[Predictions] One Piece Manga Chapter 870 Discussion and 871 Predictions

[Sakazuki]

1/5 very very very boring chapter and bege is disgusting

 

[Skull Knight]

Urouge being able to fight does not make him credible on the Strawhats' relationships.

Yes but it shows how pirates in OPverse sees SH hierarchy.
Urogue saying that is a hint that Worse gen believes Zoro as right hand of Luffy which is mostly FM position.

Right, let's make the word of the fanboy who overexaggerates everything he says as comedic value because he's a parody of fanboys as credible proof.

The same guy knew about other SH member. He even interacted with other guys but he never gave FM title to Nami or Ussop. This again shows how pirate community is seeing SH hierarchy.

Nami did that to save the Strawhats. Usopp challenged Luffy because he knew he'd lose, he felt like he was being a burden to the cry and projected his feelings onto the Merry. By this logic, Zoro lost his credibility when he threatened to kill Luffy and told him to abandon a crewmate on Zou.

So far Zoro hasn't betrayed Luffy like Nami did back at Arlong arc.
Ussop reason doesn't matter. He was basically questioning Luffy's authority on Merry. He challenged him and lost. At that moment even Sanji abandoned him.

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

1.

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Oda writing a character saying something is not the same as Oda confirming something. Otherwise, every instance of hyperbole, like Enel saying "My will alone created the universe" or non-truth, like the World Government saying Chopper is a pet of the Strawhats, would be canon fact, and neither of those things are despite Oda writing a character saying them.

For a character's words to be taken as confirmation from Oda, it has to be credible. Urouge is not. He is an outsider of the crew who has never met them and knows a whopping total of nothing about the crew. Him saying Zoro is the first mate is as credible as the World Government saying Chopper is a pet. Unless it comes from Luffy and the crew, it's not confirmation, and the only thing to come from Luffy is a throwaway line about Usopp taking over.

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The Zoro-Kuma situation is so overblown, considering that Kuma told the residents of Thriller Bark he'd kill all of them if they don't hand over Luffy, and all of them chose to die, which is the exact same thing Zoro did with the pain pubble. It's not special.

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That goes double for Zoro yelling at Luffy, since Luffy continued on to be goofy immediately after(much to Zoro's ire) and other Strawhats, including Nami, Franky, and Sanji, have yelled at him or stopped him from being stupid/wild at one point or another in the same fashion.

1. Manga >>>> You....also a Straw Hat alliance member has said it as well
2. Still doesn't make what Zoro did any less significant
3.He didn't tell him to stop messing around but to not let his guard down.....
Also love the logic here...Nami tells Luffy not to fight and just leave but Luffy still leaves to fight Big Mom....That clearly makes her the First Mate wow so cool but you try to discredit Zoro because Luffy "didn't listen" to Zoro

also you missed this:

Spoiler

 

[Punk Hazard]

Yes but it shows how pirates in OPverse sees SH hierarchy.
Urogue saying that is a hint that Worse gen believes Zoro as right hand of Luffy which is mostly FM position.

No it's not. Urouge does not speak for the rest of the Worst Generation. He speaks for himself only, and his word is not credible just because he has strength. Being able to fight good does not translate to knowing the Strawhats.

The same guy knew about other SH member. He even interacted with other guys but he never gave FM title to Nami or Ussop. This again shows how pirate community is seeing SH hierarchy.

No he didn't. Urouge has never even met the other Strawhats face to face, he's only seen Zoro in person. Urouge's knowledge comes from the incredibly inaccurate World Government papers, the same ones that labelled Chopper a pet and didn't know a thing about Sanji because his biggest contributions were done under the radar. Urouge's word means absolutely nothing.

So far Zoro hasn't betrayed Luffy like Nami did back at Arlong arc.

Nami didn't betray Luffy did, she did what she did to protect the Strawhats from Arlong because she had no idea they could beat Arlong. That's why she faked stabbing Usopp and threw him into the ocean so he could escape.

Ussop reason doesn't matter. He was basically questioning Luffy's authority on Merry. He challenged him and lost. At that moment even Sanji abandoned him.

Except Zoro has questioned Luffy's authority as well on Zou. When Luffy said he wanted to go after Sanji, Zoro yelled "No, drop it Luffy!" and told Luffy to leave behind Sanji, so by your own merit, Zoro is also disqualified.

1. Manga >>>> You....also a Straw Hat alliance member has said it as well

Except when Bartolomeo said that, he wasn't a Straw Hat Alliance member, his word was even less credible than it is now. And his word still remains non-credible due to the fact that he views everything about the Strawhats through a delusional lens of fanobyism akin to this section, and he still hasn't actually learned anything new about them that he didn't know before.

Using "He's a Strawhat Alliance Member" is a terrible argument because Suleiman has the same credit, but we know his word about the Strawhats would mean nothing because he isn't informed enough to be credible.

2. Still doesn't make what Zoro did any less significant

I didn't say it makes it less significant, I'm saying you're making it more significant than it actually is. Zoro decided to die in order to protect Luffy. Every other Strawhat and inhabitant of Thriller Bark made that exact same decision as well, so it's not special to Zoro.

3.He didn't tell him to stop messing around but to not let his guard down.....

Same difference. Cause a few second, Zoro was lamenting the fact that Luffy was doing the exact opposite.

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Also love the logic here...Nami tells Luffy not to fight and just leave but Luffy still leaves to fight Big Mom....That clearly makes her the First Mate wow so cool but you try to discredit Zoro because Luffy "didn't listen" to Zoro

You do realize my post was mocking you First Mate advocates, right? You'll always find me saying the Strawhats have no first mate because it doesn't fit their dynamic unless Oda changes that.

also you missed this:

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No I didn't. Zoro making a good argument once does not qualify him as a vice captain.

 

[Skull Knight]

No it's not. Urouge does not speak for the rest of the Worst Generation. He speaks for himself only, and his word is not credible just because he has strength. Being able to fight good does not translate to knowing the Strawhats.



No he didn't. Urouge has never even met the other Strawhats face to face, he's only seen Zoro in person. Urouge's knowledge comes from the incredibly inaccurate World Government papers, the same ones that labelled Chopper a pet and didn't know a thing about Sanji because his biggest contributions were done under the radar. Urouge's word means absolutely nothing.

So what if their opinions are based on rumours or gossips. Do u think kid was surprised to see Luffy as normal human rather than a giant as those rumours mentioned???
U simply can't say that Urogue has never interacted with SH means we shouldnt take his words seriously.
Even Capone has never interacted with SHs still he knew Sanji was a vinsmoke thanks to the Intel he and his men gathered in BM's crew. So their is always a chance that other guys are also doing the same.

Nami didn't betray Luffy did, she did what she did to protect the Strawhats from Arlong because she had no idea they could beat Arlong. That's why she faked stabbing Usopp and threw him into the ocean so he could escape.

Nami stole the ship and gave away the treasure to Arlong(if I remember correctly). That's a form of betrayal.

Except Zoro has questioned Luffy's authority as well on Zou. When Luffy said he wanted to go after Sanji, Zoro yelled "No, drop it Luffy!" and told Luffy to leave behind Sanji, so by your own merit, Zoro is also disqualified.

There was a difference. Ussop basically challenged Luffy for Merry and Zoro reminded him what SHs are going to face in future. In both the cases majority supported Zoro.

 

[Punk Hazard]

So what if their opinions are based on rumours or gossips. Do u think kid was surprised to see Luffy as normal human rather than a giant as those rumours mentioned???

This ESPECIALLY disqualifies Urouge's statements. Going off of rumors and gossips makes him very non-credible, since those aren't facts. We've seen rumors and gossip about Luffy, including that he was ten meters tall and that he wasn't a human being. So you SURE you wanna say rumors and gossip count as credible facts?

U simply can't say that Urogue has never interacted with SH means we shouldnt take his words seriously. Even Capone has never interacted with SHs still he knew Sanji was a vinsmoke thanks to the Intel he and his men gathered in BM's crew. So their is always a chance that other guys are also doing the same.

Urouge being unfamiliar with the Strawhats means he can't make educated comments about their dynamic. That's not comparable to Sanji being a Vinsmoke, since that's an objective fact and not up for interpretation. That's something ANYONE can know.

Nami stole the ship and gave away the treasure to Arlong(if I remember correctly). That's a form of betrayal.

Not when she did to save their lives.

There was a difference. Ussop basically challenged Luffy for Merry and Zoro reminded him what SHs are going to face in future. In both the cases majority supported Zoro.

No they didn't lmfao. On Zou, every Strawhat there disagreed with Zoro, including Luffy, who went to get Sanji anyways. Zoro tried to command Luffy, and when Luffy said "This is what we're gonna do," Zoro said "No, drop it" in defiance. There ain't no difference.

 

[marcushatake]

So no one is gonna point out that Sanji hit a lady ??

 

[Punk Hazard]

So no one is gonna point out that Sanji hit a lady ????????????

Yooo you're right. Damn

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Why are we still talking about this tbh? Luffy gave Usopp the ok for the vice captain role


OT: I like Sanji's reason in this chapter a lott better than the garbage " he's kind mate".

 

[Dannie]

BM isn't a lady so I don't think that counts.

 

[Love Cook]

So no one is gonna point out that Sanji hit a lady ????????????

Looked more like he parried an attack, which he also had no problem doing against Kalifa. And you could even say he was hitting Prometheus and not Big Mom.

So let's see next chapter how this develops.

 

[Mystikk]

1/5 very very very boring chapter and bege is disgusting

We cant be possibly reading the same manga.. smh 5/5 for me seeing luffy not be scared of bigmom like everyone else was more then enough and finally actually seeing them clash was even better.

Everyone keeps talking about escape.. there was never going to b an escape to think u can sneak in yonko territory and walk out alive is just stupid.. and i just dont think oda is i believe this is a fight to the death unless shankks or someone else can come rescue luffy he will have to win .. or ima have to change my av fukkkk lol!!!!!

 

[Sakazuki]

We cant be possibly reading the same manga.. smh 5/5 for me seeing luffy not be scared of bigmom like everyone else was more then enough and finally actually seeing them clash was even better.

Everyone keeps talking about escape.. there was never going to b an escape to think u can sneak in yonko territory and walk out alive is just stupid.. and i just dont think oda is i believe this is a fight to the death unless shankks or someone else can come rescue luffy he will have to win .. or ima have to change my av fukkkk lol!!!!!

If I thought it was boring than it was boring, to me, that's my opinion so stfu and leave me alone.

 

[LBeezy]

Yo Howlett

Yo Love Cook


I ain't even finna lie.. when Nami was talking to Luffy I was almost worried like oh shit, is Oda really gonna have them just run away?!?

But then I seen that Elephant Gun and Diable Jambe Crosse Strike and I was like okay cool.. we still on!! lol

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I hope yall know that I actually fks wit yall and we're all friends at the end of the day.. regardless of what happens in this manga.. I'ma love One Piece to the death of me!! Best manga ever!!

 

[Punk Hazard]

Everyone keeps talking about escape.. there was never going to b an escape to think u can sneak in yonko territory and walk out alive is just stupid

Urouge, Kid, Hawkins, and Blackbeard all did exactly this: Escape from Yonko alive.

Yo Howlett

Yo Love Cook


I ain't even finna lie.. when Nami was talking to Luffy I was almost worried like oh shit, is Oda really gonna have them just run away?!?

But then I seen that Elephant Gun and Diable Jambe Crosse Strike and I was like okay cool.. we still on!! lol

Spoiler

I hope yall know that I actually fks wit yall and we're all friends at the end of the day.. regardless of what happens in this manga.. I'ma love One Piece to the death of me!! Best manga ever!!

***** dont call my name, the hell wrong with you.

 

[LBeezy]

Urouge, Kid, Hawkins, and Blackbeard all did exactly this: Escape from Yonko alive.



***** dont call my name, the hell wrong with you.

Fite me m8

 

[chopstickchakra]

We cant be possibly reading the same manga.. smh 5/5 for me seeing luffy not be scared of bigmom like everyone else was more then enough and finally actually seeing them clash was even better.

Everyone keeps talking about escape.. there was never going to b an escape to think u can sneak in yonko territory and walk out alive is just stupid.. and i just dont think oda is i believe this is a fight to the death unless shankks or someone else can come rescue luffy he will have to win .. or ima have to change my av fukkkk lol!!!!!

If someone comes in and saves him now after all this though that's gonna be such a cheap plot shield to protect the MC and I don't see Oda doing that after taking the time to show his MC say he wouldn't lose a fight again. Luffy may not win all his fights 1v1 but I trust Oda when he had Luffy make that comment.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Urouge, Kid, Hawkins, and Blackbeard all did exactly this: Escape from Yonko alive.



***** dont call my name, the hell wrong with you.

No. Urogue Kid and Hawkins never fought BM they fought one of her commanders and his people. Good try though. And who exactly did BB escape from because I'm blanking on that right now? Shanks? It was never said he was Yonko at the time of their clash, that's an assumption and WB died.

 

[Punk Hazard]

No. Urogue Kid and Hawkins never fought BM they fought one of her commanders and his people. Good try though. And who exactly did BB escape from because I'm blanking on that right now? Shanks? It was never said he was Yonko at the time of their clash, that's an assumption and WB died.

Where did he say fight Yonko and escape? Pro-tip: He never did. He said get into their territory and get out alive, which those people did. gOoD TRy tHOugH

Blackbeard did it when he killed Thatch.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Where did he say fight Yonko and escape? Pro-tip: He never did. He said get into their territory and get out alive, which those people did. gOoD TRy tHOugH

Blackbeard did it when he killed Thatch.

I wasn't replying to what he said but what you said, you said they escaped from a Yonko but that's not true since they never came face to face with the Yonko only her subordinates. If you expect replies to you to adhere to his original wording then maybe you shouldn't change it. If you meant they all escaped from Yonko territory than that's what you should have said because what you said is technically incorrect.

eeh only if we're talking in escaped their authority and not escaping them the person since Teach did that at night and snuck out.