No. Not sure what Manga you are reading but I already took this into account.
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Preta is on the left. That leaves every other Path open to an attack except for Deva and Naraka in the back, but considering Sasuke's Susanoo's height he can even directly attack the ones not in the front line. So unless you are willing to get me speed feats that put Preta Path far above Kakashi in terms of speed he doesn't intercept this arrow.
Well thanks for the scans that exactly what I meant. Nagato clearly placed the Paths according to their importance. He already sacrificed human path once to save animal path and preta path is standing very close right next to the animal path. From that distance the human path could easily jump in between or preta could always try to absorb the arrow and if that fails and the animal path is taken down with some luck then Preta path can always postition itself to intercept the next arrow on Deva or Naraka meanwhile Naraka resurrects Animal path back. So Sasuke's susanoo arrow may take down a few paths but only those which Nagato is ready to sacrifice. Those straighforward susanoo arrow aren't gonna take down preta, deva or naraka even if Sasuke fires a 100 arrows. Btw, while Sasuke enters Susanoo the animal path could always summon its summonings and block a direct line of sight between Sasuke and the paths using the multi headed dogs while the other summonings attack the susanoo directly where Sasuke would be like a sitting duck unless he uses amaterasu while using Susanoo to take down the dog summoning as susanoo arrows will only complicate matters for him against the dog. So amaterasu plus Susanoo quite taxing again.
Now as for Sasuke's susanoo being huge in size and able to take down Deva and Naraka directly bypassing Preta's defense then that only comes to picture if Sasuke's susanoo is close enough to make that height an advantage. Since we're debating about Sasuske vs Pein in the same situation as Naruto vs Pein then you should know they started pretty far off from each other. Much farther than the distance where Kakashi wasn't able to move away from the susanno arrow but if you want to continue from this distance I don't mind. So lets say Sasuke is standing close enough to target deva and naraka directly using his susanoo's height, then here's how it can be countered:
- First is animal path summons its summoning and overwhelm Sasuke while blocking his line of sight, forcing him to use amaterasu and susanoo defense at the same time to take down the summonings. At this point animal purpose has served its purpose. Meanwhile Preta moves closer to Sasuke's susanoo in all that confusion and absorbs it away. Sasuke loses a significant amount of chakra and is at huge disadvantage against the paths. Or the paths place themselves at a comfortable distance from his susanoo.
This was addressed, you didn't refute what I said. You just repeated yourself. Preta can't save Animal Path, destroying the animal summons takes less than 10 seconds as any variant of Enton ends it due to the fact that they cannot put it out. Sasuke lasted an entire fight with Danzo and Itachi used Susanoo for a few minutes before he died despite his illness so the nonsense stamina excuse you are using for Animal Path "overwhelming" Sasuke isn't working.
Well already countered above, animal path could always use the summons to block his line of sight and the only option for Sasuke to take them out is using amaterasu. And lol he's not going to take down all the summons with a single use of enton, he'd have to target each and every one of them individually while keeping his susanoo up and that's sure gonna be taxing on him no matter how you try to deny it by giving examples of Sasuke vs Danzo or how Itachi used his susanoo for a short time and died. Besides the whole point of using the summons was to distract and force him to use his MS techs.
Yes, but that doesn't have anything to do with strength, which is what this thread is about. That is my point.
Well in terms of strength SM Naruto has the advantage in taijutsu due to frog kata while MS Sasuke has an advantage in ninjutsu due to his MS abilities. So the one with better tactics would win.
That's not the point. The point is what occurred in canon was V1, not V4. Thus mentioning it as some sort of evidence is irrelevant. Whether or not you think V4 would make a difference is another question, though common sense and actual fights in the Manga tell you it would.
Lol V4 and susanoo's arrows against the Raikage won't make a difference and that's common sense. It'd just be a waste of chakra for Sasuke.
The tactics used against Raikage are useless here. Naruto redirected Raikage's own attack into him. He can't do that with Sasuke nor would it help him in any situation.
Well who said he'll use the same tactics against Sasuke, that was a comparision between the real Sasuke vs the 4th Raikage and an SM Naruto clone vs the 3rd Raikage.
The Susanoo he used is still inferior. The same orb Sasuke used in the War is present on his strongest Susanoo w/ MS.
I don't care which susanoo he used, he used an attack which he was only able to do after gaining EMS, so the whole MS Sasuke could keep up with KCM is non sense.
Yes. Mentally. Not physically. Thus you have no evidence that SM Naruto can physically dodge it. When SM Naruto has V2 Ay level speed then I'll agree he can dodge it. Kirin destroyed an entire Mountain. It's range is enough to wipe the entire battlefield of Naruto and his clones so that doesn't matter. The bold of course is something you've made up with literally no evidence to support it. Kirin obliterated Susanoo. Naruto is nowhere near as durable as even the weakest version so we can forget about him surviving Kirin in any capacity regardless of an indirect hit.
Also no, Kirin does not take a lot of chakra to prepare. Enton takes less chakra to use than Amaterasu, far less as Sasuke was spamming it against Gaara. That and Great Dragon Flame = Kirin. Why are you throwing claims out here without supporting them with some kind of Manga occurrence?
Both mentally and physically he countered it. He had to take use kyubi chakra physically to block it. Its common sense, Raikage sure is faster than SM Naruto but SM Naruto has better threat perception and thus a faster reaction. He doesn't have to be as fast as the raikage to dodge the amaterasu. Its the same did against the 3rd Raikage and anyway even Hebi Sasuke was able to dodge it to an extent against Itachi.
Kirin require huge scale weather manipulation and those tiny bleeps Sasuke used against Gaara isn't gonna do shit so no. Obviously it'll take a lot out of MS Sasuke.
As far as Kirn is concerned, the Susanoo was hit directly with it and I said the real SM Naruto could survive in the AoE as long as the attack doesn't hit his directly which he could manage by confusing Sasuke using his shadow clones and making him target a clone instead. While Kirin as an attack is instant, its preparation takes time and Naruto can always take countermeasures during that time.
No, he didn't fight carelessly. He was simply overpowered and was forced to fall back on said Izanagi. I never said Naruto would clash with Enton and Susanoo head on either. :lol Lying won't get you anywhere. I said that Enton mows down his fodder clones or Susanoo obliterates them and Naruto once Sasuke FORCES CLOSE COMBAT. Gonna make sure you see and read that clearly so you don't go saying I said something I didn't.
Lol, the dude jumped to his death countless times in the same manner despite having an arsenal of ranged attacks. He relied too much on his Izanagi.
Well Sasuke could mow down as many clones as he likes, there'll always be more. Sasuke can't keep up forever and if they enter close combat then frog kata negs his ass into pure world.
Then your strategy sucks. You've failed to show how Naruto survives long enough to do so. When met with game ending arguments you make shit like "Naruto survives an indirect hit of Kirin", "Naruto dodges Amaterasu", "Naruto spams clones causing Sasuke to tire out trying to kill them all" up.
Its not my strategy that sucks but your much expected denial that sucks. Anyway whatever floats your boat mate.
Clone spam is irrelevant. Sasuke has multiple techniques that'd wipe any clone army out in a matter of seconds so how exactly are they lasting long enough to tire him out completely?
Naruto can't spam a clone army while in SM, he could make 2 or 3 at best and he could keep spamming them much after Sasuke is completely drained of juice trying to destroy them.
3rd Raikage vs. 4th Raikage is irrelevant. Don't fall back on refuted arguments when you have nothing left to say. The weakest version of Sasuke was about to either kill or tie w/ Ay while Naruto needed to use the 3rd Raikage's own strength against him because he was too weak to defeat him using his own strength.
So whatever makes Sasuke look weaker is irrelevant..:lol:
Weakest version of MS Sasuke was about to be squashed by Ay, don't twist the facts.
Tactic plays a role in battle. Well I don't expect you to understand after all I've read from you.
You guys are silly as hell. Acting like you'll die if you just admit a previous version of Naruto is inferior to a previous version of Sasuke. You're supposed to be convincing me that SM Naruto>MS Sasuke but you are actually convincing me that Sasuke slaughters him since all you can say is "Naruto wins because clone spam galore".
I could say the same about you.
