Hinata's grim fate (alternate)

[whiteboy2345]

The manga made it clear what the cloud wanted...and that was the eyes [

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]. Hinata was just easy pickings as she was obviously going to be unable to fight back and that is why they demanded Hiashi's corpse when plan A failed..[

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] The only other possible scenario is her eyes are taken..and then she's discarded.

This alternate reality of yours sounds like a fanfic that reveals what your interests are (because i quite frankly have no idea how your mind can drift so far from what the manga explained.. i do hope i'm wrong though) and you shouldn't throw fits when what you are shy to say openly is said openly for you.

It's not a fanfic. You think they'd just take the eyes when they could just make more? Could you be more naive? Why would they just take one, let their life dissipate and then go back for another Hyuga. If we're being literal, this is something that can and would happen. They'd risk the Cloud's prosperity and peace by going for a Hyuga every 60 years.

 

[whiteboy2345]

In the normal reality which is where i believe you claim you are getting this alternate reality from.. Salamander uchiha..can you please help me understand how they were going to use Hiashi's corpse - you know..dead body- to create this military power you keep spewing?

And the genocide thing is The mist where Yagura and Mei are from not the Cloud :lol

They wanted Hiashi's corpse as a dead ninja for a dead ninja. Demanding a live Hyuga would be insulting the intelligence of the Hidden Leaf Village. If you can't get a Byakugan user alive for your own military power, simply get a dead body and research the secrets of the eye so you can counter it in battle. Get your head in the game dude, you're naive.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Keep your mind outta the gutter.

 

[Jinrou]

They wanted Hiashi's corpse as a dead ninja for a dead ninja. Demanding a live Hyuga would be insulting the intelligence of the Hidden Leaf Village. If you can't get a Byakugan user alive for your own military power, simply get a dead body and research the secrets of the eye so you can counter it in battle. Get your head in the game dude, you're naive.

So now the reason they wanted Byakugan was to counter the secrets and not expand their military power which you've been whining about since the beginning of this thread?

 

[whiteboy2345]

Keep your mind outta the gutter.

K, bringing up realistic scenario's means I want them to happen. I'm just thinking from the perspective of a military ruler in the Naruto Verse. KKG's aren't something to be wasted and villages aren't notorious for being nice.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Arguments are based on feats not fanfic....:lol

Only a retard would ask for a reason for Jiraiya's action lol.

Anyway his office is still not even 500 meters tall so fail again.
Now waiting for a scan were Kumo nins have erected a defensive barrier inside a building....:th:

Not really a person would ask for proof that's what Jiraiya intended. So you don't have proof of that claim.
I'll wait for the scan which shows these magical rivers or ponds Jiraiya would sneak through and then not get detected scaling to the highest building which is within the clouds and surrounded by them.
Yet by hour logic not even 500m.
As for effecting barrier in a building has a need arisen for them to effect it. With 0 rivers and ponds is sight I'll give in and for arguments sake accept that they can't effect barriers inside a building. Now I ask for the scan which shows these river or ponds around the raikages office. And the scan that shows Jiraiya saying i lwft the toad because i didnt think id get detected.
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[Made in Heaven]

Hinata would be perfect for a series like the Game of Thrones.

oh my god what the hell :|

 

[whiteboy2345]

So now the reason they wanted Byakugan was to counter the secrets and not expand their military power which you've been whining about since the beginning of this thread?

No, they wanted a Byakugan user alive to make Hyuga's in their own village. Once that failed and wouldn't work again, the next best move was to simply get a corpse and find a way to counter the Byakuagan since they couldn't get a neo-Hyuga clan of their own. You actually thought that they'd just give up and run out of options after failing to kidnap Hinata? If you can't get your enemies technology just find a way to counter it.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Not really a person would ask for proof that's what Jiraiya intended. So you don't have proof of that claim.
I'll wait for the scan which shows these magical rivers or ponds Jiraiya would sneak through and then not get detected scaling to the highest building which is within the clouds and surrounded by them.
Yet by hour logic not even 500m.
As for effecting barrier in a building has a need arisen for them to effect it. With 0 rivers and ponds is sight I'll give in and for arguments sake accept that they can't effect barriers inside a building. Now I ask for the scan which shows these river or ponds around the raikages office. And the scan that shows Jiraiya saying i lwft the toad because i didnt think id get detected.
:tea:

Asking proof for the obvious, denying that kumo has rivers and lake...:lol
I see someone desperately trying to save face but the damage has already been done bro.

As far as barriers and technique go, if I were to argue using fanfics then I can say Jiraiya could go invisible and conceal his chakra for anyone to detect or sense and he can bypass any barrier. Would you believe that? You're doing just that with your barrier ninjutus fanfic with nothing to show as proof.

 

[salamander uchiha]

In the normal reality which is where i believe you claim you are getting this alternate reality from.. Salamander uchiha..can you please help me understand how they were going to use Hiashi's corpse - you know..dead body- to create this military power you keep spewing?

And the genocide thing is The mist where Yagura and Mei are from not the Cloud :lol

It's the path of the ninja world killing murder, genocide, kidnappings and what nots. Somehow you make the cloud some noble village not obsessed with trying to achieve power by all means to increase their power. Somehow the cloud is more noble than this
Number 1 is there initial mission was the capture of Hinata for breeding purposes so they could build military power. That failed because of Hiashi.
Number 2. Why Hiahsi and how? They could still use his blood and Byakugan even for 1 person they werent going to say by the way that girl we tried to kidnap and you killed our ninja could we have her please?
Do you think they're stupid people the example of a person give person crop he'll eat for a day give a person a field he'll eat for as long as the field grows crop. Do you think because he doesn't have field he'd refuse to eat even for a day he'd take the lesser option and one day he may get a field.

And do you think they demanded Hiahsi's body because he killed the ninja? Do you think konoha would disclose such information? They demanded Hiash's head because he was the head of the clan? Under the natural Law the strongest becomes the leader of the clan and naturally he'd have the strongest bloodline coursing through his veins. Also the child is likely to inherit the reason they targeted Hinata.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Asking proof for the obvious, denying that kumo has rivers and lake...:lol
I see someone desperately trying to save face but the damage has already been done bro.

As far as barriers and technique go, if I were to argue using fanfics then I can say Jiraiya could go invisible and conceal his chakra for anyone to detect or sense and he can bypass any barrier. Would you believe that? You're doing just that with your barrier ninjutus fanfic with nothing to show as proof.

Asking for mangafacts since you asked for them. Rivers and ponds running through kumogakure(the village up in the clouds) I look forward to seeing it. I'm sure there are rivers in the lower areas where the mountains aren't in the clouds like foothills and all over the land of lightning. I have no doubt of that however I'd like to see a scan for Ay's office area showcasing these rivers. If its so blatantly obvious then I'm sure you can furnish manga proof.

Jiraiya going invisible e would be a superior skill indeed he'd rather use that then some C rank infiltration technique if he had it. That's why we know he doesn't either that or he's just stupid I mean towards the former. Barriers on the other hand don't conform to such rules since they're situation dependant.

I see somebody resorting to personal attacks to distract from mangafacts but the damages already been done bro just admit Jiraiya would get slaughtered when he tried and it's all good. By the way i like jiraiya i rank him up there with kakashi as 1 of my favourites but I'm not going to make up a fanfic for him.

 

[Jinrou]

Well i'll be damned... @bold(s) We've gone from its an alternate reality to "the cloud actually kidnapped Hinata for breeding purposes in universe". Zack...for real are these you? :lol

But since it has now become painfully obvious i'm attacking your fetishes, i'm only going to humor you both one last time as quite frankly, it isn't worth it at this point.

No, they wanted a Byakugan user alive to make Hyuga's in their own village. Once that failed and wouldn't work again, the next best move was to simply get a corpse and find a way to counter the Byakuagan since they couldn't get a neo-Hyuga clan of their own. You actually thought that they'd just give up and run out of options after failing to kidnap Hinata? If you can't get your enemies technology just find a way to counter it.

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The Hyuga elder's statement makes it perfectly clear what their true intention was with requesting for Hiashi's corpse.. This fanfic countering the Byakugan you've brought up makes no sense especially when they were both looking to maintain peace :lol

In universe narration from Neji, Hiashi and the Elder makes it clear they were after the secrets of the Byakugan and you can clearly see by requesting for Hiashi's corpse (so he obviously won't fight back) they would have still gotten it. There were never 2 intentions and if you have a manga scan (since you are trying to push it to an in universe scenario) that shows 2 differing intentions, i'll gladly drop this.

It's the path of the ninja world killing murder, genocide, kidnappings and what nots. Somehow you make the cloud some noble village not obsessed with trying to achieve power by all means to increase their power. Somehow the cloud is more noble than this
Number 1 is there initial mission was the capture of Hinata for breeding purposes so they could build military power. That failed because of Hiashi.
Number 2. Why Hiahsi and how? They could still use his blood and Byakugan even for 1 person they werent going to say by the way that girl we tried to kidnap and you killed our ninja could we have her please?
Do you think they're stupid people the example of a person give person crop he'll eat for a day give a person a field he'll eat for as long as the field grows crop. Do you think because he doesn't have field he'd refuse to eat even for a day he'd take the lesser option and one day he may get a field.

- Scans for the bold?

- Number 2 makes absolutely no sense :lol

 

[Made in Heaven]

I want to know what the secrets of the Byakugan even are. Why was that never addressed? wtf

 

[salamander uchiha]

Well i'll be damned... @bold(s) We've gone from its an alternate reality to "the cloud actually kidnapped Hinata for breeding purposes in universe". Zack...for real are these you? :lol

But since it has now become painfully obvious i'm attacking your fetishes, i'm only going to humor you both one last time as quite frankly, it isn't worth it at this point.

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The Hyuga elder's statement makes it perfectly clear what their true intention was with requesting for Hiashi's corpse.. This fanfic countering the Byakugan you've brought up makes no sense especially when they were both looking to maintain peace :lol

In universe narration from Neji, Hiashi and the Elder makes it clear they were after the secrets of the Byakugan and you can clearly see by requesting for Hiashi's corpse (so he obviously won't fight back) they would have still gotten it. There were never 2 intentions and if you have a manga scan (since you are trying to push it to an in universe scenario) that shows 2 differing intentions, i'll gladly drop this.



- Scans for the bold?

- Number 2 makes absolutely no sense :lol

Actually it makes perfect sense its a real world scenario and it's rational. Ninja are meant to be highly intelligent not stupid fodder there goals are to secure power and prosperity to gain an edge over other villages.
Which part didn't make sense the part of them taking a child grooming her since its easier to manipulate children, then using her(when appripriate) to produce children. Those children possessing a kekkei genkai superior bloodline which would give uou an army of byakugan users increasing your military power. Or just taking her eyes and killing her because you have 1 pair of eyes. 1 pair or 100 potential pairs if you can't comprehend that from a power hungry village then that's on you.
Number 2. Was better to have 1 pair of eyes then 0 since they weren't getting 100.

You view them as noble yet the ninja use child soldiers, commit genocide, assassinate people women and children included bit they're above kidnapping to produce a generation of ninja with kekkei genkai

 

[salamander uchiha]

I want to know what the secrets of the Byakugan even are. Why was that never addressed? wtf

The secrets are how it works what gives it the ability for near 360 degree bison with penetration etc. I don't understand why they needed blood unless they were going to look for the answer in it.

 

[whiteboy2345]

I want to know what the secrets of the Byakugan even are. Why was that never addressed? wtf

The Cloud probably got their asses kicked by the Hyuga's in the three Great wars and wanted their weakness.

 

[whiteboy2345]

Jinrou, you cannot possibly believe that in a realistic scenario, Hinata would just be allowed to just die without making more Hyuuga's for the Cloud. Ninja villages are military organizations bent on getting the edge on other villages. If you think for one second that the Cloud was that inept and un-opportunistic then whatever.

 

[salamander uchiha]

The Cloud probably got their asses kicked by the Hyuga's in the three Great wars and wanted their weakness.

Nah the Hyuga would give them an edge and add to their military power. Whatever the case there's no way they were beating kumogakure, all because Sarutobi and Danzo sidelined the Uchiha clan want manga proof.

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Hiashi was willing to give his life to save the village these are manga facts. Read what Hiashi says to the 3rd Hokage.

 

[Exaar]

Jinrou, you cannot possibly believe that in a realistic scenario, Hinata would just be allowed to just die without making more Hyuuga's for the Cloud. Ninja villages are military organizations bent on getting the edge on other villages. If you think for one second that the Cloud was that inept and un-opportunistic then whatever.

Her offspring would have no guarantee of having the byakugan, Not to mention the large amount of time needed for this to show any effect on their military strength what so ever.

If the cloud wanted to breed their own hyuga then they should've targeted a young male along with hinata, Their plan is purely based on luck and require an inefficient amount of time, Plus it nerfs any hyuga born in their territory since no one is there to teach them hyuga techniques or how to control their byakugan or their ability to release chakra from any parts of their body.

time wise they would be much better of just removing her eyes, researching them and researching her body, So if/when they have to fight hyuga again they will be better prepared and can take more byakugans if the opportunity arises or just use the fact they had hinata as a bargaining chip to hang over the head of Konoha or the hyuga clan.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Asking for mangafacts since you asked for them. Rivers and ponds running through kumogakure(the village up in the clouds) I look forward to seeing it. I'm sure there are rivers in the lower areas where the mountains aren't in the clouds like foothills and all over the land of lightning. I have no doubt of that however I'd like to see a scan for Ay's office area showcasing these rivers. If its so blatantly obvious then I'm sure you can furnish manga proof.

Jiraiya going invisible e would be a superior skill indeed he'd rather use that then some C rank infiltration technique if he had it. That's why we know he doesn't either that or he's just stupid I mean towards the former. Barriers on the other hand don't conform to such rules since they're situation dependant.

I see somebody resorting to personal attacks to distract from mangafacts but the damages already been done bro just admit Jiraiya would get slaughtered when he tried and it's all good. By the way i like jiraiya i rank him up there with kakashi as 1 of my favourites but I'm not going to make up a fanfic for him.

Yeah the village's founders were dumb to not create a village near a source of water especially when that village happens to be above normal ground. Yup would make perfect sense only to retards.

Anyway, as you yourself have been claiming please correct me if I am wrong, that they'd only erect a barrier around Hinata and not around the whole village, then its pointless to argue about Jiraiya needing any river or lake to infiltrate the village as his technique already could penetrate a detection type barrier.

As for Jiraiya going invisible and the barrier fanfic, Jiraiya does posses an invisibility jutsu but I am not sure whether it conceals his chakra as well or not so I didn't bring that up. Now for the defensive barriers, how many defensive barriers have you seen in the manga that would fit inside a building? And how many from Kumo nin?

As for Jiraiya getting caught then you've simply failed to provide a satisfactory explanation about how he gets caught. So I am not resorting to personal attacks but simply stating my observation based on this long and fruitful conversation we had....:lol