Boruto vs. Sarada (stats.)

[Askeladd]

Ok alt account
evidence points to the contrary.:bye:

Who killed Momoshiki? :bye:

 

[KidGamer65]

This is factually incorrect since perception of something faster than the other allows for reaction speed or response. it also helps in countering faster opponents. Shikdai did this with Boruto his perception is extremely high and so was able to deal and edxpand his shadow to the right range. Even Sasuke if he couldn't perceive Haku he couldn't react to him the slower the perception the slower your response.

How many times are you going to repeat the same thing I have addressed? Jesus man. :lol Perception in this context is more than just speed, which is why Naruto has the lowest perception stat and Sakura has higher than him. Perception relates to how much you can see, how well you can see it among other things. Not just speed. Byakugan is one of the most perceptive eyes yet it doesn't have precognition.

Apart from the fact her job wasn't to knock them out and Boruto's was while he used 4 shadow clones. She could've solo'd all 4 like she did the 20ish shin clones with 1 strike whereas Boruto it took making 4 clones. different situations different objectives.

Excuses. Her job was to let one escape, not to almost get killed. Yet that's what happened. She had trouble in the fight and she beat both her foes in a time longer than what Boruto took against his foes.

The same goons in case you've forgotten those good were in custody this was another set of goons but that's irrelevant.
I'll repeat there was no struggling her job wasn't to knock them out.
You accept she wasn't using CES with which the same goons would've been solo'd like the 20 ish shins were. You ignore her mission wasn't to outright solo them and instead chase the goon off so they could follow him back to the base. It would be blatantly obvious they let him get away has she 1 shotted the goons with her CES and therefore affect the plan. Boruto's situation was different if Sarada was there all of them would've fallen of 1 blow.

She didn't solo anyone. She knocked them down. They weren't even knocked out. Not to mention Shin is a fodder with a nice MS. The only Shin who has shown decent physical ability is the father. So Academy Sarada "defeating" them isn't a feat worth mentioning here.

We've seen the extent of Boruto's CQC at its peak for now against the goons we've also seen what Sarada did to the shin clones who have Sharingan by the way so we know the extent of her CQC capabilities. Hardly any competition for Sarada really.

Addressed.

The databook shows skills stats show your excellent abilities and how many stars you possess in your 3 best skills and then says and other.
Boruto's reads ninjutsu 4, Evasion 4, hand to hand combat 3.
Sarada's reads genjutsu 4 marksmanship 4, Ninjutsu knowledge 4.

This is no way confirms Boruto has better thaijutsu than her since it lists only 3 skills this could easily mean she has a 3 matching Boruto in hand to hand combat but because her other skills are 4s the databook didn't list them. What also dismisses the point is that she mainly uses hand to hand with CES so she has thai jutsu and doesn't really need to rely on other skills as of yet.

If Sarada has a 3 matching Boruto's 3, then Boruto automatically has the advantage as he has Shadow Clones. So by your own logic: Boruto + Clones>>>Boruto=Sarada in hand to hand. Throw in Boruto's Ninjutus and Sarada loses.

Okay Ill accept there's no precognition not that there is a need for it. However clarity the ability to perceive faster moving objects faster by default allows you to up your reaction speed and response. I'll go back to the Haku(speed stat 4) fight as Sasuke(speed likely of 2-2.5) was keeping up with a faster Haku because he could perceive Haku's motions faster. This highlights the importance of perception and why better perception actually assists you. Haku because of this was forced to use demonic ice mirrors amplifying his speed further once Sasuke awoke his Sharingan he could perceive the faster motions with clarity and because of this react faster to them effectively eliminating the advantage a much faster Haku had. Sarada would effectively eliminate any supposed advantage Boruto would have and because of her ability to respond faster any strike with CES would effectively end Boruto.

Don't go back to that fight, because it doesn't matter. I have addressed all of this. Sasuke was able to see Haku once he got Sharingan. that has nothing to do with timing your attacks nor does that prove that Sarada can land a clean hit on the real Boruto and take him out. Sasuke was evading Haku. Evading.

Quit using this roundabout logic. Not only did Haku still have the advantage despite Sasuke being able to react, this is all irrelevant. Haku's main advantage was speed. Not so much for Boruto. Sarada's displayed feats are inferior, and if she is equal to him in hand to hand then with clones she doesn't stand a chance of winning in close combat. And that doesn't take Ninjutsu into account

Your argument is basically "Sasuke reacted to Haku, so Sarada will hit Boruto".

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If you want to prove Sarada will land a clean hit on Boruto and kill him then I suggest you show that Sarada has a speed advantage or a CQC proficiency advantage.

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The bold nobody is comparing Sarada to Shojoji but I have to point out Sarada's stronger(CES) and we don't know the extent of her durability either. Faster is also speculative but I'll let you have that. The purpose of knowledge and importance of it was that Shojoji formulated his strategy around it granted he still needed the ability to take them out. Sarada has knowledge, plus ninjutsu knowledge which means she likely knows of their strengths and weaknesses allowing her to formulate startegies to deal with them.

Shojoji got hit by Rasengan and lived. Until anyone shows me Sarada taking anything of the sort there is no need to speculate. Shojoji is faster than Boruto who is canonically faster than Sarada by quite a bit. There is nothing to debate on that point either.

The rest was addressed. If you aren't going to be specific with these strategies don't talk about strategies. "She'll make a plan" isn't an argument if you won't tell me what plan she'll make. Then we have the fact your Shojoji comparison is horrible. His strategy wasn't a strategy. He simply defeated 4 clones, and was able to do that because of his power. Nothing more, nothing less.

Ninjutsu knowledge is irrelevant. What strengths and weaknesses are you even talking about? Being vague gets you no points.

Now everything coupled together shows that Sarada is clearly better and superior for now, being faster isn't really an advantage, sharingan and perception allow for faster reactions, numbers and shadow clones mean nothing just ask the Shin's there were around 20 of them.
In essence if the overall picture is looked at for now Sarada is just better and easily defeats Boruto and there hasn't been a situation as of yet which requires her to use all her strength or go all out. I think people underestimate Sarada(who excels in all of Itachi's fields by the way according to the databook stats) because she's not the main lead.

What picture? You can't even make a solid premise for her superiority.

-You claim Sharingan lets her hit him directly. Haven't shown why with a valid example.
-You claim because she knocked back a bunch of fodder Shin clones that she can beat Boruto's shadow clones. An irrelevant comparison because physically Boruto>>>>Kid Shin.

No one is underestimating her. You're wanking her. Fact of the matter is:

-Boruto is faster. 40 pt lead by the stats you guys love so much.
-Boruto is better in hand to hand by feats. Even if you argue they have an equal score, Boruto has clones and we've already seen that clones lets Naruto close the gap between him and Sasuke when 3-Tomoe Sharingan is involved let alone Boruto and Sarada's 1-Tomoe.
-Boruto has stronger Ninjutsu and more varied Ninjutsu. Fuuton Gale Palm for defense against projectiles, Purple Lightning and Rasengan for close, mid and long range offense.
-Boruto can stream Raiton onto his weapons for CQC w/ Kunai or Shuriken. Sarada can't clash with a Raiton coated blade without losing her hand. Sarada has also not demonstrated this ability.

Her only advantage is physical strength and a jump + ground pound that can be easily evaded.

Anyway if any discussion is to continue I'll accept it as long as its relevant and doesn't shift the goal posts completely, otherwise we'll end up in the same situation as Indra who deletes comments and denies he made them altogether and I don't have time for that. Also with constant shifting we may never reach a conclusion.

Alright then.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Who killed Momoshiki? :bye:

Who killed Momoshiki as if that's relevant who couldn't defeat Shojoji? And as if any of that prices he's any match for Sarada that's where fanfics come to an end.

Now unless you have relevant comments to add and address yhe pints raised I'm my post. I have no time for you. Have a good day Alt account.

 

[Askeladd]

Who killed Momoshiki as if that's relevant who couldn't defeat Shojoji? And as if any of that prices he's any match for Sarada that's where fanfics come to an end.

Now unless you have relevant comments to add and address yhe pints raised I'm my post. I have no time for you. Have a good day Alt account.

Nerfed by the seal, we both know it =D Boruto got the advantage on this fight

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

Oh yeah, and since you clearly have a reading impairment I'll help you correct this paragraph. We all know Naruto is being scored by his Base level. In fact the post you quoted blatantly states "Base Naruto". Now, since you are too stupid to see the issue without me holding your hand let's go over it together.

-Base Naruto has 110. (Makes sense when compared to Sakura. Naruto should have more strength than her in his Base form)
-Sakura has 100. (Makes sense when Sakura is in her Base form, without any auxiliary ability)

-Sasuke has 130.(Makes sense again since Sasuke is able to at least match Naruto in BSM. In his Base form, Naruto should be inferior to Sasuke, explaining why Sasuke is able to 'at least' match Naruto in his Modes. I just noticed you aren't as smart as you depict yourself. You're all just talk. :lol)

Use your brains, KidGamer63. You've got more brains than that.

Didn't they teach you ''Fill in the Space by writing the Missing Word'' back in primary? When the information is lacking, you use what you've deciphered to make realistic deductions. I thought you would at least be able to do that, considering you convey yourself as possessing acumen.

Base Sasuke and Base Naruto have already been shown to be inferior to Sakura in physical strength. Don't make that pathetic mistranslation excuse either as this compares Naruto to Sakura, ignoring the Genin. You can try and argue that it doesn't account for CES, but then you'd have to explain why Sarada has a 160 while no one else listed cracks 140.

The rest still make sense separately. Vulpini provided the stats. of the new Gen. you couldn't say anything to them. Why? Because they make a lot of sense that you can't even futilely try to refute them.

I already told you how not-comparing them is the best thing you can do relieve yourself of confusion. But you choose to compare the scale they used for the kids to the one they used for the adults. I pity someone like you that can't think for themselves. It's right in front of you. It's obvious they couldn't make Sakura inferior to Sarada. What sane author who still wants to sell would do that? The scale is all that is missing there and a concomitant side-note to rectify that they the adults were scaled differently from the kids.

Just do what everyone with logic has done, which is separating the kid's stats. from the adults and then put into consideration that they were scored on their base ability.

 

[KidGamer65]

I can't read so KG please walk me through it yet again

No problem son. One more time for the mentally impaired child:

-Naruto has a 110.
-Sakura has a 100.

Is Naruto more physically powerful than Sakura in Base? No, he's not. Stop talking about the kids. Stop talking about separating the kid's stats from the adults. Stop being a moron, if possible. No, Base Naruto does not have more physical power than Base Sakura. CES is included which is why Sarada scores the highest out of the new gen by a landslide, except for Chocho, who has a 150.

That and I'm still arguing using said stats to humour people who are delusional enough to take them seriously. Such as you. :lol

 

[salamander uchiha]

No problem son. One more time for the mentally impaired child:

-Naruto has a 110.
-Sakura has a 100.

Is Naruto more physically powerful than Sakura in Base? No, he's not. Stop talking about the kids. Stop talking about separating the kid's stats from the adults. Stop being a moron, if possible. No, Base Naruto does not have more physical power than Base Sakura. CES is included which is why Sarada scores the highest out of the new gen by a landslide, except for Chocho, who has a 150.

That and I'm still arguing using said stats to humour people who are delusional enough to take them seriously. Such as you. :lol

Just the bold even according to the 3rd Naruto databook Naruto is stronger than Sakura in base. So therefore the stats are addressing base abilities.
3rd databook from the Naruto manga addresses Chapter 240-402
Sakura's strength stat is 3 after having learn CES etc

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Naruto's strength stat is 3.5 for this period.

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To dismiss the stats based purely on opinions.

Ps. These stats are by the author of the manga and meant to covey something to us otherwise I defeats the purpose of making them cannon.
This is a new manga by a new author and so the stats are just as relevant whether people can stomach them or not.

 

[KidGamer65]

Just the bold even according to the 3rd Naruto databook Naruto is stronger than Sakura in base. So therefore the stats are addressing base abilities.
3rd databook from the Naruto manga addresses Chapter 240-402
Sakura's strength stat is 3 after having learn CES etc

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Naruto's strength stat is 3.5 for this period.

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To dismiss the stats based purely on opinions.

Ps. These stats are by the author of the manga and meant to covey something to us otherwise I defeats the purpose of making them cannon.
This is a new manga by a new author and so the stats are just as relevant whether people can stomach them or not.

Lmao. The 3rd Databook and the Boruto Databook are not the same thing so that alone ends this point. These stats are trash, and Boruto is superior even if they are taken into consideration. How about you guys focus less on me talking about the stats and more on my argument for Boruto being superior even when I use your precious stats.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Lmao. The 3rd Databook and the Boruto Databook are not the same thing so that alone ends this point. These stats are trash, and Boruto is superior even if they are taken into consideration. How about you guys focus less on me talking about the stats and more on my argument for Boruto being superior even when I use your precious stats.

What on earth are you saying the stats confirm Sarada is superior in all aspects save speed. The speed advantage is easily neutralised by Sharingan after all that's part of its major abilities allowing faster objects and people to be perceived along for faster reaction.

You made a claim base Sakura was superior in strength the point I was making was that's never been the case not even in Naruto manga which dismiss that point altogether. So the databooks are legit now if yoy have a problem with that hen take it up with the people that wrote them.

 

[KidGamer65]

What on earth are you saying the stats confirm Sarada is superior in all aspects save speed. The speed advantage is easily neutralised by Sharingan after all that's part of its major abilities allowing faster objects and people to be perceived along for faster reaction.

You made a claim base Sakura was superior in strength the point I was making was that's never been the case not even in Naruto manga which dismiss that point altogether. So the databooks are legit now if yoy have a problem with that hen take it up with the people that wrote them.

I addressed the bold in detail. Go address that last post instead of repeating the same thing over and over and over and over and over again.

The rest is irrelevant. Base Sakura is superior to Base Naruto in physical strength. DB 3 not counting CES is irrelevant as this is not DB 3.

 

[salamander uchiha]

I addressed the bold in detail. Go address that last post instead of repeating the same thing over and over and over and over and over again.

The rest is irrelevant. Base Sakura is superior to Base Naruto in physical strength. DB 3 not counting CES is irrelevant as this is not DB 3.

I'll address that post once I'm in front a pc which won't happen for quite a while(until tomorrow).

Mind furnishing proof for the bold claim since your using that to dismiss kishi's own thoughts and cannon stats he provides on base strength levels.

 

[KidGamer65]

I'll address that post once I'm in front a pc which won't happen for quite a while(until tomorrow).

Mind furnishing proof for the bold claim since your using that to dismiss kishi's own thoughts and cannon stats he provides on base strength levels.

Proof for what? That Databook 3 is not the same as the Boruto Databook? :lol That's the only claim I made. If you want to argue that the new stats made by the new author doesn't take CES into account despite Sarada having 160 while the next highest is Chocho with 150 you're gonna have to give a good reason why.

 

[To Whatever]

I thought versus discussions were a 1 on 1 with spectators. Why is salamander and zack piggy backing off each other?

 

[salamander uchiha]

Proof for what? That Databook 3 is not the same as the Boruto Databook? :lol That's the only claim I made. If you want to argue that the new stats made by the new author doesn't take CES into account despite Sarada having 160 while the next highest is Chocho with 150 you're gonna have to give a good reason why.

Your claim was base Sakura is stronger than base Naruto where's the proof for that? You claimed it twice now. Please present it thanks.

Chico and Sarada being stronger is possible the reason for that is quite simple. Chocho's case she's an akamichi who in base are naturally really strong and Sarada can be strong there's nothing wrong with that whatsoever. That's how the author wants to lead the manga that's his choice.

Ps. Tsunade is also strong in base so it's just as likely Sarada can be strong in base bit that's another point altogether.

My theory is the new author could be weakening the old gen so the new gen stands out.

 

[salamander uchiha]

I thought versus discussions were a 1 on 1 with spectators. Why is salamander and zack piggy backing off each other?

I'm not piggy backing it's just that the point was invalid and false it was being used to dismiss cannon facts.

 

[KidGamer65]

Your claim was base Sakura is stronger than base Naruto whereas the proof for that? You claimed it twice now. Please present it thanks.

Chico and Sarada being stronger is possible the reason for that is quite simple. Chocho's case she's an akamichi who in base are naturally really strong and Sarada can be strong there's nothing wrong with that whatsoever. That's how the author wants to lead the manga that's his choice.

This is my theory equally he could be weakening the old gen so the new gen stands out.

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:lol Which means CES is included. Sarada is not naturally strong, she doesn't have the build to be that strong, she doesn't have the chakra enhancements to be that strong nor do her non-CES feats support her being that strong. Making the same excuse in the bold to prevent yourself from applying critical thinking skills isn't going to work.

 

[To Whatever]

I'm not piggy backing it's just that the point was invalid and false it was being used to dismiss cannon facts.

This isn't even your thread. It's in versus and you've been piggybacking off each other the entire time.

Make your own thread,pm him, or wait your turn.

 

[salamander uchiha]

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:lol Which means CES is included. Sarada is not naturally strong, she doesn't have the build to be that strong, she doesn't have the chakra enhancements to be that strong nor do her non-CES feats support her being that strong. Making the same excuse in the bold to prevent yourself from applying critical thinking skills isn't going to work.

So where exactly is the proof that Sakura is using base strength? And not CES in this scan. Like i said you claimed she's stronger in base so where's the scan that confirms this. Anyway I'll wait for the scan confirming that Sakura is stronger in base.

Tsunade doesn't have the build to be naturally strong either but she had a 5 in the strength department in a databook which only deals with base strength. The manhaadoest require w build to prove strength it's manga after all. Shojoji doesn't have the build to be fast yet it's faster than Boruto. That alone invalidates your point.

 

[KidGamer65]

So where exactly is the proof that Sakura is using base strength? And not CES in this scan. Like i said you claimed she's stronger in base so where's the scan that confirms this. Anyway I'll wait for the scan confirming that Sakura is stronger in base.

Tsunade doesn't have the build to be naturally strong either but she had a 5 in the strength department in a databook which only deals with base strength. The manhaadoest require w build to prove strength it's manga after all. Shojoji doesn't have the build to be fast yet it's faster than Boruto. That alone invalidates your point.

Base refers to a mode. Did Sakura leave Base when she punched the ground? No, end of story. The rest is irrelevant because build was 1 of 3 points in my post, and not even the most important. I notice that you and Zack have a tendency to ignore what you can't refute.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Base refers to a mode. Did Sakura leave Base when she punched the ground? No, end of story. The rest is irrelevant because build was 1 of 3 points in my post, and not even the most important. I notice that you and Zack have a tendency to ignore what you can't refute.

Really where's your proof base refers to mode ? And where's the proof base Sakura is stronger than base Naruto? You made these claim not I.
Your using a scan of CES to show that this is base when o asked for a scan of base Sakura being stronger that Naruto since you claimed it.
I'll wait for it.*_*