A CES user would have to have contact with a GF user in order to actually have impact

[KidGamer65]

are you telling me a Susanoo has intellect and is a master of a martial skill?

are you saying a Susanoo is designed for CQC taijutsu/kenjutsu

or is it more of a chakra doll armour that deals major damage and acts like an armour/shield for its user

it is designed to face big, large moving opponents

let alone it wasn't even a PS that Tasunade fought

Nope. Because that's irrelevant to the point.

Irrelevant as well.

Irrelevant as well.

I don't care what Susanoo is designed for. Most of this drivel is false anyway. Your made up alternative facts aren't valid evidence. Susanoo>>>>Neji or Hiashi in close quarters. That is a fact. Stop ducking the point please.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

Except you are still making excuses. Susanoo's main focus is offense and defense. It doesn't lean towards one or the other. In fact Susanoo's feats are mostly offensive feats, but considering all you do is lie I can't be surprised that you are talking about it's primary focus being defense.

Stop talking about "martial arts" or "martial CQC" or "skill". I. Do. Not. Care. Skill is one of several parts of overall CQC ability. V3 Susanoo Clone of Edo Madara>>>>>Neji, Hiashi and Hinata in close quarters combat overall point blank period. CQC is more than just hand to hand. Despite that Tsunade can fight against them on par for the most part with her bare hands. I don't care if she got tagged, because Madara's 5 Susanoo Clones>>>>>Neji, Hiashi or Hinata. Them tagging Tsunade is evidence that fodders in comparison can do so too? Yeah, no. Get real son.

make a Susanoo clone that Madara used, human size

now make it fight against a GF master in CQC (you can toss aside the Gf ability to destroy chakra since the S is made of it) you think it has the same CQC skill as a GF master?

an empty vessal? let alone a clone of it which had its chakra already divided

your diluted

 

[Reviewing Logic]

Nope. Because that's irrelevant to the point.

Irrelevant as well.

Irrelevant as well.

I don't care what Susanoo is designed for. Most of this drivel is false anyway. Your made up alternative facts aren't valid evidence. Susanoo>>>>Neji or Hiashi in close quarters. That is a fact. Stop ducking the point please.

I am not you are

your assuming some BS notion just because


Susanoo is meant for other fields of combat it isn't a expert of close range combat, let alone taijutsu and taijutsu reaction

 

[KidGamer65]

make a Susanoo clone that Madara used, human size

Not needed.

now make it fight against a GF master in CQC (you can toss aside the Gf ability to destroy chakra since the S is made of it) you think it has the same CQC skill as a GF master?

Irrelevant, but I'll humour this nonsense. Susanoo shits. End of story.

an empty vessal? let alone a clone of it which had its chakra already divided

your diluted

Barely a coherent thought let alone an argument.

 

[KidGamer65]

I am not you are

your assuming some BS notion just because


Susanoo is meant for other fields of combat it isn't a expert of close range combat, let alone taijutsu and taijutsu reaction

No, it's not. Susanoo excels at close range combat. Period. That is all it has ever been used for except for when Sasuke uses his arrows. Making shit up gets you no points.

 

[Netflix and Chill]

I don't care nor does it matter. When it comes to CQC Susanoo>>>>Neji or any other Hyuga despite their size. Taking on armed chakra giants>>>>>Taking on unarmed Hyuga in difficulty. What is so hard to comprehend about that fact? Unless you are going to argue that fighting Hiashi or Neji or Hinata is harder than fighting 5 Madara clones using Susanoo you will not have a point. Kabuto vs. Rusty Tsunade is irrelevant and will be ignored the next time anyone ever brings it up.

Lol what i didnt ask if you cared...really didnt. Anyways Tsunade fighting Susanoo is completely different from her fighting someone who can completely shut down her chakra points, she can heal from being injured by susanoo, she was simply punching the susanoo and tanking blows. If you think thats the same as her fighting someone who actually parries her blows and actually avoids getting hit apposed to what susano eas doing then youre dumb asf. Hiashi gets closr enough to her and all her blows gets parried and dhe gets hit by 64 palms, its that simple. And dint give me that dumbass excuse about her being rusty because i could say Madara wasn't serious in that fight...so save it, plz. Lol lyk wtf?

 

[KidGamer65]

Lol what i didnt ask if you cared...really didnt. Anyways Tsunade fighting Susanoo is completely different from her fighting someone who can completely shut down her chakra points, she can heal from being injured by susanoo, she was simply punching the susanoo and tanking blows. If you think thats the same as her fighting someone who actually parries her blows and actually avoids getting hit apposed to what susano eas doing then youre dumb asf. Hiashi gets closr enough to her and all her blows gets parried and dhe gets hit by 64 palms, its that simple. And dint give me that dumbasd excuse about her being rusty because i could say Madara wasn't serious in that fight...so save it, plz. Lol lyk wtf?

No, it's not really, but I'm not going to waste my time responding to a garbage poster who's echoing the same nonsense I addressed not even 10 minutes ago, so refer to my previous posts for a rebuttal.

 

[Netflix and Chill]

No, it's not really, but I'm not going to waste my time responding to a garbage poster who's echoing the same nonsense I addressed not even 10 minutes ago, so refer to my previous posts for a rebuttal.

Because you got nothing, its that simple. Now run along and go throw a tantrum in another thread.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

you say you can't prove a CES user lacks in taijutsu against a GF user

then proceeds to say Susanoo is better at CQC/taijutsu


saying irrelevant and living in your little bubble doesn't change the fact that since page 1 you never had an argument on how CES users would counter against CQC taijutsu with the byakugan and the ability to shut down a network and destroy chakra

goodness, saying otherwise with your hyprocsiy as if you have some standing is BS since you never again proved Tsunade being good at Taijutsu

let alone Sakura

you never proved how they can stop a byakugan predicting a CES move via chakra

you never proved how in CQC CES has no martial skill or praise

and you compare a empty chakra vessel being able to outbest CQC taijutsu of a person with a mind and reaction speed, let along byakugan and parry abilities that purposely prevent the expelling from the hand and feet which they could only do (which you ignorantly thought was BS nonsense) can somehow outperform and hit them let alone defeat them

 

[KidGamer65]

Because you got nothing, its that simple. Now run along and go throw a tantrum in another thread.

Whatever you say kiddo. :lol

 

[To Whatever]

you say you can't prove a CES user lacks in taijutsu against a GF user

then proceeds to say Susanoo is better at CQC/taijutsu


saying irrelevant and living in your little bubble doesn't change the fact that since page 1 you never had an argument on how CES users would counter against CQC taijutsu with the byakugan and the ability to shut down a network and destroy chakra

goodness, saying otherwise with your hyprocsiy as if you have some standing is BS since you never again proved Tsunade being good at Taijutsu

let alone Sakura

you never proved how they can stop a byakugan predicting a CES move via chakra

you never proved how in CQC CES has no martial skill or praise

and you compare a empty chakra vessel being able to outbest CQC taijutsu of a person with a mind and reaction speed, let along byakugan and parry abilities that purposely prevent the expelling from the hand and feet which they could only do (which you ignorantly thought was BS nonsense) can somehow outperform and hit them let alone defeat them

CES isn't a taijutsu so it depends on the user. GF is a taijutsu but it also depends on the user, bro.

If this is Sakura and Hinata, we both know who wins based on feats.

 

[KidGamer65]

-snip-

Except you've yet to actually give any real argument. Edo Madara clones using Susanoo>>>Hyuga in CQC. That is a fact. I don't really care about the rest if you aren't going to form an argument of some kind.

Tsunade fought on par with 5 Susanoo clones using Taijutsu alone. Any Hyuga gets destroyed.

Sakura has been explained above and in several other threads.

And no. This:

that purposely prevent the expelling from the hand and feet which they could only do

is still based on nothing. CES enhances all forms of strength. End of story.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

you have no argument you are clinging to the belief that Susanoo that is divided, that is playing around, that is an empty vesseal that isn't even taijutsu or CQC specific is comparable to CQC combat with a GF master


then in the same breath you deny the OP by saying you can't assume something equals something else when I am comparing apples to apples and you are comparing it to a banana

it isn't only hypocrisy it isn't even an argument

 

[Reviewing Logic]

Except you've yet to actually give any real argument. Edo Madara clone's Susanoo>>>Hyuga in CQC. That is a fact. I don't really care about the rest if you aren't going to form an argument of some kind.

really?

how is that a fact

where was that stated

I gave screens on what they can do and how they can react you gave me some BS and then stated it as a fact

do you even read what you post?

 

[Reviewing Logic]

CES isn't a taijutsu so it depends on the user. GF is a taijutsu but it also depends on the user, bro.

If this is Sakura and Hinata, we both know who wins based on feats.

again byakugan can see a CES move before it happens

the GF taijutsu is focused on preventing another GF form hitting you

they aim for the ankle and wrist in parries

they can shut down the chakra network



Sakura running and screaming shannaroo isn't going to do something

they'll see were the CES move is coming from via the byakugan... know it is, in a example the left hand, parry it by wrist or dodge it.... hit the left arms chakra points


rinse and repeat

you would have to instead do long range attacks which leads to another tactic and discussion

 

[KidGamer65]

really?

how is that a fact

where was that stated

I gave screens on what they can do and how they can react you gave me some BS and then stated it as a fact

do you even read what you post?

No, you gave panels of Kids fighting as if it proved your point. Meanwhile Madara's clones were pressuring the Gokage. That's a better feat than your favorites have and ever will show.

you have no argument you are clinging to the belief that Susanoo that is divided, that is playing around, that is an empty vesseal that isn't even taijutsu or CQC specific is comparable to CQC combat with a GF master


then in the same breath you deny the OP by saying you can't assume something equals something else when I am comparing apples to apples and you are comparing it to a banana

it isn't only hypocrisy it isn't even an argument

The argument has been provided. You just don't want to address it. That or you cannot address it. :lol "Empty vessel" and all these idiotic buzz words you love to toss around don't change this fact. 4 pages and you've yet to do anything but expose yourself for the delusional little fanboy that we all know you are.

 

[To Whatever]

really?

how is that a fact

where was that stated

I gave screens on what they can do and how they can react you gave me some BS and then stated it as a fact

do you even read what you post?

Just because Hinata doesn't beat Sakura does not mean she can't hold her own in a fight.

Her strengths are her sensory and support.


Sakura is her medical ninjutsu and ability to take damage and play decoy.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

No, you gave panels of Kids fighting as if it proved your point. Meanwhile Madara's clones were pressuring the Gokage. That's a better feat than your favorites have and ever will show.



The argument has been provided. You just don't want to address it. That or you cannot address it. :lol "Empty vessel" and all these idiotic buzz words you love to toss around don't change this fact. 4 pages and you've yet to do anything but expose yourself for the delusional little fanboy that we all know you are.

sigh

a) using Chunin exams Hinata vs Neji showcased how GF users fight

I was showing how they parry and how they avoid the hand palm or touch

b) you never answered the Susanoo question

the irony of the Susanoo bit is it is even worse then what you accused me off by saying you assume one answer can solve the other

 

[Netflix and Chill]

Lol this dumbass claiming that Tsunade having a slugfest pretty much with susanoo clones where she could easily regenerate from the injuries would be easier for her than fighting a human sized being with a Byakugan and the same stats in taijutsu who parries all her blows and can close her chakra points and stop her regen. Right...

 

[Reviewing Logic]

Just because Hinata doesn't beat Sakura does not mean she can't hold her own in a fight.

Her strengths are her sensory and support.


Sakura is her medical ninjutsu and ability to take damage and play decoy.

that isn't the point of this thread

it is CQC fitsocuffs in which case Sakura loses

you can't take damage and heal when that damage is what prevents you from healing


if you want to make a thread that Sakura >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in medical stuff and healing then go ahead people already know this

what I am doing is showcasing the truth that butthurt people like KidGamer65 can't seem to graps and instead tries to answer the question by making other situation or trying to debunk my scans as if I am saying kids can beat so and so when the OP states the scans are used to showcase how GF users parry