Hashirama also is reincarnation of Ashura
Hashirama is ashura
naruto is ashura
naruto ,Hashirama ,ashura = same soul
Ashura or Minato?
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Hashirama is ashura
naruto is ashura
naruto ,Hashirama ,ashura = same soul
Rikudou Tobi
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Wrong and fanfic. Naruto's style of living never changed since part 1 to after the pain arc so you're wrong there. And black zetsu specifically said that he always records the battle of transmigrants which he did in the naruto vs Sasuke vote 1 fight. If naruto wasn't a transmigrant then, zetsu would not be there.
I already mentioned the six path yang lineage which is senju/uzamaki.
However this is wrong. Look at nagato, kushina, and Karin who were pure breed uzamakis and they did not have nearly as much as stamina as naruto did.
Kyubi has nothing to do with it, kushina being a jinchuuriki proved that kyubi's chakra did not increase her stamina in anyway also Minato who sealed yin half of kurama within his body before passing did not get a stamina boost in anyway and died with less stamina than he did before the shiki seal.
1. Gai has the most stamina because taijutsu uses stamina aka physical energy which took hardwork to get. He has a 5 in stamina because he has all 8 gates which most shinobis never shown to have such physical energy to get that high
2. Stamina does not equal chakra. Just because Gai has a 5 in stamina doesn't mean his chakra is anywhere near Naruto's. You need both physical and spiritual energy to produce chakra and Gai is predominant physical energy (body), he lacks the spiritual energy to produce a jutsu like most average shinobis. Summoning jutsu is the best he's got.
Stamina is not chakra, Indra's incarnates are known for their powerful chakra. They predominantly use spiritual energy for their power and you'll know they reach their max spiritual energy when they awaken the mangekyo sharingan.
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Rikudou Tobi
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Stop the fanfiction theories and stick to the manga. Kyubi supplied naruto with excess chakra not stamina.
Minato helped him more by far
Black Zetsu explicitly stated that many pass transmigrant failed to bloom their power (and be used for his plans but that's irrelevant here)
Ashura only played a part in the six paths tier side of things and equilibrium with Sasuke
Black Zetsu explicitly stated that many pass transmigrant failed to bloom their power (and be used for his plans but that's irrelevant here)
Ashura only played a part in the six paths tier side of things and equilibrium with Sasuke
Seriously I dont think Kishimoto already planned all about the transmigrants in that chapter. Zetsu was there to give the entrance of the second arc.
Now look carefully to these scans. Here is when Naruto saw that Sasuke was different and had something just like him:
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Yes, it was exactly in that exchange of tecnics where Naruto noticed something in Sasuke. The same thing as inside him. Ashura's and Indra's chakra begin to merge.
This confirms it:
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Even Karim notice it when she was saved by Naruto. The opposite sides.
That is the difference between Kushina's and Naruto's seal. Naruto's seal was made in a way that his and Kurama's chakra mixed. This has been said many times before. Also, Nagato, Kushina has also good feats. And we don't know how much chakra they have but they were consider chakra monster at least once.
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Chakra = Stamina. Gai is just not good at doing jutsus. But he does have chakra. I am not saying that he is equal to Naruto. Learn the basics.
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Dont know from where you get that.
Rikudou Tobi
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You're assuming that Kishi didn't know what he was writing after Black zetsu specifically said he watches all Indra vs Ashura transmigrant fight prior to being sealed. All of them.
I don't see what the naruto and Sasuke thing proves.
He said he was able to sense it, because he was never able to sense until after he learned Sage mode.
Naruto and Kushina have the same seal and her feats were no where near naruto's level of stamina.
Please read what you post. Stamina is not chakra, stamina is energy. It says it right there in the scan you just posted.
Energy and chakra are two different things.
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Transmigrant doesn't mean you have their power, you can be a transmigrat and be weak just as you can not be one and be strong as if obito HAD obtained ems with both his sharigans he would've be far stronger than even hashi
Wrong. Naruto has his own soul as does hashirama. Hashirama didn't have the same personality as naruto. Just because you're a transmigrant doesn't mean you are or will ever be as strong as that person. Try again
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Why did you follow me all the way out here?
Okay, kyubi did provide some stamina but Ashura is the main reason here.
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salamander uchiha
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Your the only 1 into fanfic stamina isn't an inherent quality it can be increased and decreased by kyubi increasing Naruto's endurance he gained more stamina. Even rock lee had more stamina his was earned through hard work unlike Naruto's. I suggest you leave your fanfiction at the door.
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I am assuming that that chapter was like chapter 235. And all story of the transmigrants was like 9 years later. I dont believe Kishimoto already thought of making them transmigrants. He put black Zetsu there for Akatsuki reasons. How would Zetsu know who are the transmigrants by birth?
He didnt even fight Naruto with sage mode. It was in his base. It was the clash of tecnics that I showed you where Naruto realized something different was in them.
I will make more easy. Look at chapter animated. It is the first 3 minutes. Hagoromo asks him if he knew then Naruto flashback to the scene where he knew it.
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No it wasn't. Not all the seals are the same. Look at how Kurama was:
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Way different of the cage in Naruto.
Please read the Scan. It says STAMINA the between Brackets it says Physical energy and Spiritual Energy.
Stamina and chakra are the same. The only difference is the you mold the chakra. In other words, Physical Energy and Spiritual Energy is mixed to create chakra. Stamina is not only physical Energy since even in Taijutsu you get tired mentally.
Did I explain now?
Stamina = Physical Energy & Spiritual Energy = Chakra = Physical Energy + Spiritual Energy.
Even the databook says so.
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Ashura's chakra wasn't in Naruto since birth. Just as it wasn't in Sasuke who had 2 points of stamina or chakra.
salamander uchiha
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Were talking about Naruto here not Ashura. I suggest you read tgevpart where the sage explains it in that he mention Indra inherited the genes. Genes are physical anyway this is about Naruto his stamina come from the kyubi not from his own power
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Like I said. Assumptions. I don't care about what you 'feel' is right or wrong, all I care about is what Kishi wrote down on paper word for word himself no arguments needed. The same way BZ knew who was a transmigrate at birth is the same way he knew during the war arc. Zetsu who is part of akatsuki literally hide there recording two transmigrants fight at VoTe 1 instead of doing what Akatsuki does and capture the nine tails at a younger age like Itachi was ordered to do.
You purposely avoided the fact that Zetsu did not attempt to capture part 1 Naruto at Valley's end for akatsuki but decided to record the fight instead. Why aren't you asking that question why? Use your brain and think here.
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2. Once naruto gained sennin mode, he learned the concept of sensing. He was never able to sense chakra before sennin mode, the clash is hardly worth talking about. In fact, Naruto said that high level shinobi's can read each others heart by clashing, Ay did the very same to Bee during the war arc.
It's the same seal:
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Wrong again. Chakra is spiritual energy and physical energy mixed together. Stamina is those two energies individually.
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Because you saying stamina is chakra is you basically you saying that Lee uses chakra just to preform leaf whirlwind hurricane.
This right here
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not chakra. Learn the difference between the two. You need more energy to expand your chakra, which requires Rock lee's training of push ups, squads, and other physical exercise.
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You just said stamina cannot be inherited and I just posted a scan of them manga literally saying Ashura inherited his father's stamina. That's the whole point of that post.
I can pull up a page of transmigrants gaining Ashura or Indra's power. It's in the manga and it's in the fan translated databook as well. Naturally Uchiha inherits yin energy from hagormoo and Senjus Yang energy from hagormoo.
salamander uchiha
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According to Hogaromo Indra inherited the genes therefore the body. No mention of Ashura inheriting stamina by Hogaromo who do we trust Tobi or Hogaromo? As for Naruto he didn't his power stems from him being kyubi host it grants him chakra reserves, stamina, healing factor, faster recovery. Chakra is a by product of spiritual energy and stamina so your point is mute. If the seal gives him chakra being yang hand it would be physical energy and stamina.
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