[VS] Sakura vs Hinata.

[Jinrou]

Semantics. What Sakura, Tsunade and every other Ninja does to enhance their strength is the same. They gather chakra in the area they want to enhance. The only difference is, Sakura and Tsunade are master medical Ninja thus the extent they can perform this is far beyond that of other shinobi.

Databook 2 blatantly states that Tsunade's ability to gather chakra into her fists and fingers is why she is capable of lifting Gamabunta's blade. Sakura's ability is the same as Tsunade's, stated in the Manga, shown in the Manga,

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So either you attempt to argue that Sakura isn't using Tsunade's ability or you concede to the fact that Tsunade's ability is what lets her lift the Dosu, thus Sakura can do the same, thus CES (or whatever you want to call it because semantics aren't important) enhances all forms of strength, not just striking.

Bold is exactly why your logic doesn't work. You said Hinata has the advantage because 'Sakura is a linear fighter and Hinata's style is more complex'. Yet if I try to say that for Neji and Tsunade, I'd be wrong. Meaning you have to switch up your logic. Nothing is wrong with the comparison. Your reason for why Hinata can do what you are claiming just doesn't hold up. If the logic can't be universally applied to all scenarios no matter the variables then the logic is flawed somewhere.

No, it wouldn't, because that is how all her strikes work. Chakra is gathered and released. She doesn't gather more chakra just when she jumps, and less when she doesn't. That wouldn't make any sense. It'd make more sense to do the inverse.

When you need to enhance speed, you don't only enhance your legs.

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Body Flicker Technique (Shunshin no Jutsu)

Ninjutsu, D-rank, Supplementary

Users: Gaara, Hatake Kakashi, et al

A movement technique with extreme speed like a gust of wind!!

Appearing along with the wind, disappearing like the wind: the ninja’s instantaneous movement technique. This super fast movement is almost impossible to grasp with the naked eye. If seen by an ordinary person, it would seem as if the user has teleported… In reality, the user has vitalized his body with chakra and moved at super speeds. The amount of chakra used up differs depending on the distance and elevation of their stopping point in comparison to the starting point.

The cloud of sand dances in the wind…

Haku’s and Kakashi’s Body Flicker. Dancing leaves and disappearing in an instant like mist.

There are many variations of the Body Flicker for the various villages and user. Gaara’s use includes the Sand Body Flicker. There are also the Mist Body Flicker, Water Body Flicker, and Leaf Body Flicker, among many others.

If strength is needed to be enhanced, i seriously fail to see how the muscles would be left out. Lifting especially would require muscles in the arms not just the fists right?

What Tsunade and Sakura do is more akin to an enhanced punch because they concentrate chakra to their fists. But Tsunade already has immense natural strength something her stat says and something it looks like she tells Madara its the only thing she got from her senju lineage. [

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]..and that's why physical strength related feats of hers shouldn't be ascribed to Sakura imo...

Your comparison is between p1 Neji and Tsunade who is tiers above him in everything... Its an unfair matchup comparison or not.. But Sakura isn't... greater than Hinata in speed and what not? Possibly.. but obviously not out of sight superior than. If Sakura punches, Hinata parries her arm.

I never said Sakura would jump.... i meant if Sakura punches, Hinata jumps outwards from the impact point.

 

[Megax Rocker7]

Not comparing that. The puppets dog piled Hiashi while he was attempting to escape, meaning they were faster than him. That is all I am pointing out.

Alright then.

Kabuto VS Tsunade

He never paried any of her punches

Rikudo Chakra is better in quality than Bijuu Chakra wtf :lol And are you seriously claiming Hamura's chakra isn't Rikudo Chakra? Please tell me I'm just misunderstanding this.

No, what I'm saying is, the Hamura chakra Hinata has is featless, Rikudo chakra is what we've seen from Naruto and Sasuke, show me proof for a significant boost in her power.

Nope. Hinata can combine it with her techs, so we know she can enhance the power of the techs.

Hinata had enough Rikudo Chakra to fill Naruto up and allow him to enter KCM.

KCM Naruto > V1 Bijuu Cloak.

Meaning the quality is better and the amount received is greater. And if she can combine it with the complex TLF, she can combine it with the comparatively mundane Air Palm.

Lol no, at best she just healed Naruto, KCM is made from Kurama's chakra so that's just your fanfic, also it's still featless and not even comparable to the kyuubi's cloak by feats.

Hinata aimed Ino's Mind transfer from many many meters away though. And of course, 64 Palms is also good aiming feat.

What kind of incompetent Hyuuga wouldn't be able to do that?

Byakugan would allow Hinata to see the sleep powder and jump out of the way,.

Only to be chased after and blitzed by Sakura.

You just said Sakura would jump away from the smoke of the sleeping gas above. Now you're saying she will chase Hinata. How is she doing both :lol

After getting distance, she can just jump again and blitz her, or better yet throw another bomb or poison kuni her way.:elmo:

lol She does because facts say so. Show me her doing that w/o jumping

It's all moumentom this common physics force equals mass by acceleration, the faster she goes the stronger her punch, her falling down and punching = jumping forward/backwards and punching, same thing.:elmo:

 

[Megax Rocker7]

lol where tf is this fanfiction of Kabuto being on par with Kakashi in taijutsu coming from?

And this point is irrelevant. Even if P1 Kabuto > P2 Hinata in taijutsu, the bottom line is that Kabuto with his normal strength parried Tsunade's CES, so CES can be parried by normal human taijutsu, let alone Gentle Fist.

No, that means his taijutsu is still above the likes of Hinata all things considered, and no he never parried Tsunade's CES, not even once.

 

[KidGamer65]

When you need to enhance speed, you don't only enhance your legs.

If strength is needed to be enhanced, i seriously fail to see how the muscles would be left out. Lifting especially would require muscles in the arms not just the fists right?

What Tsunade and Sakura do is more akin to an enhanced punch because they concentrate chakra to their fists. But Tsunade already has immense natural strength something her stat says and something it looks like she tells Madara its the only thing she got from her senju lineage. [

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]..and that's why physical strength related feats of hers shouldn't be ascribed to Sakura imo...

Your comparison is between p1 Neji and Tsunade who is tiers above him in everything... Its an unfair matchup comparison or not.. But Sakura isn't... greater than Hinata in speed and what not? Possibly.. but obviously not out of sight superior than. If Sakura punches, Hinata parries her arm.

I never said Sakura would jump.... i meant if Sakura punches, Hinata jumps outwards from the impact point.

Yes, meaning it's obviously implied that more than just the fist and fingers are enhanced as Tsunade was able to lift the Dosu and the reason is because of her CES. I don't know why you keep on talking about Tsunade's natural strength. Once again. The databook states that Tsunade's absurd strength feats are due to CES. Not because she is naturally strong on top of CES, but because she uses CES. If you want to argue natural strength is relevant you'll need to prove it. Having a 5 in strength isn't "immense" natural strength and the whole Senju thing is you not reading that right. She said her true power is something she got from Hashirama. The Will of Fire. She doesn't mention the Senju nor does she mention getting her physical strength from them.

You're blatantly denying fact at this point. The DB states that CES=Ability to lift Dosu, thus all forms of strength, not just strikes, are enhanced. This isn't arguable or negotiable.

And can you please stop missing the point with this comparison? It's not that hard to understand. The point is that your logic fails for that comparison thus it is not sound logic. The comparison being "unfair" is irrelevant. What I'm saying isn't rocket science. If you want to claim that "linear" and "complex fighting style" let Hinata beat Sakura then the same should apply for all scenarios, but it does not so your logic is wrong.

To make it simple so you don't reply with something besides the point being made: Show feats, actual feats, that let Hinata parry Sakura's punches. Not buzz words like linear and complex fighting style.

If Sakura punches and Hinata tries to parry, she dies. Nothing more to it.

And I asked for speed feats that let her evade the blast in time 3 posts ago.

 

[BLAZE]

How can someone be stupid enough to argue kabuto vs tsunade when

1.it was rusty tsunade who hasn't fought for 20 years
2.kabuto took pills to keep up with her
3.kabuto never parried with her

Oh wait its the same moron who believes hiruzen is faster than hebi sasuke :lol

 

[KidGamer65]

How can someone be stupid enough to argue kabuto vs tsunade when

1.it was rusty tsunade who hasn't fought for 20 years
2.kabuto took pills to keep up with her
3.kabuto never parried with her

Oh wait its the same moron who believes hiruzen is faster than hebi sasuke :lol

And he disabled her CES, which is why he was able to survive being hit by her multiple times.

 

[BLAZE]

And he disabled her CES, which is why he was able to survive being hit by her multiple times.

and the funny part is Databook gives him same taijutsu as hinata with better speed and the fact 4.5 in ninjutsu that he used against tsunade.
People like Lady[lol] Byakugan repeteadly tries act like cqc is only taijutsu which is never the case.Along with the fact they have zero comprehension of manga.i mean

:lol Imagine being this dumb.

that dude used the scan of hinata's getting babyshaked and shitted on by chunin exam neji the weakest version of him.these people are special kind of stupid

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And this point is irrelevant. Even if P1 Kabuto > P2 Hinata in taijutsu, the bottom line is that Kabuto with his normal strength parried Tsunade's CES, so CES can be parried by normal human taijutsu, let alone Gentle Fist.

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[TheEvilOne]

How can someone be stupid enough to argue kabuto vs tsunade when

1.it was rusty tsunade who hasn't fought for 20 years
2.kabuto took pills to keep up with her
3.kabuto never parried with her

Oh wait its the same moron who believes hiruzen is faster than hebi sasuke :lol

+ Kabuto was said to be as strong as Kakashi, who was an elite jounin. That's the closest thing you could find to a Kage's/Sannin's level at that time.

 

[Styles]

Dis is sum good reads.

 

[Hakke]

Not into the debate of who is the winner of this match but I just want to point some things out.

Sakura's CES advantage in Hand to Hand combat is that her strikes can not be tanked or blocked/parried since that would only result in her opponents death. And her strength also allow her to overwhelm her opponents in grappling since they would not be able to grab her limbs and lock her with H2H techniques but if she managed to grab one of her opponents limbs then it is GG.

However, The Gentle Fist can counter that. The moment that Sakura's fist make contact with the Twin Lion Chakra heads, some of the Chakra that are concentrated in her fist would be drained which could possibly destabilize her Chakra control and disrupt the effects of CES which require a very precise control. And if that didn't work, the moment that Hinata's palm make contact with Sakura's side arm, she would inject Chakra in her pathway and disrupt the effects of CES. But Of course Hinata needs to make contact with the parts that are not imbued/enhanced with Chakra which she should be capable of with the Byakugan's ability in seeing the Chakra built up.

Simply, blocking one Chakra point in the arm along with injecting Chakra in the Chakra pathways (the ones located in the arm) can disrupt the effects of the CES since the CES user would not be able to channel and concentrate since the Gentle Fist user own Chakra would be the one flowing in his/her pathways (the CES user's).

Ofcourse that would be temporarily since the CES user would still be able to channel Chakra in his/her fist again after the Gentle Fist user's Chkara and Jyuken effects disappear but the the point is that Hinata can parry Sakura's attacks.

The CES would completely be disabled only when five Chakra points are blocked in the arms[

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-Sure, Sakura is much faster than Hinata. But with the Byakugan, Hinata can anticipate her movements [

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[Megax Rocker7]

Not into the debate of who is the winner of this match but I just want to point some things out.

Sakura's CES advantage in Hand to Hand combat is that her strikes can not be tanked or blocked/parried since that would only result in her opponents death. And her strength also allow her to overwhelm her opponents in grappling since they would not be able to grab her limbs and lock her with H2H techniques but if she managed to grab one of her opponents limbs then it is GG.

However, The Gentle Fist can counter that. The moment that Sakura's fist make contact with the Twin Lion Chakra heads, some of the Chakra that are concentrated in her fist would be drained which could possibility destabilize her Chakra control and disrupt the effects of CES which require a very precise control. And if that didn't work, the moment that Hinata's palm make contact with Sakura's side arm, she would inject Chakra in her pathway and disrupt the effects of CES. But Of course Hinata needs to make contact with the parts that are not imbued/enhanced with Chakra which she should be capable of with the Byakugan's ability in seeing the Chakra built up.

Simply, blocking one Chakra point in the arm along with injecting Chakra in the Chakra pathways (the ones located in the arm) can disrupt the effects of the CES since the CES user would not be able to channel and concentrate since the Gentle Fist user Chakra would be the one flowing in his/her pathways (the CES user's).

Ofcourse that would be temporarily since the CES user would still be able to channel Chakra in his/her fist again after the Gentle Fist use Chkara and Jyuken effects disappear but the the point is that Hinata can parry Sakura's attacks.

The CES would completely disabled only when five Chakra points are blocked in the arms[

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-Sure, Sakura is much faster than Hinata. But with the Byakugan, Hinata can anticipate her movements [

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]. This should make up for her inferiority in speed imo since that would allow her to react faster to her opponents attacks (increase the reaction speed) And would allow her to know which Taijutsu techniques she should use against the opponent's predicted strikes (enhance her Taijutsu performance). That with the combination of superior Taijutsu and insane hand speed should make this a match(in CQC at least) imo.

The only problem is even if Hinata is able to inject chakra to Sakura's arm, this still won't stop Sakura's punch from reaching Hinata, as Sakura was still able to throw a punch when she was stabbed by a TSB rod which restricts moment far worse than getting chakra injected by GF, and has chakra disturbing properties, so there's no way Hinata is stopping Sakura's punch from hitting her.

 

[BLAZE]

just see the amount of feats of hinata he has posted :lol oh wait there are non

Just becoz someone is hyuga you can't go scotts free bullshitting around she can defeat person A or B who has much superior feats than her anyway.

Lemme guess what your arguments would be

1.She is Hyuga which doesn't grant her automatic win considering feat is piss poor for hyuga standards
2.She can use 64 palms which was anticipated by kidomaru who was in base was not good in cqc.Take in account kidomaru didn't knew about it while sakura does.And That is the move strongest in her arsenal if we go by what databook said
3.She can use Twin Lion fist and it drains chakra.The fact you cannot prove how much chakra can it absorb in one go moots the point meaning if they clash hinata will get pulverised

Byakugan would allow her to anticipate but lemme guess did you forget Antication and precog means shit when you are yourself too slow and guess what hinata's speed feat is

uhmm blitzing Lady Trolls brain cells :lol

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a TSB rod which restricts moment

no it does not

 

[Megax Rocker7]

no it does not

It did to BZ and Limbo clones, and the Viz scan shows Sakura struggling to move, as shown with her twitching and the SFX "strain" in this Viz scan:

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[Hakke]

The only problem is even if Hinata is able to inject chakra to Sakura's arm, this still won't stop Sakura's punch from reaching Hinata, as Sakura was still able to throw a punch when she was stabbed by a TSB rod which restricts moment far better than getting chakra injected by GF, and has chakra disturbing properties, so there's no way Hinata is stopping Sakura's punch from hitting her.

the Black Rods can only prevent molding Chakra when it is aimed at Chakra points IIRC, and nothing suggess that Madara aimed his Rod on her Chakra points. I am not sure about TSB rods Chakra disturbing properties. can you post a scan to prove your point?

Anyway, The Chakra injection way of disrupting is completely different. It is, just like I explained in my previous post, by flowing your own Chakra into your opponents pathway thus he would not be able to channel and concentrate his Chakra since your Chakra would be standing in the way.

The moment that Hinata's palm make contact with Sakura's arm, the CES would be disabled and her strike would be parry-able. This method however would not disrupt the CES completely since the Chakra and the Jyuken effects would probably disappear but as long as Hinata's palm in contact with Sakura arm, Sakura won't be able to concentrate Chakra thus no CES.

 

[BLAZE]

It did to BZ and Limbo clones, and the Viz scan shows Sakura struggling to move, as shown with her twitching and the SFX "strain" in this Viz scan:

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well seems you are right about sakura's and Black zetsu's case


dunno about limbo though [

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[Styles]

It did to BZ and Limbo clones, and the Viz scan shows Sakura struggling to move, as shown with her twitching and the SFX "strain" in this Viz scan:

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I think that's a chakra receiver. At that time Madara lost all of his TSB.

Edit guess he could make more since it did look like a TSB.

 

[BLAZE]

I think that's a chakra receiver. At that time Madara lost all of his TSB.

Edit guess he could make more since it did look like a TSB.

no he had one which is what he used [

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[FemmeFatale]

It did to BZ and Limbo clones, and the Viz scan shows Sakura struggling to move, as shown with her twitching and the SFX "strain" in this Viz scan:

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But directly after that she punched the limbo clone she was not at all paralyzed .
You can clearly see her impact mark, and she literally said there was a invisible wall, not that she couldn't move

 

[JStar King]

Rock Lee vs Neji discussion anyone?

 

[Styles]

no he had one which is what he used [

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Yea i had the edit then i re-read since it been a while and it turns out he had 1 left while fighting them.