[Discussion] vasto lorde ichigo vs bankai zaraki

[Liquid Snake]

I disagree completely. Bankai zaraki would've beat ywach with aizen far easier that ichigo did. Ichigo would be diced he wouldn't even be able to keep up with the sheer power of zaraki. And zarakis Bankai isn't a Bankai like ichigo or someone like Yamamoto or the guy with two scimitar, where the surrounding is affected and there was only three people around to witness zarakis Bankai and then zaraki was so powerful he crushed himself lmao

No he crushed himself because his body couldn't handle his new power. Doesnt mean hes on ichigos lvl. Ichigos potential is limitless

 

[Umari Senju]

We saw his new power now.. Can he beat Bankai zaraki

I doubt it. the hollow form that fought the Quincy king seemed pretty strong. He was just matched up against the almighty.
While Zarakai's bankai is badass it would be a close match but I think Ichigo would still be the victor....barely. Might even be a double KO

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

No he crushed himself because his body couldn't handle his new power. Doesnt mean hes on ichigos lvl. Ichigos potential is limitless

And zarakis power is especially as soon as he gets a hang of it. Zarakis slash > ichigo tetsuga

 

[Liquid Snake]

And zarakis power is especially as soon as he gets a hang of it. Zarakis slash > ichigo tetsuga

Listen im not denying he is very powerful i love kenpachi but its a reason Ichigo was special to ywach he has the highest potential and if not for ichigo kenpachi would be dead already. Ywach can beat kenpachi without changing the future but not Ichigo

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

Listen im not denying he is very powerful i love kenpachi but its a reason Ichigo was special to ywach he has the highest potential and if not for ichigo kenpachi would be dead already. Ywach can beat kenpachi without changing the future but not Ichigo

Ik what you're saying but one of the main reasons I liked bleach was for the fact the mc was never the strongest character like in every other Manga besides one piece. But if zaraki has a hang of his Bankai than ywach would definitely need to change the future to win but if not he'd just crush himself and ywach would know that. I see whtat you're saying though, zarakis current life time (Bankai). Is unknown but going by his battle with Gerard yeah he'd loose too ichigo but because of himself imo not because ichigo can over power him

 

[ssjelf]

Ik what you're saying but one of the main reasons I liked bleach was for the fact the mc was never the strongest character like in every other Manga besides one piece. But if zaraki has a hang of his Bankai than ywach would definitely need to change the future to win but if not he'd just crush himself and ywach would know that. I see whtat you're saying though, zarakis current life time (Bankai). Is unknown but going by his battle with Gerard yeah he'd loose too ichigo but because of himself imo not because ichigo can over power him

We didn't even get to see ichigos bankai in action the first time because Yhwach broke it. He acknowledged its power and decided he needed to break it in order to win. Yhwach really proved ichigos strength here, he even said earlier that ichigos power is so formidable he had no room for errors. This acknowledgement from the most powerful person in the series puts ichigo above kenpachi. Kenpachi got stuck with an underling who he had to fight with 2 other captains. At this stage, ichgo really is the most powerful good guy. If he wasn't then why was the fate of the entire world put on him to defeat Yhwach and not kenpachi??

Another thing to note, ichigo, aizen, and ishida didn't beat Yhwach through strength. Subbing kenpachi out for ichigo would have resulted in a loss. They won because zangetsu helped ichigo get the last blow in despite Yhwach breaking ichigos bankai again. If it was kenpachi there would not have been a second sword there to deliver the final blow.

 

[Liquid Snake]

Ik what you're saying but one of the main reasons I liked bleach was for the fact the mc was never the strongest character like in every other Manga besides one piece. But if zaraki has a hang of his Bankai than ywach would definitely need to change the future to win but if not he'd just crush himself and ywach would know that. I see whtat you're saying though, zarakis current life time (Bankai). Is unknown but going by his battle with Gerard yeah he'd loose too ichigo but because of himself imo not because ichigo can over power him

Well Ichigo wasnt the strongest character but he is still stronger than kenpachi. He can grand rey cero kenpachi. He already had more rietsu than kenpachi now with his added quincy powers and hollow powers added its even further. Its no way he beats Ichigo

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

We didn't even get to see ichigos bankai in action the first time because Yhwach broke it. He acknowledged its power and decided he needed to break it in order to win. Yhwach really proved ichigos strength here, he even said earlier that ichigos power is so formidable he had no room for errors. This acknowledgement from the most powerful person in the series puts ichigo above kenpachi. Kenpachi got stuck with an underling who he had to fight with 2 other captains. At this stage, ichgo really is the most powerful good guy. If he wasn't then why was the fate of the entire world put on him to defeat Yhwach and not kenpachi??

Another thing to note, ichigo, aizen, and ishida didn't beat Yhwach through strength. Subbing kenpachi out for ichigo would have resulted in a loss. They won because zangetsu helped ichigo get the last blow in despite Yhwach breaking ichigos bankai again. If it was kenpachi there would not have been a second sword there to deliver the final blow.

Yamamoto is the most powerful . You can't touch him or you will be burned and erased from existence and you can't let him touch you or you will be erased from existence. Even if ywach can change the future there's no changing being erased from existence and ywach can't go in the future and break his Bankai because he can't touch Yamamoto or he will be erased from existence, and if he fights Yamamoto Bankai he can't hit Yamamoto and if he gets hit he will be erased and he won't be able to change the future. That's why he had to use a clone to beat Yamamoto. That is the proof of Yamamoto power, so powerful ywach knew he couldn't fight him until his Bankai was out

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

We didn't even get to see ichigos bankai in action the first time because Yhwach broke it. He acknowledged its power and decided he needed to break it in order to win. Yhwach really proved ichigos strength here, he even said earlier that ichigos power is so formidable he had no room for errors. This acknowledgement from the most powerful person in the series puts ichigo above kenpachi. Kenpachi got stuck with an underling who he had to fight with 2 other captains. At this stage, ichgo really is the most powerful good guy. If he wasn't then why was the fate of the entire world put on him to defeat Yhwach and not kenpachi??

Another thing to note, ichigo, aizen, and ishida didn't beat Yhwach through strength. Subbing kenpachi out for ichigo would have resulted in a loss. They won because zangetsu helped ichigo get the last blow in despite Yhwach breaking ichigos bankai again. If it was kenpachi there would not have been a second sword there to deliver the final blow.

Oh and btw there's no proof if ywach went in the future and cut down Gerard that he wouldn't just regrow. If ywach couldn't take his power and they fought there's no idea who would win. I don't think ichigo could beat Gerard, nice try on trying to make ichigo seem stronger because he didn't fight gerard

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

Well Ichigo wasnt the strongest character but he is still stronger than kenpachi. He can grand rey cero kenpachi. He already had more rietsu than kenpachi now with his added quincy powers and hollow powers added its even further. Its no way he beats Ichigo

Kenpachi slash feat and bite power >>> any cero or tetsuga ichigo has shown

 

[Sakazuki]

Kenpachi slash feat and bite power >>> any cero or tetsuga ichigo has shown

This is true

 

[Liquid Snake]

Kenpachi slash feat and bite power >>> any cero or tetsuga ichigo has shown

Lol what? Kenpachi barely overpowered the underling. And only for a short time. That same guy is probably done in by one of ichigos cero with his new bankai. We didnt even get to see his full power anyway. The power lvl ranks in soul society are ichigo, aizen, then Kenpachi

 

[Liquid Snake]

Oh and btw there's no proof if ywach went in the future and cut down Gerard that he wouldn't just regrow. If ywach couldn't take his power and they fought there's no idea who would win. I don't think ichigo could beat Gerard, nice try on trying to make ichigo seem stronger because he didn't fight gerard

Ichigos hollow power is the deciding factor against all quincies

 

[Sakazuki]

Lol what? Kenpachi barely overpowered the underling. And only for a short time. That same guy is probably done in by one of ichigos cero with his new bankai. We didnt even get to see his full power anyway. The power lvl ranks in soul society are ichigo, aizen, then Kenpachi

Kenpachi slash feat> anything ichigo has shown in terms of power

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

Ichigos hollow power is the deciding factor against all quincies

Truee

 

[Liquid Snake]

Kenpachi slash feat> anything ichigo has shown in terms of power

Because he slashed a shield? Ichigo defeated ywach sorry that trumps anything yea u can say he had help but then again kenpachi had help as well so then we compare the enemies ywach >>>>>>>> gerald lol and Kenpachi had help from two ppl ichigo had inoue then aizen came later

 

[Sakazuki]

Because he slashed a shield? Ichigo defeated ywach sorry that trumps anything yea u can say he had help but then again kenpachi had help as well so then we compare the enemies ywach >>>>>>>> gerald lol and Kenpachi had help from two ppl ichigo had inoue then aizen came later

Based on feats even if ywach goes in the future, he can't beat Gerard unless he takes his power away

 

[Liquid Snake]

Based on feats even if ywach goes in the future, he can't beat Gerard unless he takes his power away

How do u claim this because Kenpachi couldn't beat him? Im pretty sure thats not true he wasnt even the 4th strongest quincy

 

[Sakazuki]

How do u claim this because Kenpachi couldn't beat him? Im pretty sure thats not true he wasnt even the 4th strongest quincy

He was the second strongest quincy and no one could beat him. Going by the Manga he will just regrow and regrow and right before ywach took his powers away they already stated his power was on ywach level. He threatened to kill the other quincy, the one with the x eye if they didn't follow his orders. So try again

 

[ssjelf]

He was the second strongest quincy and no one could beat him. Going by the Manga he will just regrow and regrow and right before ywach took his powers away they already stated his power was on ywach level. He threatened to kill the other quincy, the one with the x eye if they didn't follow his orders. So try again

On Yhwachs level before Yhwach even stood up lol.