US not allowing trans people...

[Mari Makinami]

What makes it a disorder in your opinion?

The symptoms that come along. According to the statistic data on the matter I have studied, transgender people in most cases tend to be affected by significant stress factors normal people are not affected by, such as gender dysphoria, various complexes caused by their own inner struggle and by discrimination from their surroundings (which is naturally especially strong in a highly traditional and masculine society like army), not to mention all the problems the hormonal therapy causes to their psychic in case if they've gone for it. I'm fairly sure you can search some information on the matter if you're really interested in a professional approach.

Anyhow, with all mentioned combined, I don't believe it is wise to let transgenders into army. The risks of some trouble occurring because of this are too high and downright unnecessary.

 

[Multiply]

The symptoms that come along. According to the statistic data on the matter I have studied, transgender people in most cases tend to be affected by significant stress factors normal people are not affected by, such as gender dysphoria, various complexes caused by their own inner struggle and by discrimination from their surroundings (which is naturally especially strong in a highly traditional and masculine society like army), not to mention all the problems the hormonal therapy causes to their psychic in case if they've gone for it. I'm fairly sure you can search some information on the matter if you're really interested in a professional approach.

Anyhow, with all mentioned combined, I don't believe it is wise to let transgenders into army. The risks of some trouble occurring because of this are too high and downright unnecessary.

Well as I understand it a lot of the stress factors you mentioned above are due to being rejected by society in the first place. Just like, for example, black people in the Us. We have extra stress on us in situations with police because we seemingly have been targeted by police. Does that mean all black people have a mental disorder?

Not it to mention if you feel you are being rejected by society and more often than not by your own parents, I can understand why many trans people commit suicide, try to, or think about it.

Mill let toy have your opinion though because you have the degree and I don't.

 

[Mari Makinami]

Well as I understand it a lot of the stress factors you mentioned above are due to being rejected by society in the first place. Just like, for example, black people in the Us. We have extra stress on us in situations with police because we seemingly have been targeted by police. Does that mean all black people have a mental disorder?

Not it to mention if you feel you are being rejected by society and more often than not by your own parents, I can understand why many trans people commit suicide, try to, or think about it.

Mill let toy have your opinion though because you have the degree and I don't.

Yes, of course, there is a reason that triggers every disorder or unhealthy symptom, and it is something to think about without a doubt.

 

[Dgrayman]

it's just life, it will never change so why complain .?

 

[Sauce]

Depends on whether or not you view it as a disorder. I don't.

Oh stop making things up. Do you even know how hard it is to get the military to pay for anything? You can't even 'feign an illness and get out of your contract' that's not a thing. Not to mention you don't realize how hard it is for the military to actually even pay for the gender change anyway.

Hence why they are not paying for it anymore.

>making things up
Nice fanfic

 

[Lightbringer]

The symptoms that come along. According to the statistic data on the matter I have studied, transgender people in most cases tend to be affected by significant stress factors normal people are not affected by, such as gender dysphoria, various complexes caused by their own inner struggle and by discrimination from their surroundings (which is naturally especially strong in a highly traditional and masculine society like army), not to mention all the problems the hormonal therapy causes to their psychic in case if they've gone for it. I'm fairly sure you can search some information on the matter if you're really interested in a professional approach.

Anyhow, with all mentioned combined, I don't believe it is wise to let transgenders into army. The risks of some trouble occurring because of this are too high and downright unnecessary.

The APA stated that it's not a mental disorder. I'll take their word over yours.

And them being affected by stress or depression stems from the fact that they are the subject of harsh discrimination by the rest of society.

 

[Fountain]

What i don't understand is why anyone would wanna join the military. To serve the country? that's understandable but i don't think they realize that they're actually serving the governmet rather than the country. Or i guess you could say for money or w/e but still. Idk, some people just have nothing better to do.

 

[Mari Makinami]

The ACA stated that it's not a mental disorder. I'll take their word over yours.

And them being affected by stress or depression stems from the fact that they are the subject of harsh discrimination by the rest of society.

Eh, you can take whatever you want. I merely stated my point of view, and I'm not really interested in yours.

 

[Lightbringer]

Eh, you can take whatever you want. I merely stated my point of view, and I'm not really interested in yours.

But that's not my point of view, that's the APA research.

Your point of view isn't scientific nor is it factual.

 

[Mari Makinami]

But that's not my point of view, that's the ACA research.

Your point of view isn't scientific nor is it factual.

Well, that's your opinion. You can believe in whatever you want, really. Like I said, I'm not interested in your point of view on the matter, nor in finding out what it is based on as you are an unqualified person in my eyes, so it is irrelevant from my point of view. No offense, let us not waste our time.

 

[Lightbringer]

Well, that's your opinion. You can believe in whatever you want, really. Like I said, I'm not interested in your point of view on the matter, nor in finding out what it is based on as you are an unqualified person in my eyes, so it is irrelevant from my point of view. No offense, let us not waste our time.

No, it's not my opinion. How are you unable to comprehend this?

Again, let me make this clear to you. I'm not giving you my point of view; I am referencing the research of the APA.

The APA is the largest organization of psychologists in the U.S. They are the ones who diagnose and label disorders.

YOU ARE WRONG!

 

[Mari Makinami]

No, it's not my opinion. How are you unable to comprehend this?

This is your opinion:

Your point of view isn't scientific nor is it factual.

Again, let me make this clear to you, I'm not giving you my point of view. I'm am referencing the research of the APA.

The APA is the largest organization of Psychologists in the U.S. They are the ones who diagnose and label disorders.

Apparently, you don't understand. I don't really care about APA or about whatever any other organization of the U.S. produces on the matter as (again, from my point of view) it is clearly based on the current PC agenda and hence not objective.

YOU ARE WRONG!

From your point of view, apparently I am. A point of view/an opinion is always subjective, my friend; it cannot be right or wrong objectively, for there are always those who agree and who disagree. That's the basic of dialectics. However, you seem to fail to comprehend this simple idea: I don't care about your point of view on this matter as well as on my own point of view, nor about whatever your point of view is based on. Kindly stop quoting me, the notifications are annoying.

 

[Lightbringer]

This is your opinion:





Apparently, you don't understand. I don't really care about APA or about whatever any other organization of the U.S. produces on the matter as (again, from my point of view) it is clearly based on the current PC agenda and hence not objective.



From your point of view, apparently I am. A point of view/an opinion is always subjective, my friend; it cannot be right or wrong objectively, for there are always those who agree and who disagree. That's the basic of dialectics. However, you seem to fail to comprehend this simple idea: I don't care about your point of view on this matter as well as on my own point of view, nor about whatever your point of view is based on. Kindly stop quoting me, the notifications are annoying.

How is it my opinion if I'm telling you what the actual research on the matter is?

Definition of Opinion:

"a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge."


PC agenda? Well that's convenient. Do you have any empirical evidence of this which clearly outs the APA as a PC driven organization?

And what is your point of view even based on if not the actual research? Feelings? Every major psychological organization says you're wrong.

If you don't want me to quote you, then why bother posting in a thread about a controversial subject at all?

 

[-Punk-]

I thought they were allowed , wtf..... so what are all these briefings we got before going to Korea , smh

 

[Multiply]

Hence why they are not paying for it anymore.

>making things up
Nice fanfic

You are making things up. You need evidence to back up your claims. Do you currently or have you served? What are you basing your claim off of?

Well, considering there was no policy change that I'm aware of, they still are paying for the operations and Trans members are still able to join and serve. The President can't just say something and make it so.

 

[Mari Makinami]

How is it my opinion if I'm telling you what the actual research on the matter is?

Because you've agreed with it in your post where you quoted me for the first time? :| Don't you know what an opinion is? Apparently, it's the case.

PC agenda? Well that's convenient. Do you have any empirical evidence of this which clearly outs the APA as a PC driven organization?

Of course I do. This very subject is a perfect example as it contradicts the research made by plenty of other scientists including those from my country who are a higher authority to me. :th:

And what is your point of view even based on if not the actual research? Feelings?

First of all, I've already explained in this thread what it's based on. If you are unable to comprehend that -- well, I'm sorry, but sadly I'm not getting payed for teaching unqualified people online. Secondly, I fail to understand why are you so obsessed with my point of view. Let it go, buddy. :lol

If you don't want me to quote you, then why bother posting in this thread about a controversial subject at all?

Because the OP asked everyone about their opinions on what he posted. I don't recall beginning a conversation with you, however; in fact, I really don't understand why are you keeping bothering me when I've already said it a few times that I'm uninterested in whatever you have to say on this subject.

 

[Lightbringer]

Because you've agreed with it in your post where you quoted me for the first time? :| Don't you know what an opinion is? Apparently, it's the case.

That's not an opinion....

I literally gave you the definition of what an opinion is. Did you not read it?

Of course I do. This very subject is a perfect example as it contradicts the research made by plenty of other scientists including those from my country who are a higher authority to me. :th:

Oh? And which country is that and what credible organization says this?

The majority of European psychological organizations agree that you're wrong. The only major European country that I'm aware of, that would still classify being transgender as a mental disorder is Russia.

First of all, I've already explained in this thread what it's based on. If you are unable to comprehend that -- well, I'm sorry, but sadly I'm not getting payed for teaching unqualified people online. Secondly, I fail to understand why are you so obsessed with my point of view. Let it go, buddy. :lol

Because you were saying something stupid as if it were factual and now you're being stubborn and denying scientific research. You don't even know what an opinion is.

Because the OP asked everyone about their opinions on what he posted. I don't recall beginning a conversation with you, however; in fact, I really don't understand why are you keeping bothering me when I've already said it a few times that I'm uninterested in whatever you have to say on this subject.

You were arguing how your point of view is right with a bullshit credential as way to make yourself more credible.

As someone having master's degree in psychology, I view it as a disorder, yes.

It just seems that you can't accept that you might be wrong and would rather live in blind ignorance. You said it yourself, your point of view matters more than what the research says.

 

[Mari Makinami]

That's not an opinion.... I literally gave you the definition of what an opinion is. Did you not read it?

You've edited it after I had replied, but no matter. I don't see a contradiction there; apparently, you fail to understand this very simple definition you posted yourself. :lol

Oh? And which country is that and what credible organization says this?

The majority of European psychological organizations agree that you're wrong. The only major European country that I'm aware of, that would still classify being transgender as a mental disorder is Russia.

I am from Russia, yes.

Because you were saying something stupid as if it were factual and now you're being stubborn and denying scientific research. You don't even know what an opinion is.

Now that made me smile, especially coming from the person who has just proven to actually not understand such a simple concept as opinion. :lol Thank you, at least now I can say that I didn't completely waste my time here with you.

You were arguing how your point of view is right with a bullshit credential as way to make yourself more credible.

I'll repeat it since you, apparently, cannot comprehend my posts: A point of view/an opinion is always subjective, my friend; it cannot be right or wrong objectively. Reread this a few times and take your time to think about it before you bother me again, please (or better, just stop quoting me, really; reading your posts here is making me feel vicarious shame.)

It just seems that you can't accept that you might be wrong and would rather live in blind ignorance.

That is the presumption you had since the beginning due to either your lack of education, or your inability to understand the concepts of dialectics, philosophy and paradigm. Albeit it's probably both these factors. Given what I said in my comment just above, I could very well be wrong; I just don't agree with the argumentation you presented, that's all. I don't blame you, though; that's typical for your kind.

 

[Lightbringer]

You've edited it after I had replied, but no matter. I don't see a contradiction there; apparently, you fail to understand this very simple definition you posted yourself. :lol



I am from Russia, yes.



Now that made me smile, especially coming from the person who has just proven to actually not understand such a simple concept as opinion. :lol Thank you, at least now I can say that I didn't completely waste my time here with you.



I'll repeat it since you, apparently, cannot comprehend my posts: A point of view/an opinion is always subjective, my friend; it cannot be right or wrong objectively.



That is the presumption you had since the beginning due to either your lack of education, or your inability to understand the concepts of dialectics, philosophy and paradigm. Albeit it's probably both these factors. Given what I said in my comment just above, I could very well be wrong; I just don't agree with the argumentation you presented, that's all. I don't blame you, though; that's typical for your kind.

@Bold: LMAO. Called it. Case closed.

It's funny how much you boasted at being such an expert with a master's degree in psychology, yet this entire debate was just you telling me that your opinion is the only opinion that matters, regardless what the facts and research says.

 

[-Punk-]

What i don't understand is why anyone would wanna join the military. To serve the country? that's understandable but i don't think they realize that they're actually serving the governmet rather than the country. Or i guess you could say for money or w/e but still. Idk, some people just have nothing better to do.

It's not rocket science, free school, benefits and Medicare. To me is as simple as that.