Ashura or Minato?

[Rikudou Tobi]

According to Hogaromo Indra inherited the genes therefore the body. No mention of Ashura inheriting stamina by Hogaromo who do we trust Tobi or Hogaromo? As for Naruto he didn't his power stems from him being kyubi host it grants him chakra reserves, stamina, healing factor, faster recovery. Chakra is a by product of spiritual energy and stamina so your point is mute. If the seal gives him chakra being yang hand it would be physical energy and stamina.

How about you stop selective reading and say the whole thing. He said Indra inherited his strong chakra not stamina like his brother Ashura.
Also I trust kishi's word, which is both Tobi and Hagoromoo which neither of their words contradicted each other. Hagoromoo said the very same thing.

As for chakra it is the mixing of both spiritual energy and physical energy together making your speculation invalid. Chakra is not stamina.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

I'd say both.

 

[salamander uchiha]

How about you stop selective reading and say the whole thing. He said Indra inherited his strong chakra not stamina like his brother Ashura.
Also I trust kishi's word, which is both Tobi and Hagoromoo which neither of their words contradicted each other. Hagoromoo said the very same thing.

As for chakra it is the mixing of both spiritual energy and physical energy together making your speculation invalid. Chakra is not stamina.

Show the scan where Hogaromo said as such. Anyway Narutos powers are from Kurama his own power is iruka level.

 

[Styles]

Why did you follow me all the way out here?

Okay, kyubi did provide some stamina but Ashura is the main reason here.

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Don't tell me that Sasuke and Naruto were not transmigrants at VoTe in part 1 because this kid here just denied Zetsu.

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Ashura wasn't really the main reason to his stamina tho. It was all Kurama since he was born. Naruto and Sasuke was reincarnations but i don't think they awakened their power yet until they reached MS and sage mode level. Just like BZ (iirc) said they had to reach a certain level to be able to see Hagoromo.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Ashura wasn't really the main reason to his stamina tho. It was all Kurama since he was born. Naruto and Sasuke was reincarnations but i don't think they awakened their power yet until they reached MS and sage mode level. Just like BZ (iirc) said they had to reach a certain level to be able to see Hagoromo.

I don't remember Zetsu saying that. Naruto reach that level at kcm btw, he was just able to sense it when he entered Sm.

Show the scan where Hogaromo said as such. Anyway Narutos powers are from Kurama his own power is iruka level.

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[salamander uchiha]

Nice fanfic selectime quoting of Hogaromo he's clearly referring to indra possessing his genes and powerful chakra.

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In the while scan he dismisses Ashura and praises Indra. I know you couldnt show the whole scan as it wouldve been the death nail to u our fanfic.

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This page pretty much decimates your fanfic about inheriting potential from parents let alone an ancestor for whom your a transmigrant.

Like I said naruto was helped by Minato without whom he'd be iruka level?

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Nice fanfic selectime quoting of Hogaromo he's cleay referring to indra possessing his genes.

wtf he literally said genes containing his powerful chakra, are you retarded? Nothing is selective here and you just called viz manga fanfic.
I see now. You're a troll. gtfo don't bother me troll, I already dealt with so many in the pass few days I don't feel like doing it again.

 

[salamander uchiha]

I don't remember Zetsu saying that. Naruto reach that level at kcm btw, he was just able to sense it when he entered Sm.

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Nice fanfic selectime quoting of Hogaromo he's clearly referring to indra possessing his genes and powerful chakra.

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In the while scan he dismisses Ashura and praises Indra. I know you couldnt show the whole scan as it wouldve been the death nail to u our fanfic.

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This page pretty much decimates your fanfic about inheriting potential from parents let alone an ancestor for whom your a transmigrant.

Like I said naruto was helped by Minato without whom he'd be iruka level? The yang chakra of the kyubi enhanced his body, stamina and any other abilities

 

[salamander uchiha]

wtf he literally said genes containing his powerful chakra, are you retarded? Nothing is selective here and you just called viz manga fanfic.
I see now. You're a troll. gtfo don't bother me troll, I already dealt with so many in the pass few days I don't feel like doing it again.

No your the only troll you quote part of the scan he's clearly referring to indra so I posted the whole scan so we can see who Hogaromo is referring to is Indra.

 

[Styles]

I don't remember Zetsu saying that. Naruto reach that level at kcm btw, he was just able to sense it when he entered Sm.

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[Rikudou Tobi]

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He said it depends on the reincarnates power, I didn't think their was a level to it considering that

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No your the only troll you quote part of the scan he's clearly referring to indra so I posted the whole scan so we can see who Hogaromo is referring to is Indra.

I know he's referring to Indra, that's the whole point I was saying the whole time.
Tobi said Indra had the powerful chakra, not Ashura. Hagormoo said the exact same thing.

Ashura has physical energy and stamina while Indra has mental energy and chakra
Indra=Powerful chakra
Ashura=Stamina
I've been telling you the difference the whole time wtf.

 

[Styles]

He said it depends on the reincarnates power, I didn't think their was a level to it considering that

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I know he's referring to Indra, that's the whole point I was saying the whole time.
Tobi said Indra had the powerful chakra, not Ashura. Hagormoo said the exact same thing.

Ashura has physical energy and stamina while Indra has mental energy and chakra
Indra=Powerful chakra
Ashura=Stamina
I've been telling you the difference the whole time wtf.

I think it had more to do with Madara being Juubi jin otherwise they should have met Hagoromo in their time when they were on Sasuke and Naruto's level if not stronger. Added that you "supposedly" need Kurama's chakra also in conjunction with Indra and Ashura's.

 

[kiiro]

Ashura wasn't really the main reason to his stamina tho. It was all Kurama since he was born. Naruto and Sasuke was reincarnations but i don't think they awakened their power yet until they reached MS and sage mode level. Just like BZ (iirc) said they had to reach a certain level to be able to see Hagoromo.

I posted Scans of when they became transmigrants. Check it out and tell me what you think.

 

[kiiro]

He said it depends on the reincarnates power, I didn't think their was a level to it considering that

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I know he's referring to Indra, that's the whole point I was saying the whole time.
Tobi said Indra had the powerful chakra, not Ashura. Hagormoo said the exact same thing.

Ashura has physical energy and stamina while Indra has mental energy and chakra
Indra=Powerful chakra
Ashura=Stamina
I've been telling you the difference the whole time wtf.

WTF. Hashirama didn't summon Hagoromo. He just appeared because Madara.

 

[Styles]

I posted Scans of when they became transmigrants. Check it out and tell me what you think.

Mind showing the post?

 

[kiiro]

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and see what i told you

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

WTF. Hashirama didn't summon Hagoromo. He just appeared because Madara.

Hashirama merged his chakra with Madara which resulted in summoning Hagormoo. Read what Hagormoo said in the manga I just posted. He literally thanked Hashirama.

Mind showing the post?

Ignore it. He said VoTe 1 Naruto vs Sasuke were not transmigrates and he couldn't explain why Zetsu was recording them despite Zetsu saying he records all reincarnation battles.

Even you are not gonna deny that Naruto and Sasuke were transmigrates since part 1. He thinks it started after the Pain arc with no valid reason whatsoever.

 

[salamander uchiha]

He said it depends on the reincarnates power, I didn't think their was a level to it considering that

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I know he's referring to Indra, that's the whole point I was saying the whole time.
Tobi said Indra had the powerful chakra, not Ashura. Hagormoo said the exact same thing.

Ashura has physical energy and stamina while Indra has mental energy and chakra
Indra=Powerful chakra
Ashura=Stamina
I've been telling you the difference the whole time wtf.

The sage also said Indra inherited the genes. Genes equal body so that's what I was pointing out. And nowhere did Hogaromo mention Ashura inherited his stamina since that's a bodily quality and we know Indra inherited the genes.
It's also the reason Ashura was given the power up by Hogaromo so he could match Indra and the best he could do was a stalemate.
This is why I told you to leave the fanfic at the door.

 

[Styles]

Seriously I dont think Kishimoto already planned all about the transmigrants in that chapter. Zetsu was there to give the entrance of the second arc.

Now look carefully to these scans. Here is when Naruto saw that Sasuke was different and had something just like him:

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Yes, it was exactly in that exchange of tecnics where Naruto noticed something in Sasuke. The same thing as inside him. Ashura's and Indra's chakra begin to merge.

This confirms it:

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Even Karim notice it when she was saved by Naruto. The opposite sides.




That is the difference between Kushina's and Naruto's seal. Naruto's seal was made in a way that his and Kurama's chakra mixed. This has been said many times before. Also, Nagato, Kushina has also good feats. And we don't know how much chakra they have but they were consider chakra monster at least once.

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Chakra = Stamina. Gai is just not good at doing jutsus. But he does have chakra. I am not saying that he is equal to Naruto. Learn the basics.

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Dont know from where you get that.

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and see what i told you

I think they were reincarnations since birth. Remember Ashura couldn't move on because Madara halted it and prolonged his life? So because of that they skipped a generation or 2 and went to Naruto and Sasuke.(since Madara died when everyone was alive except Sasuke and Naruto)

During the bridge i think that was when they actually unlocked their power or began to know that they were reincarnations.

Agreed Kushina's seal and Naruto's are different. Minato put 2 seals on Naruto iirc. Kushina had 1 given to her by Mito and Minato incorporated his FTG into the seal.(iirc)

Kinda disagree. Lee have lot of stamina but low chakra. Due to kurama Naruto have large stamina and large chakra.

Then Hashirama's chakra is massive due to his life force but Kushina's chakra isn't big at all even tho she have massive vitality. So i'm iffy on that part.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

The sage also said Indra inherited the genes.

You need to stop being so redundant and actually read what is being said here instead of conjuring your own fiction manga.
Indra inherited his chakra genes, That's what I said and that what the manga said.
You keep saying "he inherited genes"
Genes what? What in the genes did he inherit? Because Kishi said chakra genes and you keep repeating genes like as if "genes" is a counter to "chakra genes."

Genes equal body so that's what I was pointing out. And nowhere did Hogaromo mention Ashura inherited his stamina since that's a bodily quality and we know Indra inherited the genes.
It's also the reason Ashura was given the power up by Hogaromo so he could match Indra and the best he could do was a stalemate.

Do you know what bodily chakra? He said he inherited chakra genes, you need to pay attention to what type of genes are being inherited. Saying that he "inherited genes" doesn't make sense because there's a type of genes that are being inherited.
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He possessed "genes containing my powerful chakra." What genes did Indra inherit? Answer: genes with powerful chakra.
Did he inherit genes with hagormoo's stamina? Did he inherit genes with hagormoo's bodily chakra? Answer: No
Indra has Six path chakra with six path mental energy.

This is why I told you to leave the fanfic at the door.

Keep quite and actually learn what the word fanfic means. You're arguing an enterly different purpose here while calling pages I post a fanfic. You don't call viz manga fanfic, fanfic means everything word for word is not in a manga page in the whole entire series.