[VS] Sakura vs Hinata.

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

Rock Lee vs Neji discussion anyone?

Unnecessary. Lee out-pacing a TSB is enough to end the debate.

 

[Jinrou]

Yes, meaning it's obviously implied that more than just the fist and fingers are enhanced as Tsunade was able to lift the Dosu and the reason is because of her CES. I don't know why you keep on talking about Tsunade's natural strength. Once again. The databook states that Tsunade's absurd strength feats are due to CES. Not because she is naturally strong on top of CES, but because she uses CES. If you want to argue natural strength is relevant you'll need to prove it. Having a 5 in strength isn't "immense" natural strength and the whole Senju thing is you not reading that right. She said her true power is something she got from Hashirama. The Will of Fire. She doesn't mention the Senju nor does she mention getting her physical strength from them.

You're blatantly denying fact at this point. The DB states that CES=Ability to lift Dosu, thus all forms of strength, not just strikes, are enhanced. This isn't arguable or negotiable.

And can you please stop missing the point with this comparison? It's not that hard to understand. The point is that your logic fails for that comparison thus it is not sound logic. The comparison being "unfair" is irrelevant. What I'm saying isn't rocket science. If you want to claim that "linear" and "complex fighting style" let Hinata beat Sakura then the same should apply for all scenarios, but it does not so your logic is wrong.

To make it simple so you don't reply with something besides the point being made: Show feats, actual feats, that let Hinata parry Sakura's punches. Not buzz words like linear and complex fighting style.

If Sakura punches and Hinata tries to parry, she dies. Nothing more to it.

And I asked for speed feats that let her evade the blast in time 3 posts ago.

I'm not trying to deny anything but trying to make you understand how that Db2 is being misunderstood for something else. Are you really okay with accepting that strength is enhanced by concentrating chakra in the fists not muscles?

Lightning release chakra mode [

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] and SM are modes that enhance their users strength beyond normal levels but yet Raikage and the sage toad (who threw Gamabunta) won't be able to replicate the ground destruction feats Tsunade and Sakura have exhibited. One can possibly use the fine tuning argument but surely throwing Bunta himself is a greater feat than lifting his sword so there should be no reason why the ground punch thing can't be replicated by that toad except they are two different things.

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] Between these three images, you'll be surprised to find out the attack that produces the weakest damage to the ground is the only one among those three that was meant to kill. This same attack is listed in the same page as that Db2 quote [

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] but its description gives the clearest reason as to why it would be weak.

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Heavenly Foot of Pain (Tsuuten Kyaku)

Taijutsu, C-rank, Offensive, Close range

User: Tsunade

The heel swung down in anger makes the ground rumble in kind with an ultra-hard smackdown!!

All of her body’s outrageous strength is concentrated into her heel. Her stance crystallizes the body’s dynamics in a magnificent demonstration of the art of hand to hand combat. And when her heel swings downward, it’s as if a comet had fallen!! Nothing and no one could receive a direct hit and avoid pulverization.

The remainder of the impact smashed not only the ground, but the nearby rampart into tiny bits…!!

No mention of Chakra

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] You might be right btw lol but doesn't the discussion look like she was referring to the only attribute she inherited due to her Senju lineage seeing as wood style and med ninjutsu aren't physical attributes?

Hinata had no problem parrying the attack of someone capable of putting a human.. armor and all through a tree with only 32 pokes iirc. But you obviously still won't agree with this if you still say stuff like the underlined.. And this is a Sakura that has shown no extraordinary strength feats aside from superimposing Tsunade's own feats for her based on what i believe is a misunderstanding.

You asked for speed feats and i explained the byakugan would see the chakra build up giving her more time needed to get a head start in either stopping with an air palm or escaping. You say Sakura does the same thing all the time but obviously the chakra utilized in the training fight with kakashi =/= the chakra utilized for the Juubi clearing. They would be differing amounts and i don't see how the byakugan wouldn't be able to tell them apart considering Neji was able to tell Deidara's clone was about to explode iirc.

I also see you replied to someone that Kabuto disabled this CES..but how would you explain this? Kabuto does not have chakra disrupting abilities and he obviously failed at disabling her muscles if Tsunade could still punch him with what i believe is her natural strength. [

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[BLAZE]

Honestly Dunno how obvious can it get

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Databook 2 p.250

TAIJUTSU; Tsuuten Kyaku (Excruciating Surgical Kick of Heaven*)
User: Tsunade
Offensive, Close range; Rank: C

Main text

All of her body's "outrageous strength" is concentrated into her heel. Her stance crystallizes the body's dynamics in a magnificent demonstration of the art of hand to hand combat. And when her heel swings downward, it's as if a comet had fallen!! Nothing and no one could receive a direct hit and avoid pulverization.

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-The heel swung down in anger makes the ground rumble in kind with an ultra-hard smackdown!!

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-The remainder of the impact smashed not only the ground, but the nearby rampart into tiny bits...!!

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Konoha Thousand Leaves Collection #24

It would seem Tsunade's "outrageous strength" completely ignores the laws of nature!! The challenge to common sense that is her power is due in no small part to her artful chakra control and fine-tuning. To give things a name, by instantly collecting chakra into her fist and fingers, she obtains a power of destruction bodily strength alone cannot achieve.

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-Here's to a painful and bitter end! Such is Tsunade-hime's insane, "Legendary", power!!

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-One finger, and Naruto cannot close in on her. And she can handle Gamabunta's huge dosu** with absurd ease...?!

-The kind of might that opens craters into the ground in one blow!!

 

[Made in Heaven]

Alright then.

Good, so you agree Hinata can fight opponents faster than her.

Since Tensiegan puppets > Hiashi > Hinata in speed, yet she still was beating them 1 VS 5+.

This means Hinata's taijutsu and reflexes is enough to handle opponents that can move faster than her

And her Byakugan would enhance her reflexes (even if you want to deny the Bolt anime, this is also said in the manga).

So why would you think Sakura would be able to blitz Hinata if you acknowledge she's been shown fighting off multiple opponents in CQC w/o her Byakugan? Especially with Sakura's sweeping, linear movements in battle?

He never paried any of her punches

You can see here he parries a tackle from her, as evidenced by that contact mark between them, and that shoulder tackle should logically be CES

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No, what I'm saying is, the Hamura chakra Hinata has is featless

She combined it with her techs and had enough to heal Naruto's near-0 reserves without being tired. She was even shown being able to burst it out of her body to form a sort of cloak around her, as you have seen.

Rikudo chakra is what we've seen from Naruto and Sasuke

Hamura's Chakra IS Rikudo Chakra.

show me proof for a significant boost in her power.

Does Rikudo Chakra give a significant boost in power? Yes.
Did Hamura give Hinata more Rikudo than Naruto did Bijuu Chakra? Yes.
Can Hinata combine it with her techniques? Yes.

Lol no, at best she just healed Naruto

Even then, Naruto's own reserves > V1 Cloak

KCM is made from Kurama's chakra so that's just your fanfic

Naruto and Kurama can transform their Chakras to each other. And Kurama was fighting the Hamura Golem at the time, so he couldn't give Naruto Chakra I think.

And if you are right, again, Naruto's own reserves are massive, more so than even Sasuke's, so that's still a massive testament to the amount of Chakra Hinata got regardless.

also it's still featless and not even comparable to the kyuubi's cloak by feats.

Won't deny that, but common sense help a lot here.

We don’t need proof for Fugaku’s Sharingan being able to use precognition, because we know all Sharingans can do this.
We don’t need proof that Hinata’s Byakugan has a blind spot because we know all Byakugan have it.
We don’t need proof that Lee can use the Morning Peacock, because we know anyone who can use the 6th can use this.

And of course, we don’t need proof that Sakura’s Yin Seal can regrow her limbs and organs even though she’s only shown healing skin because we know Yin Seal can do these things.

Likewise, we don’t need proof to argue that Hinata’s Rikudo Chakra increased her stats, because we know for a fact that Rikudo Chakra itself will increase the stats of whoever uses it, as we’ve seen with Naruto, Sasuke, and Kakashi.

What kind of incompetent Hyuuga wouldn't be able to do that?

Well, Hiashi didn't pull it off despite also being with a Yamanaka Anyways, just saying, it's a great precision feat, especially when you consider that they were falling from the air while Hinata pulled it off.

Only to be chased after and blitzed by Sakura.

You just acknowledged above Hinata can deal with opponents faster than her. And Sakura isn't so much faster than Hinata that this would change.

After getting distance, she can just jump again and blitz her, or better yet throw another bomb or poison kuni her way.:elmo:

Then the cycle repeats then until Sakura runs out of equipment

It's all moumentom this common physics force equals mass by acceleration, the faster she goes the stronger her punch, her falling down and punching = jumping forward/backwards and punching, same thing.

Okay, I didn't say otherwise. I said for Sakura to cause as much damage as she did in the war, she needs to first jump up super high, in which she gets intercepted by Air Palm.

 

[KidGamer65]

I'm not trying to deny anything but trying to make you understand how that Db2 is being misunderstood for something else. Are you really okay with accepting that strength is enhanced by concentrating chakra in the fists not muscles?

No. It isn't. You are blatantly denying fact. :lol I already addressed the striked out part. What is implied is that more than just her fists and fingers are enhanced since she is capable of lifting Gamabunta's sword. All this other stuff you are going on about with Raiton Armor and Sage Mode are irrelevant. Ay and Fukasaku not being able to replicate Tsunade and Sakura's feats are irrelevant. Throwing Gamabunta doesn't put Fukasaku on par with Tsunade or Sakura. What kind of logic is that? Two people being able to do the same thing doesn't make them equal as there is nothing showing that what either person did is the peak of their strength, and it's not considering Rusty Tsunade is capable of handling, not just lifting, but handling, Gamabunta's blade with ABSURD EASE, and Ay has no physical feat of any measure that'd put him on Tsunade's level so there is no issue there.

I'm also not going to take that spoiler seriously, because it's already a fact that Tsunade's outrageous strength comes from chakra, not raw physical power. I'm going to need you to start using common sense and realize that some things are implied and not outright stated. And BLAZE's post alone ends all this anyway.

Fact: Tsunade's lifting strength comes from CES.
Fact: Her natural strength has not a thing to do with it.
Fact: Sakura uses the same tech thus gets the same benefits and has displayed power on Tsunade's level.

Like bro, come on. Your argument is based on cherry picking and pointing out the lack of certain words in DB entries when the Manga has already shown us what you are questioning is true or not.

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This was addressed nor does the comparison even make sense. A small chasm is not comparable to two wide craters. Come on now man.

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Man.... She blatantly states what she inherited and it was the Will of Fire. Not anything else. He called her weak, she said physical strength isn't everything and that what she inherited was the Will of Fire. No Senju has shown immense strength anyway so idk why you are trying to push this point.

"My true power lies in something passed down the line

Something=1 thing. Not 2 things. Something=Will of Fire.

Hinata had no problem parrying the attack of someone capable of putting a human.. armor and all through a tree with only 32 pokes iirc. But you obviously still won't agree with this if you still say stuff like the underlined.. And this is a Sakura that has shown no extraordinary strength feats aside from superimposing Tsunade's own feats for her based on what i believe is a misunderstanding.

Is Neji on Sakura's level of physical power? Yes or no? The answer is no, so the comparison fails. That simple. There is no misunderstanding here. We have the facts in black and white writing yet you are STILL making every excuse in the book.

You asked for speed feats and i explained the byakugan would see the chakra build up giving her more time needed to get a head start in either stopping with an air palm or escaping. You say Sakura does the same thing all the time but obviously the chakra utilized in the training fight with kakashi =/= the chakra utilized for the Juubi clearing. They would be differing amounts and i don't see how the byakugan wouldn't be able to tell them apart considering Neji was able to tell Deidara's clone was about to explode iirc.

But those aren't speed feats. The bold is irrelevant. Those are two different versions of Sakura. What she used against the Juubi is more because she had more available.

I also see you replied to someone that Kabuto disabled this CES..but how would you explain this? Kabuto does not have chakra disrupting abilities and he obviously failed at disabling her muscles if Tsunade could still punch him with what i believe is her natural strength. [

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He said he used the scalpel to disable her outrageous strength. It's somewhere in that chapter. I can't be asked to go find it right now, but this should be pretty obvious considering she hit him and he didn't die.

 

[DrProof]

7 pages of f*ckery :lol

We need more interesting matchups then this. Sakura & Hinata are boring af.

 

[BLAZE]

He said he used the scalpel to disable her outrageous strength. It's somewhere in that chapter. I can't be asked to go find it right now, but this should be pretty obvious considering she hit him and he didn't die.

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dunno why is it even being discussed when when DB itself classified outrageous strength that tsunade used as chakra based and repeteadly states Sakura inherited everything from Tsunade.

I don't think anyone will stupid enough to say tsunade can't enhance her kicks using chakra and can break ribcage susanoo via pure physical strength

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[Belserion]

Honestly Dunno how obvious can it get

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Lmao! And I was believing some Tsunade Fans saying she has natural monstrous strength because of lifting Gamabuntas sword but that was chakra based too?

Imo RIP

 

[TheEvilOne]

He said he used the scalpel to disable her outrageous strength. It's somewhere in that chapter. I can't be asked to go find it right now, but this should be pretty obvious considering she hit him and he didn't die.

I think it is confusing because back in part1 CES as a technique was non-existent. When Jiraiya saw Tsunade using her strength he was surprised she's still so strong after years of drinking. And Kabuto cut the muscles in her arms, her chakra network wasn't damaged, so she could've used CES because she was able to use Ranshinsho and medical ninjutsu just fine.

I think Kishi originally intended her strength to be natural ( hence why she got 5 points in the databook ) but changed it later when he gave the same power to Sakura.

 

[BLAZE]

Lmao! And I was believing some Tsunade Fans saying she has natural monstrous strength because of lifting Gamabuntas sword but that was chakra based too?

Imo RIP

tsunade does have natural strength but yeah she used chakra enhancement to lift the tanto

 

[TheEvilOne]

We know Tsunade was completely out of chakra so she must've used her natural strength to move the stones that covered her. [

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[Tauren Chieftain]

I like how others are making excuses Hinata doesn´t have speed, reflexes and actual CQC feats. Yet wa are talking about same guys who say Sakura beats Neji and even Hiashi . So it shouldn´t be surprising.

 

[BLAZE]

can u believe this guy is still moaning without posting any single feat
guess thats what happens when make hundred of shitty alts like Djordje to fap over might gai and madara then mad titan thanos to fap over sasuke or naruto depending which side has more trolls and now another shitty alt to fap over hinata.Then again he makes asinine threads like these [

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but i guess its just a phase and will pass and then he will look for some new char to fap over :lol

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

can u believe this guy is still moaning without posting any single feat
guess thats what happens when make hundred of shitty alts like Djordje to fap over might gai and madara then mad titan thanos to fap over sasuke or naruto depending which side has more trolls and now another shitty alt to fap over hinata.Then again he makes asinine threads like these [

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but i guess its just a phase and will pass and then he will look for some new char to fap over :lol

1 . In am not posting anything .In this thread I asked for 3 scans that will support their claims and yet no one provided them .

2.Me trolling and fapping over Madara,Sasuke,Itachi ,Naruto,Putin was in 90 % cases agreement with other 3-4 members whose name I am not going to tell. And fapping some character doesn´t mean that in reality they are my favorite.

 

[BLAZE]

1 . In am not posting anything .In this thread I asked for 3 scans that will support their claims and yet no one provided them .

No first thing you did was claim hinata wins mid diff
then moaned for scan of sakura defeating hinata in cqc.epitome of stupidity considering neither has Juubi jin obito defeated konohamaru according to the same shitty logic .And then there is this Gold

I can say Hinata wins, you can say Sakura wins, until this happens I have right to claim anything .

Lemme just change this post a little

I can say Konohamaru wins, you can say Juubi Jin Obito wins, until this happens I have right to claim anything .

2.Me trolling and fapping over Madara,Sasuke,Itachi ,Naruto,Putin was in 90 % cases agreement with other 3-4 members whose name I am not going to tell. And fapping some character doesn´t mean that in reality they are my favorite.

Nah it just makes you troll and takes away the right to moan when others are actually posting when you are fapping.And yeah the argument won't go anywhere becoz we both know you are trolling based your phases to fap over chars so not even gonna bother :lol

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

No first thing you did was claim hinata wins mid diff
then moaned for scan of sakura defeating hinata in cqc.epitome of stupidity considering neither has Juubi jin obito defeated konohamaru according to the same shitty logic .And then there is this Gold



Lemme just change this post a little





Nah it just makes you troll and takes away the right to moan when others are actually posting when you are fapping.And yeah the argument won't go anywhere becoz we both know you are trolling based your phases to fap over chars so not even gonna bother :lol

1. I never denied many of my threads were troll threads that should be clear just by reading them. I never denied my alts ( in the beggining I was in order not to get banned) all my friends knew about them. I dont see problem there.At least I am not hiding that.

2. What feats others have to support their claim Sakura wins. I am not asking about feats of her hitting the ground and smashing rocks . I am asking about her actual CQC feats against someone who is not :

- puppet
- fodder clone like Zetsu ,Juubi .

Nor am I counting sucker punches like hitting Shin,Kaguya.

getting wrecked by Omoi is her only CQC feat

 

[TheEvilOne]

1. I never denied many of my threads were troll threads that should be clear just by reading them. I never denied my alts ( in the beggining I was in order not to get banned) all my friends knew about them. I dont see problem there.At least I am not hiding that.

2. What feats others have to support their claim Sakura wins. I am not asking about feats of her hitting the ground and smashing rocks . I am asking about her feats actual CQC feats against someone who is not :

- puppet
- fodder clone like Zetsu ,Juubi .

Nor am I counting sucker punches like hitting Shin,Kaguya.

And you keep fapping on Hinata's fictional abilities, unbelievable.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

again just a GF tab on the forehead is all she needs to shutdown byakugou

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then she can just spam vacuum palm or do 64 palms or even do organ damage

 

[BLAZE]

I never denied many of my threads were troll threads

then yeah no one should bother with you considering your purpose is to troll which is evident by second post on this thread

getting wrecked by Omoi is her only CQC feat

So you have problem in reading manga too or is it just comprhension skills oh wait must be troll syndrome :lol

And you keep fapping on Hinata's fictional abilities, unbelievable.

he himself stated at the starting of thread he will contnue to argue for hinata since sakura hasn't defeated her in manga

its same as anyone saying kid sauke beats hashirama senju since there is no scan of hashirama beating him.Best option would be to not bother with those trolls

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

So you have problem in reading manga too or is it just comprhension skills oh wait must be troll syndrome :lol

Post a scans I asked for . Oh wait you can´t .

Its not that I am constantly trolling .You are not so different from me I saw 100 times that your posts are trolling certain fanbases and constantly mocking other members for their opinion.