Boruto vs. Sarada (stats.)

[loj]

Good luck with debating Salamandtard. Trust me you'll see what I mean in a few minutes.

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Anyway this wraps up my thoughts too.



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[KidGamer65]

Don't need intelligence, perception to win a battle or formulate strategies to defeat your opponents tell that to Shikamaru, Shikidai and all the intellectual ones. Better tell that to Kakashi as well.

Databook 1 of Naruto is from chapter 1-108 and confirms by the time Haku died he had a speed stat of 4. And Sasuke by chapter 108 thw final stage of the Chunin exam had a speed stat of 3. Yet during his battle with Haku he matched his superior speed without his sharingan. And then kept up with an even faster Haku who used demonic ice mirrors while Sasuke's speed was still the same when he gained his sharingan. Sasuke's speed didn't go up but his perception and clarity increased allowing him to process information faster.
So he effectively neutralised Haku's speed while being slower.
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Because Shikamaru and Shikadai's fighting style revolves around planning due to the lack of firepower. That's 2 Ninja out of several dozen. Intelligence helps, but the vast majority of people didn't win or lose a fight because they were smarter than their opponent. The vast majority of people win because their Ninjutsu are superior. Even Shikadai and Shikamaru's intelligence is useless without the Ninjutsu to put their plan into action, so just looking at an intelligence stat from a databook doesn't help anyone form any arguments.

Perception in this context has nothing to do with actual combat either. The rest is irrelevant because that's speed. How his speed went up doesn't matter. Sharingan lets him read movements, thus he can react to them faster. Perception is more than just reading movements with Sharingan so obviously more than that would be factored into the score. That and Sarada's score is only 10 pts above Boruto's so how does this help her in combat?

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

Well your relatively new so I don't expect you to know much. But trust me, there's a lot more alts.

Next time you see 7monna or what-ever her name is, tell her I said hi. If you haven't guessed who her main is by now, she's been fooling you well. Among other one's lol


Can't say without visual proof. I don't go around looking for whose an alt and who isn't. For polls especially, I can't really trust what anyone says.

Plus I don't know why polls even matter lol


What? :lol

Mods have no trouble exposing alts, trust me I had an alt before.

How many more? I didn't suspect 7monna at all. Now that makes a lot of sense.

Guess it's LB vs. Femme, essentially. :lol Unknown Jin at least doesn't make one until he really needs to.

I hadn't guessed, probably because of how inactive she is, and how I just don't even bother to read her posts. I see her make threads once in a while, but I never bother to read them either.

I don't go around doing that either, what are you insinuating? It's just obvious when you've interacted with someone over a lot of times. At least with 7monna it's understandable since I never interacted with her while I've read a lot of posts by the alts.

Not the case with me. The mod clearly said he couldn't do it. For reason of which I have no idea. Perhaps you forgot it was an Admin.

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

Then show me a fight where Naruto lost because he wasn't intelligent or show that intelligence is universally important in the majority of fights. Otherwise your input isn't wanted or valued.

At this point in the series, intelligence still plays a really huge role considering the power scale hasn't reached that level yet where power is the most important thing of all. But early Shippuden still had that element to it, and Shikamaru vs. Hidan is the perfect example of how intelligence can be a determinant in a fight. Anyone who didn't know about Hidan's power, they would lose with certainty if he could at least draw out their blood. Even Itachi would lose if he fought as recklessly as Naruto.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Because Shikamaru and Shikadai's fighting style revolves around planning due to the lack of firepower. That's 2 Ninja out of several dozen. Intelligence helps, but the vast majority of people didn't win or lose a fight because they were smarter than their opponent. The vast majority of people win because their Ninjutsu are superior. Even Shikadai and Shikamaru's intelligence is useless without the Ninjutsu to put their plan into action, so just looking at an intelligence stat from a databook doesn't help anyone form any arguments.

Perception in this context has nothing to do with actual combat either. The rest is irrelevant because that's speed. How his speed went up doesn't matter. Sharingan lets him read movements, thus he can react to them faster. Perception is more than just reading movements with Sharingan so obviously more than that would be factored into the score. That and Sarada's score is only 10 pts above Boruto's so how does this help her in combat?

Did you read the Haku fight where Sasuke neutralised Haku's superior speed while being slower even without sharingan. Haku's speed by that time was 4 and Sasuke's by chapter 108 was 3 so it's likely Sasuke speed was 2.5 being even slower in the early manga. Clearly speed can be countered by a slower opponent and even faster speeds with the sharingan which Sarada has. Sarada also has 4 star in ninjutsu knowledge effectively adding she knows strengths weaknesses. Couple that with her IQ to forumate strategies, sharingan enhancement + other skills. She's more than a match for Boruto and could make light work of him.

The link for the Haku fight Do read it. They're only a couple of chapters.

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[lndra]

How many more? I didn't suspect 7monna at all. Now that a lot of sense.

Guess it's LB vs. Femme, essentially. :lol Unknown Jin at least doesn't make one until he really needs to.

It's alt base most of the times. I dunno why that's the case, but I've used alts in the past. However, I couldn't imagine creating over a 100 alts when I'm banned. Idk what that other dude is smoking :lol

I hadn't guessed, probably because of how inactive she is, and how I just don't even bother to read her posts. I see her make threads once in a while, but I never bother to read them either.

When you see a new member whose already supportive of either Hinata or Sakura, it's prob an alt.

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Though somtimes it could actually be a anti pretending to be a pro fan to trick ya

I don't go around do that either, what are you insinuating? It's just obvious when you've interacted with someone over a lot of times. At least with 7monna it's understandable since I never interacted with her while I've read a lot of posts by the alts.

Sometimes I think its obvious based on the first interaction

Not the case with me. The mod clearly said he couldn't do it. For reason of which I have no idea. Perhaps you forgot it was an Admin.

Weird. I guess it changed then

 

[KidGamer65]

Did you read the Haku fight where Sasuke neutralised Haku's superior speed while being slower even without sharingan. Haku's speed by that time was 4 and Sasuke's by chapter 108 was 3 so it's likely Sasuke speed was 2.5 being even slower in the early manga. Clearly speed can be countered by a slower opponent and even faster speeds with the sharingan which Sarada has. Sarada also has 4 star in ninjutsu knowledge effectively adding she knows strengths weaknesses. Couple that with her IQ to forumate strategies, sharingan enhancement + other skills. She's more than a match for Boruto.

The link for the Haku fight Do read it. They're only a couple of chapters.

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I did read it. Many times before and I skimmed through it just now. This doesn't matter. Perception is more than reading movements thus it does not reflect reaction speed. Dexterity is what reflects reaction + movement speed and Boruto has 30 pts on Sarada. If her high perception was meant to equalize them the Dexterity stat would reflect that. Sasuke was getting blitzed by Haku, and that speed was his main weapon, so once Sasuke could react Haku lost his biggest advantage. Boruto has more advantages than just speed, and being able to react in this situation doesn't give Sarada an advantage like it did with Sasuke.

The rest of these aren't even tangible things. They're abstract concepts that could be applied to combat a bunch of different ways. Formulate strategies to do what? How does that help her fight Boruto? What strategies would she use? How does Ninjutsu knowledge help her counter Boruto's techniques? Knowing of a jutsu doesn't mean you can counter it.

-Boruto is better in CQC. In a few seconds he whooped 4 of that goon's bodyguards. Sarada had issues with one. That and unarmed combat is one of his main skills, while it is not for Sarada's.
-Boruto has better long range techniques. Raiton Shuriken and Vanishing Rasengan. If we include their DB techs he also has what seems to be Kakashi's Purple Lightning, but weaker, and Nagato's Fuuton from his training with Jiraiya.
-Boruto has clones and can stream his chakra to weapons already despite being a Genin. He whooped those goons without clones let alone with clones. That's already a better performance than Sarada's in close range, and close combat is probably the most important part of this fight as both of them lack long range finishing techs

What advantage, that isn't some abstract meaningless stat, does Sarada have that makes this debatable as of now?

 

[KidGamer65]

At this point in the series, intelligence still plays a really huge role considering the power scale hasn't reached that level yet where power is the most important thing of all. But early Shippuden still had that element to it, and Shikamaru vs. Hidan is the perfect example of how intelligence can be a determinant in a fight. Anyone who didn't know about Hidan's power, they would lose with certainty if he could at least draw out their blood. Even Itachi would lose if he fought as recklessly as Naruto.

No, it doesn't. It barely ever has. Idk why this has become such a popular belief.

-Boruto vs. Shojoji. Intelligence played a small factor.
-Team Konohamaru vs. Goons. Intelligence played a small factor.
-Shikadai vs. Boruto. Intelligence played a small factor. Shikadai didn't outsmart Boruto to beat him. He chased Boruto until he managed to catch him.
-Boruto vs. the bubble gum guy. Intelligence played a small factor.
-Naruto vs. Neji. Intelligence played a small factor.
-Sasuke vs. Gaara. Intelligence played a small factor.
-Sasuke vs. Yoroi. Intelligence played a small factor.
-Itachi vs. Sasuke. Intelligence played a small factor.
-Hinata vs. Neji. Intelligence played a small factor.
-Sasuke vs. Naruto (ALL FIGHTS) Intelligence played a small factor.
-Kakuzu vs. Team 10 + Kakashi, then Kakuzu vs. Naruto.

I could go on, but you probably get the gist. Shikamaru vs. Hidan is not a good example.

1. That is one instance of many, with a guy who prioritizes planning due to how his ninjutsu work. That isn't the case for pretty much anyone else, especially mid to high to top tiers.

2. Hidan's ritual and surviving it is related to knowledge. Not how smart you are.

90% of the time the fight's winner is the one with the superior ninja techniques. Not the smartest. This has always been how it worked. Sure, planning and strategies obviously are a factor, but that doesn't mean the one with the highest intelligence stat will be able to execute the best strategy, because their techniques determine what plans they can and cannot execute.

Now let's talk about Boruto and Sarada specifically. How does Sarada benefit from having a 50 pt higher score than Boruto in intelligence? Intelligence = amount of general knowledge + IQ. Sarada having a higher IQ doesn't give her an advantage when she is inferior in the areas of combat that matter or when she doesn't have the tools to make a plan that'd defeat Boruto.

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

It's alt base most of the times. I dunno why that's the case, but I've used alts in the past. However, I couldn't imagine creating over a 100 alts when I'm banned. Idk what that other dude is smoking :lol


When you see a new member whose already supportive of either Hinata or Sakura, it's prob an alt.

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Though somtimes it could actually be a anti pretending to be a pro fan to trick ya

Sometimes I think its obvious based on the first interaction


Weird. I guess it changed then

Guess all old members have had an alt at one point. Must be the tradition here.

True.

Damn.

What was the name of your alt? Saucegay?

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

No, it doesn't. It barely ever has. Idk why this has become such a popular belief.

-Boruto vs. Shojoji. Intelligence played a small factor.
-Team Konohamaru vs. Goons. Intelligence played a small factor.
-Shikadai vs. Boruto. Intelligence played a small factor. Shikadai didn't outsmart Boruto to beat him. He chased Boruto until he managed to catch him.
-Boruto vs. the bubble gum guy. Intelligence played a small factor.
-Naruto vs. Neji. Intelligence played a small factor.
-Sasuke vs. Gaara. Intelligence played a small factor.
-Sasuke vs. Yoroi. Intelligence played a small factor.
-Itachi vs. Sasuke. Intelligence played a small factor.
-Hinata vs. Neji. Intelligence played a small factor.
-Sasuke vs. Naruto (ALL FIGHTS) Intelligence played a small factor.
-Kakuzu vs. Team 10 + Kakashi, then Kakuzu vs. Naruto.

I could go on, but you probably get the gist. Shikamaru vs. Hidan is not a good example.

1. That is one instance of many, with a guy who prioritizes planning due to how his ninjutsu work. That isn't the case for pretty much anyone else, especially mid to high to top tiers.

2. Hidan's ritual and surviving it is related to knowledge. Not how smart you are.

90% of the time the fight's winner is the one with the superior ninja techniques. Not the smartest. This has always been how it worked. Sure, planning and strategies obviously are a factor, but that doesn't mean the one with the highest intelligence stat will be able to execute the best strategy, because their techniques determine what plans they can and cannot execute.

Now let's talk about Boruto and Sarada specifically. How does Sarada benefit from having a 50 pt higher score than Boruto in intelligence? Intelligence = amount of general knowledge + IQ. Sarada having a higher IQ doesn't give her an advantage when she is inferior in the areas of combat that matter or when she doesn't have the tools to make a plan that'd defeat Boruto.

Fair.

However, when they're close in strength, then it kind of holds more weight than when it's a case equivalent to Shikamaru who clearly lacked in Taijutsu/Ninjutsu.

Thus I don't see how it shouldn't play an important role in their fight when Sarada is ranked tiers above him in intelligence and demonstrates Dexterity that isn't so far behind, that can also be compensated for by heightened perception.

But you still make a fair point about how Sarada's versatility, essentially, is lacking. And that's to be blamed on the author who deliberately only gives her CES to rely on despite the DB showing her to have more than just Chakra Enhanced Strength.

She's quite limited, basically, against Boruto and doesn't have much to work with. Though I don't see the sense in the argument of how Boruto's Taijutsu should be superior when Dexterity doesn't really apply in CQC. Sure, reflexes are useful when say, against long ranged attacks, as demonstrated by how he could outpace Shikamaru's fairly fast Shadow Possession Jutsu. However, Sarada has the Sharingan that supplements her greatly in Taijutsu, and then she has chakra enhanced strength. Getting hit by a kick or punch in Taijutsu is usually unavoidable when you're both close in Taijutsu proficiency, and taking into consideration that Sarada has CES she should be able to land at least one punch or two. And imo, that should prove to be advantageous

I believe she has more chances close range than she has long range.

If she can close in the gap right off the bat, Boruto won't get the chances to summon in shadow clones to fight on his behalf, and she has CES so Boruto won't be able to block her punches. That will leave him with dodging them all without contact, and frankly, I think only an ignorant bigot would express they don't believe Sarada would get in one or two punches. And remembering how fatal CES is, this fight shouldn't go on for long.

 

[KidGamer65]

Fair.

However, when they're close in strength, then it kind of holds more weight than when it's a case equivalent to Shikamaru who clearly lacked in Taijutsu/Ninjutsu.

Thus I don't see how it shouldn't play an important role in their fight when Sarada is ranked tiers above him in intelligence and demonstrates Dexterity that isn't so far behind, that can also be compensated for by heightened perception.

But you still make a fair point about how Sarada's versatility, essentially, is lacking. And that's to be blamed on the author who deliberately only gives her CES to rely on despite the DB showing her to have more than just Chakra Enhanced Strength.

She's quite limited, basically, against Boruto and doesn't have much to work with. Though I don't see the sense in the argument of how Boruto's Taijutsu should be superior when Dexterity doesn't really apply in CQC. Sure, reflexes are useful when say, against long ranged attacks, as demonstrated by how he could outpace Shikamaru's fairly fast Shadow Possession Jutsu. However, Sarada has the Sharingan that supplements her greatly in Taijutsu, and then she has chakra enhanced strength. Getting hit by a kick or punch in Taijutsu is usually unavoidable when you're both close in proficiency, and taking into consideration that Sarada has CES she should be able to land at least one punch or two. And imo, that should prove to be advantageous

I actually believe she has more chances close range than she has long range.

If she can close in the gap right off the bat, Boruto won't get the chances to summon in shadow clones to fight on his behalf, and she has CES so Boruto won't be able to block her hands. That'll leave him with dodging them all without contact, and frankly, I think only an ignorant bigot would express they don't believe Sarada would get in one or two punches. And remembering how fatal CES is, this fight should go on for long.

I addressed the bold in my posts to salamander. Perception doesn't change the difference between their actual speed stats, and there's no reason why intelligence would be a deciding factor. If you think so then all you need to do is give an example.

What? Lmao. Dexterity is agility and responsiveness. That's movement and reaction speed. Obviously movement speed is important in close combat because you are moving, and the faster you are moving the better. Reflexes are even more important because you need to respond to enemy attacks. The faster you can do that, the easier you can counter them. Sarada has the Sharingan, yet we have a direct comparison of their close combat capabilities. Sarada needed help with a goon. Boruto laid 4 of them flat on their asses in a matter of seconds with just hand to hand and clones. (I said without clones before so before anyone tries to use that against me I'll correct myself here)

Speed, skill and strength are what determine how good you are in armed or unarmed close combat. Boruto has unarmed combat as one of his main skills and with clones he has feats way better than hers. Each clone even did better than she did against her opponent. Sarada gets a punch in, and the clone poofs. Then the rest beat her. "Only an ignorant bigot would say that she can't hit him" isn't an argument. If you think Sarada will get a clean punch in on a guy with CQC feats that blow hers out of the water, clones, is faster than her, and has Rasengan to clash with her hits along with the ability to stream chakra on his weapons (Kunai and Shuriken for close, mid and long range) you'll have to illustrate that with feats or some other tangible measurement of her abilities.

Oh yeah, and good luck arguing that Sarada is not only fast enough to approach and engage Boruto before he can make the hand sign for clones, but fast and proficient enough in CQC to prevent him from doing so at any point after that despite Boruto being better in CQC and being faster.

 

[Dgrayman]

FYI I know whose alt this is. Not talking about UnknownJin's either.

Let me expose your ass. Give me a reason


How many times do they have to ban you? :lol

do it, expose them,

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

I addressed the bold in my posts to salamander. Perception doesn't change the difference between their actual speed stats, and there's no reason why intelligence would be a deciding factor. If you think so then all you need to do is give an example.

Why is perception even there in the first place if it should be disregarded? You're quite selective.

There are many reasons why intelligence is important, because first of all, Sasuke could only defeat Naruto because he was smarter. He was smarter while Naruro had exceedingly more fire-power. That was always the case.

And speed definitely isn't the only thing that's important, as you and Indra continue to argue, or that's only because that's what Boruto seems to be have a definite advantage over.

Salamander has already mentioned how genin Sasuke could keep up with Haku who was faster than him and he hadn't even awakened his Sharingan yet. We know the story when he did. He could see through every one of his movements, and this Haku was at least x2 faster when moving inside the ice.

A similar logic can be applied here. By feats Boruto is faster, but Sarada also shows not be so far behind.

We can at least be rest assured that Boruto wouldn't be able to blitz her. Sarada should be around the same speed as Iwabe if not slightly below him. Give her 1T of Sharingan and her reflexes should be more fluid.

What? Lmao. Dexterity is agility and responsiveness. That's movement and reaction speed. Obviously movement speed is important in close combat because you are moving, and the faster you are moving the better.

Okay mate.

Reflexes are even more important because you need to respond to enemy attacks.

Sharingan is there for that reason. To boost the user's reflexes. That's how Sarada was capable of responding to Shin's attacks.

The faster you can do that, the easier you can counter them. Sarada has the Sharingan, yet we have a direct comparison of their close combat capabilities.

We haven't seen Sarada's performance against the same ninja's with her Sharingan active. It should improve, by my observation.

Sarada needed help with a goon. Boruto laid 4 of them flat on their asses in a matter of seconds with just hand to hand and clones. (I said without clones before so before anyone tries to use that against me I'll correct myself here)

She needed help with a goon after taking down 2 with relative ease and didn't even have to activate her Sharingan to do it, which improves overall performance.

Speed, skill and strength are what determine how good you are in armed or unarmed close combat

Except, Shikamaru has contradicted that notion by defeating Hidan without any of those but skill.

Boruto has unarmed combat as one of his main skills and with clones he has feats way better than hers.

Who do you mean by ''others''. But you definitely don't mean Mitsuki.

It's been proven many times over that clones are weakened versions of the original. As in, they're not as strong or fast as the original. Their power could be half of the original. That's why Boruto mostly uses them for diversions.

Each clone even did better than she did against her opponent.

I want to believe this, but I also can't because you're a Boruto fan.

Sarada gets a punch in, and the clone poofs. Then the rest beat her.

No. She does the same thing she did to the first one to all of them, and then takes on Boruto's cowardly ass.

Only an ignorant bigot would say that she can't hit him" isn't an argument. If you think Sarada will get a clean punch in on a guy with CQC feats that blow hers out of the water, clones, is faster than her, and has Rasengan to clash with her hits along with the ability to stream chakra on his weapons (Kunai and Shuriken for close, mid and long range) you'll have to illustrate that with feats or some other tangible measurement of her abilities.

So Boruto is supposed to get out of the fight as a victor who didn't get touched? He must be on Mitsuki's league.

His Rasengan is minuscule, as far as I can remember, the size of a tenis ball, mostly.

And Sarada wouldn't be dumb enough to charge at him while he's wielding a Rasengan.

Last time I checked, Sarada can also stream lightning through her weapons.

Unfortunately, I'm not a fan of the Manga. I might read it some time since it seems to be causing some inconvenience when it comes to these sort of occasions.

Oh yeah, and good luck arguing that Sarada is not only fast enough to approach and engage Boruto before he can make the hand sign for clones, but fast and proficient enough in CQC to prevent him from doing so at any point after that despite Boruto being better in CQC and being faster.

I haven't seen Sarada engage in actual CQC with Sharingan though, so I can't agree with you. I haven't watched the fight against Shin, but from the Manga, they only clashed for a while and Shin was using a weapon.

 

[lndra]

Just clearing up some stuff don't mind me. IMO, I think you should refrain from debating anything next generation when most of your posts are based on half-assed information, or just wrong information entirely. Though considering what I just read... I think that would also be something to take note of for most of Part 1/2 Naruto as well. :/

Give or take.

We can at least be rest assured that Boruto wouldn't be able to blitz her. Sarada should be around the same speed as Iwabe if not slightly below him. Give her 1T of Sharingan and her reflexes should be more fluid.

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1- Iwabe Yuino

2- Uzumaki Boruto

3- Uchiha Sarada

4- Metal Lee

5- Nara Shikadai

She wouldn't be onpar with Iwabe.

Okay mate.

His Rasengan is minuscule, as far as I can remember, the size of a tenis ball, mostly.

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Anyway sorry Kid for interrupting your discussion. Just felt the need to correct a few of the many failures in the upcoming post you're going to destroy :bdpf:

 

[salamander uchiha]

I'll pretty much add details when I get a chance(I'm a little busy at the moment and will be for a some time) but Zack's generally covered most parts.
I'd like to add Sarada without sharingan and CES being used either wasn't having trouble against the 3rd Goon if she wanted to she could've taken him down using CES let alone sharingan. She also wasnt using CES in this fight thats why it seems as if she was having trouble the simple reason is if she was soloing the goons using CES and she let the 3rd one escape from such a position the plan to follow him to find their boss would've been derailed. Boruto actually butted in and his help wasn't necessary which Sarada scolds him for after he takes him out with rasengan forgetting the plan.

Haku had a speed stat of 4 and Sasuke who likely had a speed stat of 2-2.5 was keeping up with him without sharingan. Which forced Haku to use Ice mirrors further amplifying Haku's speed and once Sasuke awoke his sharingan he was able to keep up with even that. The sharingan adds clarity and precognition to the mix which allows Sarada's to time her hits and amplifies her shuriken jutsu accuracy many fold effectively eliminating any advantages Boruto may hold.

Boruto with his superior speed and shadow clones advantage couldn't land a single hit on shojoji because shojoji says I know about your shadow clone jutsu and pretty much beat them down. He didn't possess Sarada's knowledge or sharingan to do this. Boruto did manage to trick him with the help of the Damyo's son allowing Boruto to give him a sneak attack.
Anyway I must dash I have things to do.

 

[Styles]

Gotta love how hypocritical the Sarada fan's are on Naruto-Base entirely

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"Boruto Volume Stats determine who is superior to someone, and those stats alone"

> But neglects the fact that the Manga, the source content, already states whose superior to one another.

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Well I dunno what's more pathetic. Sarada /w better "stats" failing to do what Boruto did, or Boruto with "worse" stats doing what Sarada couldn't.


But yeah, you can run to your stats, but the Manga stats whose better.


Boruto would fodderize her based on everything. I'll give you a pass because I know you don't keep up with BORUTO as a whole, but if you actually believe this. Then we can debate.

I think it'll be more fun than trying to talk to that Fairy Tail dude :lol

I was playin lmao Sarada don't even have feats yet. And i got no notification and all these pages done happened lol

 

[lndra]

I was playin lmao Sarada don't even have feats yet. And i got no notification and all these pages done happened lol

Low key just want them to fight so people can shut up about this Boruto v. Sarada nonsense. Becoming Hinata/Sakura level of shitposting

 

[Styles]

Low key just want them to fight so people can shut up about this Boruto v. Sarada nonsense. Becoming Hinata/Sakura level of shitposting

:| Now i get a notification smh NB trippin hard man. Nah i don't wanna see that in Naruto when have a girl ever beat a dude in a fight? In NV it's a dudes world and chicks are just living in it. Even Kaguya who was supposedly strongest in the world was scared of Momo and co.

 

[KidGamer65]

Why is perception even there in the first place if it should be disregarded? You're quite selective.

Go read what I said and then respond again. This sentence shows me that you didn't read what I stated, you didn't comprehend what I stated or you are purposely ignoring what I stated. Perception has not a damn thing to do with speed.

There are many reasons why intelligence is important, because first of all, Sasuke could only defeat Naruto because he was smarter. He was smarter while Naruro had exceedingly more fire-power. That was always the case.

Give tangible evidence for this being true, because all I see is you making stuff up. Sasuke and Naruto's battles have always been about who was stronger. Period. Don't lie like I won't fact check you. :lol Like come on. Really now pal?

And speed definitely isn't the only thing that's important, as you and Indra continue to argue, or that's only because that's what Boruto seems to be have a definite advantage over.

Except I nor Indra ever said the bold.

Salamander has already mentioned how genin Sasuke could keep up with Haku who was faster than him and he hadn't even awakened his Sharingan yet. We know the story when he did. He could see through every one of his movements, and this Haku was at least x2 faster when moving inside the ice.

Salamander's post was addressed so idk why you are referencing it in a new post.

We can at least be rest assured that Boruto wouldn't be able to blitz her. Sarada should be around the same speed as Iwabe if not slightly below him. Give her 1T of Sharingan and her reflexes should be more fluid.

So basically you just rehashed what I said in my post. Boruto is faster, but can't blitz. The bold is based on literally nothing. What's even worse is that you are probably basing this off of the anime since Iwabe is an anime only character, and that was them in the academy. Being as fast as an academy Iwabe isn't special when talking about Genin Sarada and Genin Boruto.

That an Iwabe was canonically stated to be physically superior to her. So was Boruto.

Sharingan is there for that reason. To boost the user's reflexes. That's how Sarada was capable of responding to Shin's attacks.

So? How does this change anything I said?

We haven't seen Sarada's performance against the same ninja's with her Sharingan active. It should improve, by my observation.

She needed help with a goon after taking down 2 with relative ease and didn't even have to activate her Sharingan to do it, which improves overall performance.

She fought one at a time. Boruto fought 4 at the same time and beat them faster than she beat her opponents. Her 1-Tomoe Sharingan not being active doesn't make up for that difference.

Except, Shikamaru has contradicted that notion by defeating Hidan without any of those but skill.

I addressed this already. The exception is not the rule. Sarada is not Shikamaru. Boruto is not Hidan. This is not Shikamaru vs. Hidan. This is Sarada vs. Boruto. If all you can do is respond with stuff I already counter do me a favor and stop quoting me. :lol

Who do you mean by ''others''. But you definitely don't mean Mitsuki.

It's been proven many times over that clones are weakened versions of the original. As in, they're not as strong or fast as the original. Their power could be half of the original. That's why Boruto mostly uses them for diversions.

This isn't even close to being a rebuttal to anything I said in that short paragraph.

I want to believe this, but I also can't because you're a Boruto fan.

Good thing I don't care what you believe. What I stated is shown in the Manga. The bold is probably the stupidest thing you've said this whole discussion. I'm not invested enough in this series to be a fan of any of the new generation.

No. She does the same thing she did to the first one to all of them, and then takes on Boruto's cowardly ass.

Based on what? Oh wait, nothing. Because you have yet to give me a premise. You're only making excuses and using shoddy logic.

So Boruto is supposed to get out of the fight as a victor who didn't get touched? He must be on Mitsuki's league.

His Rasengan is minuscule, as far as I can remember, the size of a tenis ball, mostly.

And Sarada wouldn't be dumb enough to charge at him while he's wielding a Rasengan.

Last time I checked, Sarada can also stream lightning through her weapons.

Unfortunately, I'm not a fan of the Manga. I might read it some time since it seems to be causing some inconvenience when it comes to these sort of occasions.

-Not a rebuttal.

-False as Indra has shown.

-Irrelevant to the argument.

-False. Has never once happened in the Manga, Anime, Movie or the Novel.

Don't argue who wins in a fight if you aren't familiar with the source material. It'll save you from making bad posts like these.

I haven't seen Sarada engage in actual CQC with Sharingan though, so I can't agree with you. I haven't watched the fight against Shin, but from the Manga, they only clashed for a while and Shin was using a weapon.

It doesn't matter what you've seen. Everything I said is based on fact from the Manga. There is no "disagreeing". Only conceding.

I'll pretty much add details when I get a chance(I'm a little busy at the moment and will be for a some time) but Zack's generally covered most parts.
I'd like to add Sarada without sharingan and CES being used either wasn't having trouble against the 3rd Goon if she wanted to she could've taken him down using CES let alone sharingan. She also wasnt using CES in this fight thats why it seems as if she was having trouble the simple reason is if she was soloing the goons using CES and she let the 3rd one escape from such a position the plan to follow him to find their boss would've been derailed. Boruto actually butted in and his help wasn't necessary which Sarada scolds him for after he takes him out with rasengan forgetting the plan.

Whether or not she needed help is irrelevant. She still was struggling against the same goons Boruto stomped in a few seconds. Sure, she wasn't using CES, but lets not act like Boruto was going all out against those goons either. As of now Boruto's CQC feats shit on hers. The DB makes it clear that he's superior in that field too. Unarmed hand to hand is one of his main skills. Not the case for Sarada.

Sure, she wasn't using Sharingan or enhanced strength. Boruto only used hand to hand and he fought 4x the amount of opponents as Sarada.

Haku had a speed stat of 4 and Sasuke who likely had a speed stat of 2-2.5 was keeping up with him without sharingan. Which forced Haku to use Ice mirrors further amplifying Haku's speed and once Sasuke awoke his sharingan he was able to keep up with even that. The sharingan adds clarity and precognition to the mix which allows Sarada's to time her hits and amplifies her shuriken jutsu accuracy many fold effectively eliminating any advantages Boruto may hold.

Ok. You can stop repeating this now. Sharingan at it's lowest level only lets you follow fast movements. There is no precognition thus none of the striked out parts are valid.

Boruto with his superior speed and shadow clones advantage couldn't land a single hit on shojoji because shojoji says I know about your shadow clone jutsu and pretty much beat them down. He didn't possess Sarada's knowledge or sharingan to do this. Boruto did manage to trick him with the help of the Damyo's son allowing Boruto to give him a sneak attack.
Anyway I must dash I have things to do.

I'm also going to pretend like you didn't just compare Sarada to Shojoji. If you guys want to prove Sarada is superior I suggest you start making sense. Shojoji is faster, stronger and more durable than Sarada and it's not even close. He's also faster, stronger and more durable than Boruto which is why he was able to destroy all his shadow clones. Knowledge is irrelevant. Knowledge doesn't affect his ability to take down Boruto's clones. Knowledge let him know that if he destroyed 3-4 clones Boruto would be finished as he can't make any more.

 

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Go read what I said and then respond again. This sentence shows me that you didn't read what I stated, you didn't comprehend what I stated or you are purposely ignoring what I stated. Perception has not a damn thing to do with speed.

Not quite. If it had nothing to do with speed, then Sasuke would still have gotten pasted by Naruto
even when he unlocked the 3rd Tomoe in VoTE 1.

One would think a Sasuke Uchiha fan would have an idea about the functions of the Sharingan.

Sure, Sarada's speed shouldn't increase, obviously. However, the Sharingan gives her a superior perception, allowing her to move say, 3 more seconds faster than she normally would've with normal eyes. I think that's the best way we can explain it. And that's the importance of perception in this case. Seeing as Boruto has some menacing speed advantage.

Give tangible evidence for this being true, because all I see is you making stuff up. Sasuke and Naruto's battles have always been about who was stronger. Period. Don't lie like I won't fact check you. :lol Like come on. Really now pal?

Besides Sasuke and Naruto, there are other examples, but intelligence still plays a role in a fight.

There's also Sasuke vs. Deidara that
was mostly dominated by tactics and quick-thinking.

Except I nor Indra ever said the bold.

But you imply.

So basically you just rehashed what I said in my post. Boruto is faster, but can't blitz. The bold is based on literally nothing. What's even worse is that you are probably basing this off of the anime since Iwabe is an anime only character, and that was them in the academy. Being as fast as an academy Iwabe isn't special when talking about Genin Sarada and Genin Boruto.

>Admits Boruto can't blitz
>Supposes he can ''shit on her''

Typical charlatan.

Regardless, Sarada is still not far off in speed, and this is best bet Boruto has to win. In his Ninjutsu he only has VR and what else? Streaming lightning chakra through weapons which Sarada can already do? He isn't that versatile, either, and he sure can't spam clones with his good-for-nothing chakra reserves. He'll pretty much have to think it over before he recklessly spams shadow clones and uses a chakra-taxing technique such as VR, which he can't spam either. Sarada on the other hand has more chakra sufficiency, and can spam CES for as much as possible while retaining her chakra reserves.

That an Iwabe was canonically stated to be physically superior to her. So was Boruto.

To be expected. However, that's useless when they can be handled by a herculean punch.

She fought one at a time. Boruto fought 4 at the same time and beat them faster than she beat her opponents. Her 1-Tomoe Sharingan not being active doesn't make up for that difference

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No evidence or whatsoever. Just ranting.
>How does it not? She's not at full power and yet you use that as if it's legit to say that she's inferior to Boruto in her performance? She didn't use CES either according to your admission, and somehow we should take it as a measurement of her overall performance. Which, by the way, can't really be gauged at this point in the Manga.

Don't argue who wins in a fight if you aren't familiar with the source material. It'll save you from making bad posts like these.

Manga is BS though, but I'll endure.

It doesn't matter what you've seen. Everything I said is based on fact from the Manga. There is no "disagreeing". Only conceding

There isn't conceding either. There is only in fact agreeing that Sarada isn't as weak as you make her out to be, based on how she's been deprived of screen-time so the Boruto series gets acquainted with the protoganist. Any person with a logic sees that Boruto has more development than Sarada, in both anime or Manga. He's even had his movie. That's how his Vanishing Rasengan even came about,, or he wouldn't have it in the first place and definitely wouldn't be regarded so highly, based off a feat that we've not seen since we saw it once. Tell me how someone like that won't have a more dilated arsenal.

Whether or not she needed help is irrelevant. She still was struggling against the same goons Boruto stomped in a few seconds. Sure, she wasn't using CES, but lets not act like Boruto was going all out against those goons either. As of now Boruto's CQC feats shit on hers. The DB makes it clear that he's superior in that field too. Unarmed hand to hand is one of his main skills. Not the case for Sarada.

She wasn't using CES or Sharingan. Just pure Taijutsu. In comparison to Boruto who used shadow clones.

Even part 1 Naruto who was once hopelessly weak could be strong with the help of Shadow clones. We saw that in the beginning of the series when he took out a Chuunin when he was merely a genin.

As of right now, it has been highlighted more and thus appears to be superior. But it doesn't ''shit on it'' like you say.

Okay, time to pull out your proof for that claim. Show me that part in the DB that makes it clear that Boruto is superior. I'll wait.

Sure, she wasn't using Sharingan or enhanced strength. Boruto only used hand to hand and he fought 4x the amount of opponents as Sarada.

>Sarada used plain Taijutsu
>Boruto used Taijutsu +
Shadow Clones

Guess Boruto is more impressive than Sarada who didn't rely on a special technique.