Senju were all hype.

[whiteboy2345]

Let's honestly look at this objectively. The Senju had little going for them in all honesty. The mastering of different jutsu's was pointless in the face of the Uchiha's more abundant and potent chakra and the fact that they could copy the techniques of the Senju so that shit is out of the window.

Feat-wise, the Senju are insanely lacking and Hashirama basically carried his clan to supremacy, meaning he was probably at every important battle and could not let his fellow clan members handle it on their own. Tobirama was pathetic when it came to his fighting ability, only able to best Madara's brother through FTG. His water-style wasn't that great, he was just able to pull it out of the air and that's it.

When we look at the manga as a whole, it's quite clear that the Senju were a throw in to maximize the hype of Tobirama and Hashirama but when you look at what made the Senju strong, it wasn't anything another clan could not do which makes their supremacy pointless and without standing unless you include Hashirama. The Uchiha would have been able to manage against the Senju without Madara and Hashirama being around, but when you look at WHY the Senju were at the top it was the dumbest thing ever. Mastery of the ninja arts? Who the hell wasn't mastering the ninja arts!?

 

[SenseiSama]

Based on the Senju characters we know I would say Senju were natural prodigies with elements and had the jutsu to counter every Uchiha feat. Kishi shat on them like the Uzumaki which is why they seem so basic.

And Tobirama's water is OP, it was able to cut through Shinju roots with ease, at the very least it's as strong as adamantine staff and v2 Susanoo blade

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

The uchihas were at their mercy for generations. That's feat enough for me.

 

[whiteboy2345]

The uchihas were at their mercy for generations. That's feat enough for me.

No, the Uchiha were at their "mercy" for one generation. Hashirama almost died fighting Madara, he can't handle the entire ****ing Uchiha Clan. The Uchiha's were considered an army for hire and could have been in the 600-900's. He and his brother would be corpses at the end of the fight and the Uchiha would continue their war with the Senju.

The fact that you think Hashirama could handle that many Uchiha's makes me wonder about how hungry you are to defame and slander Indra's line.

 

[salamander uchiha]

The Senju were stronger than others owing to what I can't really see it. They were equal to uchiha without sharingan that's about it once an uchiha awakens sharingan. He pretty much jumps several tiers and has access to a vast amount of jutsu. Among the Senju you have rare exceptions like Tobirama (s/t jutsu) and Hashirama who had mokuton. Other than that the Senju have been pretty much fodder let's face it Ashura was always about co-operation and asking others for help why would his descendants be any different.

 

[salamander uchiha]

The uchihas were at their mercy for generations. That's feat enough for me.

damn the fanfiction is strong.

 

[Mori Jin]

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[whiteboy2345]

The Senju were stronger than others owing to what I can't really see it. They were equal to uchiha without sharingan that's about it once an uchiha awakens sharingan. He pretty much jumps several tiers and has access to a vast amount of jutsu. Among the Senju you have rare exceptions like Tobirama (s/t jutsu) and Hashirama who had mokuton. Other than that the Senju have been pretty much fodder let's face it Ashura was always about co-operation and asking others for help why would his descendants be any different.

Exactly, the Senju brothers were clear exceptions that were carrying their entire clan. Based on feats and manga-facts, a Sharingan puts a normal Uchiha on a new level in comparison to his peers which would explain why Danzo saw fit to destroy all of the Uchiha's.

 

[whiteboy2345]

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And who was at the crux of that? Hashirama? Right.

Before his birth, his father and Madara's father were equals, putting the clans at equal strength. So the entire time the Uchiha and Senju were equals until Hashirama's birth.

 

[SenseiSama]

The Senju were stronger than others owing to what I can't really see it. They were equal to uchiha without sharingan that's about it once an uchiha awakens sharingan. He pretty much jumps several tiers and has access to a vast amount of jutsu. Among the Senju you have rare exceptions like Tobirama (s/t jutsu) and Hashirama who had mokuton. Other than that the Senju have been pretty much fodder let's face it Ashura was always about co-operation and asking others for help why would his descendants be any different.

Every Senju we've seen has had +4 chakra natures and been talented at using them. Tsunade used her Yin and Yang to produce a seal with Hashi's healing feats, Tobirama's water is basically one of the most OP offence after transmigrants and Hashi speaks for himself.


Uchiha were naturally talented with genjutsu, Uzumaki with sealing jutsu, Hyuga with taijutsu, that leaves element jutsu for Senju, they were descendants of a nature god after all.

And you underestimate how much of an advantage it is to have large chakra reserves which every Senju possessed. And it's not a stretch to assume some of them may have had the ability to use Sage Mode

 

[Mori Jin]

And who was at the crux of that? Hashirama? Right.

Before his birth, his father and Madara's father were equals, putting the clans at equal strength. So the entire time the Uchiha and Senju were equals until Hashirama's birth.

Senju > Uchiha read the Manga.

Senju brothers > Uchiha brothers.

 

[whiteboy2345]

Every Senju we've seen has had +4 chakra natures and been talented at using them. Tsunade used her Yin and Yang to produce a seal with Hashi's healing feats, Tobirama's water is basically one of the most OP offence after transmigrants and Hashi speaks for himself.


Uchiha were naturally talented with genjutsu, Uzumaki with sealing jutsu, Hyuga with taijutsu, that leaves element jutsu for Senju, they were descendants of a nature god after all. And you underestimate how much of an advantage it is to have large chakra reserves which every Senju possessed.

The Uchiha were not just talented at genjutsu, Obito said that they were exceptional in all martial pursuits of the shinobi arts and came to be considered an army. They were talented in everything they did and the Sharingan only made it better, allowing them to copy techniques and add more abilities to their arsenal.

With their Sharingan, the Uchiha were already superior in taijutsu, ninjutsu, and genjutsu. The only thing that could really get the drop on them was FTG and Wood Style.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

No, the Uchiha were at their "mercy" for one generation. Hashirama almost died fighting Madara, he can't handle the entire ****ing Uchiha Clan. The Uchiha's were considered an army for hire and could have been in the 600-900's. He and his brother would be corpses at the end of the fight and the Uchiha would continue their war with the Senju.

The fact that you think Hashirama could handle that many Uchiha's makes me wonder about how hungry you are to defame and slander

It started from Hashirama's era till the time they were wiped out by Itachi. So many generations.

damn the fanfiction is strong.

You don't know the difference between canon and fanfic.

 

[whiteboy2345]

Senju > Uchiha read the Manga.

Senju brothers > Uchiha brothers.

If you read the manga, Hashirama and Madara's fathers were equal, putting the clans on equal standing.

Once the Senju brothers were born, the tide shifted.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Every Senju we've seen has had +4 chakra natures and been talented at using them. Tsunade used her Yin and Yang to produce a seal with Hashi's healing feats, Tobirama's water is basically one of the most OP offence after transmigrants and Hashi speaks for himself.


Uchiha were naturally talented with genjutsu, Uzumaki with sealing jutsu, Hyuga with taijutsu, that leaves element jutsu for Senju, they were descendants of a nature god after all.

And you underestimate how much of an advantage it is to have large chakra reserves which every Senju possessed. And it's not a stretch to assume some of them may have had the ability to use Sage Mode

The uchiha excel at ninjutsu Orochimaru was interest in Sasuke for ninjutsu. The uchiha inherited Hogaromo's chakra so they inherited his elemtal capacity. In addition to that they had excellence in Genjutsu.
The Senju excelling the uchiha would be in something like sagemode as you put it to match the uchiha with sharingan. However this only means the uchiha didn't learn it not that they couldn't neiyher does this speak for their chakra reserves. Even non Senju have shown 4+elements so that a mute point.
As for Tsuande her jutsu is yin release it's even a yin seal that's not becoming yang anytime soon.
There's also no proof that the Senju had large chakra reserves.
I do believe the sage giving Ashura 6psm may have side his chakra reserves somehow and his descendants being able to learn multiple elements because of it. Who knows.

 

[whiteboy2345]

It started from Hashirama's era till the time they were wiped out by Itachi. So many generations.



You don't know the difference between canon and fanfic.

After the death of Hashirama, the village was at the mercy of the Uchiha. They could have literally ripped the nine-tails out of Kushina or sought him out and controlled him, for their own uses. The village used genocide as means to handle the Uchiha because they were too much of a threat, they felt like the Uchiha were too dangerous and even more dangerous when angry so they were killed.

The Hidden Leaf couldn't even handle it themselves, only two Uchiha's could have handled the massacre.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

After the death of Hashirama, the village was at the mercy of the Uchiha. They could have literally ripped the nine-tails out of Kushina or sought him out and controlled him, for their own uses. The village used genocide as means to handle the Uchiha because they were too much of a threat, they felt like the Uchiha were too dangerous and even more dangerous when angry so they were killed.

The Hidden Leaf couldn't even handle it themselves, only two Uchiha's could have handled the massacre.

Yeah nice fanfic. They were treated like trash by the higher ups. If they were as powerful as you claim and village elites wouldn't have dared to sideline them.

 

[Last Airbender]

Hashirama almost died fighting Madara, he can't handle the entire ****ing Uchiha Clan. The Uchiha's were considered an army for hire and could have been in the 600-900's.

Hashirama will literally turn the entire clan to paste. All 600-900 of them, one hand for each of them.

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Uchiha are lucky he was a peace loving guy in the end.

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

Strongest senju > the strongest uchiha

Second strongest senju>second strongest Uchiha

In the end Senju won over Uchiha.

Trash thread

 

[salamander uchiha]

It started from Hashirama's era till the time they were wiped out by Itachi. So many generations.



You don't know the difference between canon and fanfic.

The Senju disappeared long before the uchiha and I the end the uchiha dominated the shinobi world.
Are you projecting again. The :salt: is stronf with you.