Indra was extremely powerful compared to Ashura and that's why the handout was needed to create a balance. Anyway this is completely off topic.

If your going to use heavy speculation as proof and out right dismissal there's no point discussing it further.
 
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