A CES user would have to have contact with a GF user in order to actually have impact

[KidGamer65]

sigh

a) using Chunin exams Hinata vs Neji showcased how GF users fight

I was showing how they parry and how they avoid the hand palm or touch

b) you never answered the Susanoo question

the irony of the Susanoo bit is it is even worse then what you accused me off by saying you assume one answer can solve the other

1. Yet it does not prove that such things will happen when any Gentle Fist user fights any other close combat fighter, which is something that seems to be beyond your understanding.

2. There is no question to answer or any worth answering. In close combat 5 Susanoo Clones>>>>>Neji, Hiashi, or Hinata. Tsunade can fight on par with 5 of them with just her bare hands. Thus no Hyuga is beating her in close quarters.

The last sentence doesn't even make sense, which shows me that you still don't comprehend what is being said to you. Close combat is close combat. Overall it's linear. Fighting someone superior in CQC means you will beat someone inferior. You saying that "Gentle Fist=Strongest Style thus my fav wins" is shitty ass logic.

Funny how you make excuse after excuse when tangible feats are actually brought into play.

 

[KidGamer65]

Lol this dumbass claiming that Tsunade having a slugfest pretty much with susanoo clones where she could easily regenerate from the injuries would be easier for her than fighting a human sized being with a Byakugan and the same stats in taijutsu who parries all her blows and can close her chakra points and stop her regen. Right...

Lmao can you hop off my nuts kid? No one likes that one guy who is always begging for attention from someone who doesn't want to give it to them.

 

[KidGamer65]

Only in this thread would people be stupid enough to argue that any Hyuga that has debuted on panel is better or more lethal in close combat than 5 Susanoo clones. :lol Making stupid excuse after stupid excuse. "Oh b-b-but the clones are soo big and hyuga so good in taijutsu".

:lol Spare me the BS.

 

[Netflix and Chill]

Lmao can you hop off my nuts kid? No one likes that one guy who is always begging for attention from someone who doesn't want to give it to them.

Plz kid, go cry more about it, no one has a gun to your head forcing you to reply to me. Your argument is ass, dont cry when someone calls you out on it, be a big boy.

 

[KidGamer65]

Plz kid, go cry more about it, no one has a gun to your head forcing you to reply to me. Your argument is ass, dont cry when someone calls you out on it.

The one triggered by my posts here is you, considering you are desperately trying to make some kind of argument happen here. Sit down and let the people who can articulate their own thoughts argue instead of being an echo.

Like I said. Off my nuts.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

really?

you think the Hyuga would drop their fighting style and how they parry in CQC when facing a different opponent?


you think that Tsunade vs some chakra divided mini Susanoos, lunking around and acting like empty vessal that still managed to hit her is comparable to a GF master in taijutsu CQC?

you think comparing Kabuto against Tsunade in martial skill is nothing or doesn't set the bar like your silly Susanoo random argument?

you think repeating your tsunade scenario is comparable to taijutsu combat or if that is easier then facing a GF master in CQC who's one hit seals her chakra point and makes it harder and harder for her to use CES?

you think she can use CES on a byakugan user that can see her ready to use it and challenging her chakra before she even does use CES?





again you will reply with this by saying irrelevant but the only irrelevant thing here is you dodging the argument which you know you have no answer to

 

[Dgrayman]

just get down to the point, hinata > sakura ,



Hyuuga famiky FTW

 

[KidGamer65]

really?

you think the Hyuga would drop their fighting style and how they parry in CQC when facing a different opponent?

Where did I say this? Why is this relevant?

you think that Tsunade vs some chakra divided mini Susanoos, lunking around and acting like empty vessal that still managed to hit her is comparable to a GF master in taijutsu CQC?

No. They are far superior. Not comparable. What is "empty vessel" supposed to refer to? Lmao stop throwing around buzz words with zero meaning you moron. They are clones of Madara that are using Susanoo.

you think comparing Kabuto against Tsunade in martial skill is nothing or doesn't set the bar like your silly Susanoo random argument?

Like I said. I don't care about Rusty Tsunade vs. Kabuto.

you think repeating your tsunade scenario is comparable to taijutsu comabt or if that is easier then facing a GF master in CQC who's one hit seals her chakra point and makes it harder and harder for her to use CES?

It's perfectly comparable. Tsunade can fight against superior opponents to your favorites with her bare hands, thus she whoops your favorites with her bare hands. Telling me the Hyuga's ability to close chakra points over and over and over and over again won't change anything you are saying here. Madara's clones using Susanoo are faster, stronger, have more firepower, are more durable and resilient and they have more range. There is no area of close combat that the Hyuga surpass the clones in individually except for skill. Then we have the fact that there are 5 of them.

What has been your consistent and only response to this? "They aren't Taijutsu masters". "They can't close chakra points". :lol

you think she can use CES on a byakugan user that can see her ready to use it and challenging her chakra before she even does use CES?

This is irrelevant. Prove that it won't work because they can see it coming or don't mention it.

Again you will reply with this by saying irrelevant but the only irrelevant thing here is you dodging the argument which you know you have no answer to

You don't even have an argument for me to dodge. :lol

 

[Netflix and Chill]

The one triggered by my posts here is you, considering you are desperately trying to make some kind of argument happen here. Sit down and let the people who can articulate their own thoughts argue instead of being an echo.

There was never a argument to make lol what? Only a idiot would even put forth whatever garbage you was spewing before. Get over your self bro, you're looking dumb rn. Hiashi gets close and shuts her chakra system down...not a damn thing she can do about it, she got wrecked by kabuto, lyk, c'mon...clinging to that trash susanoo argument (?) because you got nothing else. I gotta repeat my self when idiots just dont get it. Lmk if you need me to one more time.

 

[KidGamer65]

There was never a argument to make lol what? Only a idiot would even put forth whatever garbage you was spewing before. Get over your self bro, you're looking dumb rn. Hiashi gets close and shuts her chakra system down...not a damn thing she can do about it, she got wrecked by kabuto, lyk, c'mon...clinging to that trash susanoo argument (?) because you got nothing else. I gotta repeat my self when idiots just dont get it. Lmk if you need me to one more time.

*Yawn*

 

[Netflix and Chill]

really?

you think the Hyuga would drop their fighting style and how they parry in CQC when facing a different opponent?


you think that Tsunade vs some chakra divided mini Susanoos, lunking around and acting like empty vessal that still managed to hit her is comparable to a GF master in taijutsu CQC?

you think comparing Kabuto against Tsunade in martial skill is nothing or doesn't set the bar like your silly Susanoo random argument?

you think repeating your tsunade scenario is comparable to taijutsu combat or if that is easier then facing a GF master in CQC who's one hit seals her chakra point and makes it harder and harder for her to use CES?

you think she can use CES on a byakugan user that can see her ready to use it and challenging her chakra before she even does use CES?





again you will reply with this by saying irrelevant but the only irrelevant thing here is you dodging the argument which you know you have no answer to

Its pointless bro, his head is too far up his ass

 

[Reviewing Logic]

Where did I say this? Why is this relevant?




No. They are far superior. Not comparable. What is "empty vessel" supposed to refer to? Lmao stop throwing around buzz words with zero meaning you moron. They are clones of Madara that are using Susanoo.



Like I said. I don't care about Rusty Tsunade vs. Kabuto.



It's perfectly comparable. Tsunade can fight against superior opponents to your favorites with her bare hands, thus she whoops your favorites with her bare hands. Telling me the Hyuga's ability to close chakra points over and over and over and over again won't change anything you are saying here. Madara's clones using Susanoo are faster, stronger, have more firepower, are more durable and resilient and they have more range. There is no area of close combat that the Hyuga surpass the clones in individually except for skill. Then we have the fact that there are 5 of them.

What has been your consistent and only response to this? "They aren't Taijutsu masters". "They can't close chakra points". :lol



This is irrelevant. Prove that it won't work because they can see it coming or don't mention it.





You don't even have an argument for me to dodge. :lol

again Susanoo against Tsunade isn't comparable to a taijutsu master who is human sized that is in CQC with Tsunade

let alone each hit isn't just a chakra blade through the stomach but it actually is a sealing of a chakra point

again the OP and my scan of Hinata and Neji parrying showcases how GF users fight

and they particularly parry with the wrist to avoid getting hit by the hand that is expelling chakra

CES expels chakra through the hand and feat... the Hyuga already have a fighting style to counter this to avoid getting hit


you denying the byakugan use to see a CES before it happens is also silly since we see here Neji anticiapting Kidmaru's attack via his chakra network

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the only ground you are basing your thing on is the Tsunade/Susanoo thing which I already stated all the situations that were there in that fight be it Madara playing around and getting hit, be it the Susanoo not being a CQC taijutsu fighter, be it clones that have their chakra divided.


but the main point is that Madara's susanoo's are strong but they aren't strong for their CQC taijutsu capabilities


again this is like the puppet facing analogy since they aren't users with individual minds that are personally good at CQC taijutsu

just because they are strong doesn't mean they are strong in certain cases or types of battles

 

[KidGamer65]

again Susanoo against Tsunade isn't comparable to a taijutsu master who is human sized that is in CQC with Tsunade

Wrong.

let alone each hit isn't just a chakra blade through the stomach but it actually is a sealing of a chakra point

Which is irrelevant as you've yet to show that clean hits will be landed.

again the OP and my scan of Hinata and Neji parrying showcases how GF users fight

and they particularly parry with the wrist to avoid getting hit by the hand that is expelling chakra

CES expels chakra through the hand and feat... the Hyuga already have a fighting style to counter this to avoid getting hit

Wrong. When you can prove this then we can talk. Tsunade lifted Bunta's tanto with CES. Sakura elbowed Zetsu. CES enhances strength, period. Stop ignoring this and start addressing it.

you denying the byakugan use to see a CES before it happens is also silly since we see here Neji anticiapting Kidmaru's attack via his chakra network

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Where did I deny this was true? Oh wait, nowhere.

the only ground you are basing your thing on is the Tsunade/Susanoo thing which I already stated all the situations that were there in that fight be it Madara playing around and getting hit, be it the Susanoo not being a CQC taijutsu fighter, be it clones that have their chakra divided.

That and Tsunade is canonically more skilled in Taijutsu than every Hyuga who is not Hiashi as per the Databook. Madara playing around is irrelevant. Susanoo not using Taijutsu is irrelevant as they are still powerful in close combat. Close combat is more than just Taijutsu in case you still haven't figured that out on your own.

but the main point is that Madara's susanoo's are strong but they aren't strong for their CQC taijutsu capabilities

Dude. Just stop. Susanoo is good in close quarters period. Not Taijutsu. Close quarters in general. Making excuses based on zero evidence gets you nowhere. Susanoo is primarily used to fight in CQC unless it's Sasuke using his Bow and Arrows.

-PS matches Kurama.
-Regular Susanoo has been used to overwhelm many shinobi from fodder Ninja, to Naruto, to the Gokage in close combat. Sasuke and Naruto used Susanoo and Kurama to fight Juubito in close quarters. In general Susanoo is good in close quarters. That is literally it's most shown use in the Manga.

again this is like the puppet facing analogy since they aren't users with individual minds that are personally good at CQC taijutsu

No it's not. Those puppets are remotely controlled by Toneri. Those Susanoo are clones of Madara himself using Susanoo. Susanoo is shown to be powerful in close combat in even it's weakest forms let alone it's strongest forms. It being large is irrelevant. Size is irrelevant. Every attribute of close combat that I listed is what's important. Speed, strength, reaction speed, resilience and durability, range and skill.

What has Neji, Hiashi or Hinata ever done to put them above 5 clones capable of pressuring the Gokage individually? I'll wait.

 

[KidGamer65]

And stop this "but the Hyuga can close chakra points" BS logic to try and invalidate this comparison. Plenty of other god and top tiers are extremely strong in close quarters and would spank the Hyuga in close quarters yet they dont have the ability to close chakra points. I also like how you love to act like only the Hyuga know how to block and parry attacks.

-Base Sasuke in Boruto the Movie would shit on any Hyuga in close combat. Is he more skilled than people like Hiashi or Neji in the art of Taijutsu? Does he have a Taijutsu style as refined as theirs? No, but he is stronger, faster, more resilient, has better reflexes and has taken on stronger foes.

-Naruto's Kurama Avatar can match PS in close quarters. Are you going to argue that someone capable of taking that on doesn't mean they'll beat the Hyuga (because of their oh so amazing skills) despite Kurama being >>>> Hyuga in any and every physical ability? No, so you guys can all shut up now.

 

[Netflix and Chill]

Omg lol this guy is something else. Tsunade has the power and skill set to go up against those susanoo clones, she doesn't have the skill set to avoid being hit by 64 palms by someone as skilled as Hiashi. Skill =/= power, lyk how hard is it to understand? She got wrecked by Kabuto, Madara would wreck her in taijutsu, hell we might as well give him a sword if you wanna count susanoo, Hiashi would wreck her in taijutsu, Gai would wreck her in taijutsu. By that logic anyone who isnt able to go up against the 4 or 5 Susanoo clones isn't capable of beating tsunade in taijutsu...lyk what?

 

[Nick01]

just get down to the point, hinata > sakura ,



Hyuuga famiky FTW

/Thread.

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

Everyone not biased knows that they will beat them in CQC.

 

[HyuugaHeir]

CES > Jyuuken in power.
CES < Jyuuken in skill.
In canon, CES proved to be more deadly bec of abundance of feats. Jyuuken being superior to CES is highly theoretical.
Case closed.

 

[Belserion]

Why do people bring up Tsunade vs Kabuto to make a point when:

a. Tsunade was rusty
b. Already exhausted to begin with
c. Kabuto took some enhancement pills
d. And he still lost in close combat. He used her fear of blood to beat her.

If anything This battle only proves how good Tsunade is in Taijutsu. And add the fact that she has better speed feats than any Hyuuga shown so far + her Taijutsu Stats in the Databook = Good Game.

 

[HyuugaHeir]

Every CES-jyuuken thread is lowkey Sakura vs Hinata war.
Sure Tsunade is always dragged in but she really doesnt elevate nor pull down Sakura's status.
Same for the average and exceptional Hyuuga to Hinata.

I believe the real issue lies about Tsunade being a Sannin and actually deserves it and if the same can be applied to Sakura. Moreover, would people really buy that Hinata became a strong Hyuuga afterall odds?