Game of Thrones Season 7 ep 7

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The biggest issue with this season is that they kinda rushed most of the plot lines trying to streamline them into one. But as a result some of them were ended rather abruptly while others just feel shallow and forced like the relationship between Jon and Dany. Though that she couldn't have kids anymore however is emphasized in the books as for a long time she didn't had her period. On top of that it wasn't like she was being abstinent. She married once more on top of having a love affair and despite that there are some means of contraception in ASOIAF, I doubt she bothered using them as she believed she couldn't have children anyway.

Jon however is special, he likewise has dragon's blood and that's not just some boasting or metaphorical speaking in the sense that there is something magical residing in the Targaryen blood. How else would they be able to naturally tame dragons? On top of that Jon also is a Warg, though that's not elaborated on in the TV series, again a magical power. So in the end Jon is pretty much a barrel of ancient magic, so that he is able to impregnate Dany who also has magical abilities kinda makes some sense.

And if she would become pregnant it would also provide an opportunity for Jon to mount Drogon. It wouldn't really be save for Dany to ride a dragon when she's in that condition. This has the additional consequence that Rhaegal would become 'expendable' and could possibly die, something people have been theorizing about.



Probably referring to the currently popular theory of Bran being the Night King.
Wouldn't be surprised if jon had magical abilities that would allow dani to have a child, but I'm not sure how she would react knowing that jons really a targarian and has more rights to the throne than him.

It would be an interesting plotline to see but if were only getting a one season wrap up I think it will be shallowly addressed.

We still have the three headed dragon theory. Jon and Daenerys make two, will their child make three?
Well targaryen symbol is a three headed dragon so them having a kid would make sense, but if the series just ends with jon and dani king and queen of westeros to live happily ever after with no conflict I feel would kind of undermine the series.
 
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Well targaryen symbol is a three headed dragon so them having a kid would make sense, but if the series just ends with jon and dani king and queen of westeros to live happily ever after with no conflict I feel would kind of undermine the series.
I wonder who will fulfill the Valquos prophecy about Cersei.
 

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We still have the three headed dragon theory. Jon and Daenerys make two, will their child make three?
I always loved the symbolism of the three-headed dragon, however they pretty much threw that out of the window in the TV-series.

Wouldn't be surprised if jon had magical abilities that would allow dani to have a child, but I'm not sure how she would react knowing that jons really a targarian and has more rights to the throne than him.

It would be an interesting plotline to see but if were only getting a one season wrap up I think it will be shallowly addressed.



Well targaryen symbol is a three headed dragon so them having a kid would make sense, but if the series just ends with jon and dani king and queen of westeros to live happily ever after with no conflict I feel would kind of undermine the series.
I wouldn't describe it as magical abilities, but simply the result of both Jon and Dany being descendants of ancient Valyria with potent magic in their bodies.

There was something that always boggled my mind in regards to the ancient Varlerians. The tradition to wed siblings to keep the bloodline pure is something the Targaryens brought with them, it's not something they just started doing when they conquered Westeros. Which means they have had incestuous marriages for hundreds, even thousands of years long before they turned their gaze towards the Seven Kingdoms. Now we don't know much about the members of the Targaryen family before they became a ruling dynasty, but normally by this point they should have been mentally and physically weak humans because of all that incest.

Still it appears that only after The Conquest this incestuous habit of theirs started taking its toll, parallel with the declining dragon population and thus their magical powers. It was said that the ancient Valerians gained their silver hair and purple eyes because of their permanent exposure to magic, so you can conclude that possibly any negative drawback from incest was neutralized by this exposure, which in return would reinforce their believe in keeping the bloodline pure by interbreeding.

Because they weren't exposed anymore in Westeros all that incest started to take its toll on their family. Now my point is that both Dany and Jon definitely are two entities that have had a strong exposure to magic/were born with inherent potent magic could make it possible for him to conceive a child with Dany despite that it shouldn't be possible for her to have any children. You might even say that their union is far more healthy than all the Targaryen marriages of the last three centuries and might be the closest to how it was in ancient Valyria.


Martin already confirmed it would be a bittersweet ending. Now the books and series will differ on many aspects, however I don't think they are going to push it so far to end on a cliché. And if Dany gets pregnant before she finds out about Jon's claim, well I don't think there will be many practical issues on that front. Maybe a bit of emotional turmoil to process it all, but if they marry then all problems are out of the window in regards to who has the strongest claim.

I think valonqar means little brother I don't know if Jamie is cerseis little brother but only options I see is either Jamie or tyrion end up killing her
Well I just saw a YT that brought up two interesting points. One it just refers to a "little brother", not that it has to be Cersei's little brother. The creator used this as an argument to put forth Euron as the one who might kill Cersei as he had several elder brothers and is in close proximity of Cersei (and it's easy to imagine that Cersei would do something that would piss him off greatly). Now this is an intriguing way of viewing things, however if this really was the case then even for a prophecy this would be extremely vague as being a little brother is a rather generic quality.

And two Cersei is supposed to be strangled to death with bare hands, which is kinda hard for Jaime considering he has only one hand. This I find a particular curious element as Jaime having only one hand is quite a unique characteristic.

Jamie and Cersei are twins. I think it's gonna be Tyrion.
They are twins, but Cersei was born first and Jaime second while clutching his sister's foot. So yeah it could refer to Jaime just as easy as it could to Tyrion.
 
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Got news that Jon and Daenerys will have complications with their new romance.

Romance seems to always leads to tragedy and dire consequences in this series.

:wut:

I think they should keep their romance at bay. They need to deal with everything else, instead of letting their complicated feelings get in the way of doing things.
 

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I always loved the symbolism of the three-headed dragon, however they pretty much threw that out of the window in the TV-series.



I would describe it as magical abilities, but simply the result of both Jon and Dany being descendants of ancient Valyria with potent magic in their bodies.

There was something that always boggled my mind in regards to the ancient Varlerians. The tradition to wed siblings to keep the bloodline pure is something the Targaryens brought with them, it's not something they just started doing when they conquered Westeros. Which means they have had incestuous marriages for hundreds, even thousands of years long before they turned their gaze towards the Seven Kingdoms. Now we don't know much about the members of the Targaryen family before they became a ruling dynasty, but normally by this point they should have been mentally and physically weak humans because of all that incest.

Still it appears that only after The Conquest this incestuous habit of theirs started taking its toll, parallel with the declining dragon population and thus their magical powers. It was said that the ancient Valerians gained their silver hair and purple eyes because of their permanent exposure to magic, so you can conclude that possibly any negative drawback from incest was neutralized by this exposure, which in return would reinforce their believe in keeping the bloodline pure by interbreeding.

Because they weren't exposed anymore in Westeros all that incest started to take its toll on their family. Now my point is that both Dany and Jon definitely are two entities that have had a strong exposure to magic/were born with inherent potent magic could make it possible for him to conceive a child with Dany despite that it shouldn't be possible for her to have any children. You might even say that their union is far more healthy than all the Targaryen marriages of the last three centuries and might be the closest to how it was in ancient Valyria.


Martin already confirmed it would be a bittersweet ending. Now the books and series will differ on many aspects, however I don't think they are going to push it so far to end on a cliché. And if Dany gets pregnant before she finds out about Jon's claim, well I don't think there will be many practical issues on that front. Maybe a bit of emotional turmoil to process it all, but if they marry then all problems are out of the window in regards to who has the strongest claim.



Well I just saw a YT that brought up two interesting points. One it just refers to a "little brother", not that it has to be Cersei's little brother. The creator used this as an argument to put forth Euron as the one who might kill Cersei as he had several elder brothers and is in close proximity of Cersei (and it's easy to imagine that Cersei would do something that would piss him off greatly). Now this is an intriguing way of viewing things, however if this really was the case then even for a prophecy this would be extremely vague as being a little brother is a rather generic quality.

And two Cersei is supposed to be strangled to death with bare hands, which is kinda hard for Jaime considering he has only one hand. This I find a particular curious element as Jaime having only one hand is quite a unique characteristic.



They are twins, but Cersei was born first and Jaime second while clutching his sisters foot. So yeah it could refer to Jaime just as easy as it could to Tyrion.
When you say bittersweet ending are you referring to the end of the series or jon and danis relationship, I think with a series like game of thrones bitter sweet is the best way to end it.

The strangling part of the prophecy kind of rules out Jaimie but you never know and it's possible that it's referring to some little brother in general sense. It would make most sense that a blood relative would be the one to kill her in the enfant tyrion does say he always wanted to kill her but I think he was being a bit sarcastic about it.

Got news that Jon and Daenerys will have complications with their new romance.

Romance seems to always leads to tragedy and dire consequences in this series.

:wut:

I think they should keep their romance at bay. They need to deal with everything else, instead of letting their complicated feelings get in the way of doing things.
Where did you hear this news, it makes sense if dani found out jon was a targarian and the son of her brother that it would put a strain on their relationship.

I was thinking dani might go the mad queen route but I'm starting to think dani will stay on the good side.
 
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Where did you hear this news, it makes sense if dani found out jon was a targarian and the son of her brother that it would put a strain on their relationship.

I was thinking dani might go the mad queen route but I'm starting to think dani will stay on the good side.
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I truly think Cersei is going mad.
 

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When you say bittersweet ending are you referring to the end of the series or jon and danis relationship, I think with a series like game of thrones bitter sweet is the best way to end it.

The strangling part of the prophecy kind of rules out Jaimie but you never know and it's possible that it's referring to some little brother in general sense. It would make most sense that a blood relative would be the one to kill her in the enfant tyrion does say he always wanted to kill her but I think he was being a bit sarcastic about it.



Where did you hear this news, it makes sense if dani found out jon was a targarian and the son of her brother that it would put a strain on their relationship.

I was thinking dani might go the mad queen route but I'm starting to think dani will stay on the good side.
I'm talking about the overall ending of the entire series.

And there are supposedly leaked scripts of the first few episodes of season 8 being spread around the internet, however the authenticity is questionable.
 
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