Turkey will stop teaching evolution

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You have a proof that nothing really exist?

Apparently it has been lost on you that according to evolution, the universe generated itself from nothing and nowhere to become everything and everywhere, and then particles magically appeared and began to accrete and become molecules which got together and formed chains, which began to replicate and then magically came to life, and then they magically became prokaryotes, which then magically became eukaryotes, which eventually magically turned into plants, animals and humans. If that's not the story of evolution in a "nut" shell, then what is ("nut" is in quotes intentionally)?
 

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Doesn’t explain why impoverished East-Asian nations like Vietnam outperform most of the Muslim world together.

Doesn’t explain why, except for Iran, the Muslim countries that do perform decently in spite of their poverty are Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan etc – countries with peoples whose racial ancestries are mostly East-Asian.

Even the exception of Iran can be explained by population substructure (Iran is a somewhat mixed country, genetically). Have a look at Maryam Mirzakhani, the only woman to have won a mathematics equivalent of the Nobel prize, and an Iranian, and tell me she doesn’t look like she has European admixture.

Muslims have historically contributed to medieval science, the same standard we now teach in elementary-secondary school. Inventing basic algebra and inventing quantum mechanics require very different levels of intelligence.

As for your claims on iq stats of certain countries before I can make any definite claims I have to see the stats your referring to.

And like I said a factor is what people culturally value stereotypically Asian families are seen pushing there children in academic pursuits so it could be accounted to what people culturally care about. Over here in America people's general value of education and sciences isn't that high either.

If you personally believe innately Europeans and Asians are just genetically smarter that's your opinion to have but nothing you posted has proven that just that they are currently outperforming in academia.
 

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Apparently it has been lost on you that according to evolution, the universe generated itself from nothing and nowhere to become everything and everywhere, and then particles magically appeared and began to accrete and become molecules which got together and formed chains, which began to replicate and then magically came to life, and then they magically became prokaryotes, which then magically became eukaryotes, which eventually magically turned into plants, animals and humans. If that's not the story of evolution in a "nut" shell, then what is ("nut" is in quotes intentionally)?

And if the universe is eternal?
Anyways nothing can't exist, you always will have something, and it's very possible that our universe can be a brute fact.
 

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As for your claims on iq stats of certain countries before I can make any definite claims I have to see the stats your referring to.

And like I said a factor is what people culturally value stereotypically Asian families are seen pushing there children in academic pursuits so it could be accounted to what people culturally care about. Over here in America people's general value of education and sciences isn't that high either.

If you personally believe innately Europeans and Asians are just genetically smarter that's your opinion to have but nothing you posted has proven that just that they are currently outperforming in academia.

I was talking about performance on the International Biology Olympiads (a competition demanding very high IQ), not IQ.

Recent IQ data on most Arab countries can be found on google and I’m not going to be digging it all out for you, but there is no such data available for the Central Asians of note (although if you look at the IBO performance statistics I linked they show up as medallists every now and then; also be wary of internet IQ data on the Central Asians which come from averaging out the score of neighbouring countries, a method of estimation that ignores their real racial admixture).

Robust IQ data on the poor East-Asian countries has been lacking until very recently. 2013 saw the first solid IQ testing of the Vietnamese by Rindermann et al:



They found that Vietnamese children scored 99 on average across several different cognitive ability tests.

It is remarkable that Vietnam, an impoverished country with a GDP per Capita of about 2000 dollars, scores as high on IQ tests as does any wealthy European country. That same Vietnam also performs decently on the International Science Olympiads.

As a typical example of Arab IQ, the Egyptian average is 89 (note Egypt’s GDP per capita is higher than Vietnam’s:



Anyways I can only do so much as lead the horse to the water sagebee - I will not reply after this.
 
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Apparently it has been lost on you that according to evolution, the universe generated itself from nothing and nowhere to become everything and everywhere, and then particles magically appeared and began to accrete and become molecules which got together and formed chains, which began to replicate and then magically came to life, and then they magically became prokaryotes, which then magically became eukaryotes, which eventually magically turned into plants, animals and humans. If that's not the story of evolution in a "nut" shell, then what is ("nut" is in quotes intentionally)?

WTF are you talking about? The theory of evolution has nothing to do with the creation of the universe.
 

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I was talking about performance on the International Biology Olympiads (a competition demanding very high IQ), not IQ.

Recent IQ data on most Arab countries can be found on google and I’m not going to be digging it all out for you, but there is no such data available for the Central Asians of note (although if you look at the IBO performance statistics I linked they show up as medallists every now and then; also be wary of internet IQ data on the Central Asians which come from averaging out the score of neighbouring countries, a method of estimation that ignores their real racial admixture).

Robust IQ data on the poor East-Asian countries has been lacking until very recently. 2013 saw the first solid IQ testing of the Vietnamese by Rindermann et al:



They found that Vietnamese children scored 99 on average across several different cognitive ability tests.

It is remarkable that Vietnam, an impoverished country with a GDP per Capita of about 2000 dollars, scores as high on IQ tests as does any wealthy European country. That same Vietnam also performs decently on the International Science Olympiads.

As a typical example of Arab IQ, the Egyptian average is 89 (note Egypt’s GDP per capita is higher than Vietnam’s:



Anyways I can only do so much as lead the horse to the water sagebee - I will not reply after this.

You didn't respond to the points I've made, if the point your trying to convey is that Europeans and Asians are just genetically smarter posting country average iq stats or how a country is under performing in a field of academia doesn't prove your just innately smarter or they're just dumber.

If you think that's empirically the case then give me hard data showing it's just due to people's genetics and not a social issue.
 

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Ultimately it doesn’t matter to the scientific enterprise what irrelevant nations that have little ability for science in general decide to teach their own citizens.

Evolution is an abstract concept and God has not endowed all people equal powers of abstract reasoning. To understand natural selection, an evolutionary algorithm, probably requires the cognitive ability an average European or East Asian possesses.

To understand the mathematical basis of evolution, population genetics, requires ability requisite to completing a rigorous undergraduate mathematics curriculum - in the UK population genetics is a 3rd year course on a maths degree even in the top universities (it’s a rather dense subject) which means that your average biologist doesn’t have the talent required to understand it, either. This is ability at about 2 standard deviations of the European mean, i.e. the top 2% or so of Europeans and East Asians.

The people who push the frontiers of biology forward today are a much, much rarer breed of talent, still.

A few decades ago Harvard Psychologist Anne Roe conducted a psychometric study of the eminent scientists of her day, included in her study were such biologists as Sewall Wright one of the fathers of population genetics, and found that on average those guys were 4 standard deviations above the European mean on cognitive ability – that is they were in the top 0.01% in terms of IQ.

I will link Michigan State University Professor of Physics Steve Hsu’s blog discussion of this study:



So what is the implication of all this?

You see, because of the way intelligence is distributed (the Gaussian distribution), even small differences in averages between groups ramifies into enormous differences at the tails. For example, if one group has a 10 point advantage in mean over another, it will in fact have a 6-fold advantage in amount of people with IQ 140+ the population sizes being kept the same, and this ratio of advantage increases the further out in the tail of the distribution we go.

As the question of “which nation or people is most likely to contribute to biology” is really a question of “which nation has the most people with IQ 160+” it therefore follows that cognitive ability and not population size (or even ideology to some extent but that is a discussion for another time) is what will be the critical factor.

In our time there is a convenient proxy question for this very question we asked above: “which countries do best in the International Biology Olympiad” for the talent required to win a medal on that competition is about 4 standard deviations above the European mean (there is a mathematical way to estimate this based on what proportion of students make it to their national teams every year but I’ll spare you those details).

The International Biology Olympiad site conveniently releases statistics on its performance every year:



As you can see, except the occasional Iranian, there are no Muslims winning medals at the International Biology Olympiad even though most Muslim countries compete in it. There are more Chinese students from Singapore who have won medals in this competition than the entire Sunni Muslim world put together, Turkey included (although I ignore the exceptional case of the north Central Asians like the Kazakhs who are racially mostly East-Asian).

Why is this?

Keeping in mind our previous discussion of the nature of the bell-curve, the fact that East-Asians have an average IQ of 105 compared to the Muslim average of in the high 80s should make the answer evident.

At the end of the day, the Muslim world does not have the mental-ability talent to do much for modern biology.

So it’s pointless worrying over whether they teach science or not as long as they keep their retarded educational policies out of the places that do matter for biology – namely the west and East-Asia (and India to some extent, too).

Remember when I said that everything you say is just made-up facts and data, and your entire posts are nothing but jargon to make you sound smart? Yeah, this is it right here.

Bell curve has been disproved by virtually everyone.

The color of your skin has nothing to do with what your intelligence will be. It's dependent on the access to education in the area you live in. Regions ravaged by war and extremism are less likely to have a proper educational system. Even in the U.S., low income districts have worse school systems than others.

You also forget to mention that Sumerians, the first known civilization (modern day Iraq) were the first to discover that the Earth was round and that other planets including Earth revolved around the sun.

You also forget to mention that the Persians were one of the few during their time to mathematically deduce an accurate estimate of the circumference of the Earth.

The Ottoman Empire was arguably the biggest superpower of its time and was feared all throughout Europe. European kings and queens would constantly ask for "Suleiman the Magnificent" support during their own wars.

Knowledge was traded and shared throughout Asian and Western countries, including China and Persia. China brought Persian scholars to expand their knowledge of astronomy, among other things.


So stay ignant and good day.
 
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I don't know why people are blaming this on Islam. Turkey has been under a dictatorship for a while and it was the decision of Erdoğan/his party. You can still be a secular christian/jew/muslim who doesn't believe in the entirety of the religion and still believe in evolution.


Evolution is an abstract concept and God has not endowed all people equal powers of abstract reasoning. To understand natural selection, an evolutionary algorithm, probably requires the cognitive ability an average European or East Asian possesses.

You don't think there's anyone in the 1.8 billion Muslim world smarter than you?

Muslims invented almost all of formal Algebra but I guess that doesn't count because "God has not endowed all"

Keeping in mind our previous discussion of the nature of the bell-curve, the fact that East-Asians have an average IQ of 105 compared to the Muslim average of in the high 80s should make the answer evident.

At the end of the day, the Muslim world does not have the mental-ability talent to do much for modern biology.

What kind of psuedo-science is this? How does it happen that a specific region is totally deprived of genes that cause intelligence? Genetic drift denies this and every respectable biologist would laugh at this. It makes little sense if not highly improbable (and is probably just something that you'd want to believe for bias).
 
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WTF are you talking about? The theory of evolution has nothing to do with the creation of the universe.

Oh, come on! I'm tired of hearing that.Your own evolutionized dupes call it cosmic evolution. What do you think, that you can get away with just starting out with the material world that has all the right "stuff" in it for your mythological origin of life to take place, while ignoring the obvious question of where that material world came from to begin with? Forget it. You're not getting away with it. Why do you think the big burp was invented? It's because they knew they had to come up with something to explain how something came from nothing in the first place.
 

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Remember when I said that everything you say is just made-up facts and data, and your entire posts are nothing but jargon to make you sound smart? Yeah, this is it right here.

Bell curve has been disproved by virtually everyone.

The color of your skin has nothing to do with what your intelligence will be. It's dependent on the access to education in the area you live in. Regions ravaged by war and extremism are less likely to have a proper educational system. Even in the U.S., low income districts have worse school systems than others.

You also forget to mention that Sumerians, the first known civilization (modern day Iraq) were the first to discover that the Earth was round and that other planets including Earth revolved around the sun.

You also forget to mention that the Persians were one of the few during their time to mathematically deduce an accurate estimate of the circumference of the Earth.

The Ottoman Empire was arguably the biggest superpower of its time and was feared all throughout Europe. European kings and queens would constantly ask for "Suleiman the Magnificent" support during their own wars.

Knowledge was traded and shared throughout Asian and Western countries, including China and Persia. China brought Persian scholars to expand their knowledge of astronomy, among other things.


So stay ignant and good day.

I showed you mercy before Lighbringer but you persist in your folly of trying to provoke me twice now – so allow me to teach you an important lesson about life, that you shouldn’t say anything of that which you are little read about.

First, I doubt you’ve read the Bell-Curve or understand its claims and don’t doubt you’re parroting made-up straw man arguments from leftist sources. Otherwise you’d understand that the Bell-Curve itself treats the question of ethnicity and race in 2 out of 22 chapters and wouldn’t have used it to broach the issue of racial differences in ability.

Now to what the scientific community itself, and not your loud and obnoxious Marxist heroes that tout their carcass of an ideology on mainstream media, think of that matter let me introduce you to “Mainstream Science on Intelligence”:



This is a statement that was published on the Wall Street Journal on 1994 on the wake of the Bell-Curve controversy, and signed by 131 researchers in the field, let me quote the pertinent statements:


1. Intelligence is a very general mental capability that, among other things, involves the ability to reason, plan, solve problems, think abstractly, comprehend complex ideas, learn quickly and learn from experience. It is not merely book learning, a narrow academic skill, or test-taking smarts. Rather, it reflects a broader and deeper capability for comprehending our surroundings--"catching on," "making sense" of things, or "figuring out" what to do.

2. Intelligence, so defined, can be measured, and intelligence tests measure it well. They are among the most accurate (in technical terms, reliable and valid) of all psychological tests and assessments. They do not measure creativity, character personality, or other important differences among individuals, nor are they intended to.

5. Intelligence tests are not culturally biased against American blacks or other native-born, English-speaking peoples in the U.S. Rather, IQ scores predict equally accurately for all such Americans, regardless of race and social class. Individuals who do not understand English well can be given either a nonverbal test or one in their native language.

7. Members of all racial-ethnic groups can be found at every IQ level. The bell curves of different groups overlap considerably, but groups often differ in where their members tend to cluster along the IQ line. The bell curves for some groups (Jews and East Asians) are centered somewhat higher than for whites in general. Other groups (blacks and Hispanics) are centered somewhat lower than non-Hispanic whites.”

What of this mainstream consensus among the scientific community today? Consider UCL Psychology Professor James Thompsons post on the matter in 2016:



“Invitations were emailed to 1237 persons and at the end only 228 (18 %) participants completed the process (70 fully and 158 partially). As far as the authors could make it out, “lefties” and “righties” turned down the offer in equal numbers, complaining that the questions were not good enough, the selection of experts would not be good or that they did not want to participate in a process which suggested that the truth could be found by majority decisions. In fact, the authors just wanted to find out what expert opinion was, in all its variety, and were not intending to come to any conclusions of a majority sort. (Perhaps climate research has poisoned the academic atmosphere, and no-one wants to be involved with anything which smacks of consensus science). As many pointed out, one good study can smash down an old consensus.

Asked: What are the sources of U.S. black-white differences in IQ?

0% of differences due to genes: (17% of our experts)
0-40% of differences due to genes: 42% of our experts
50% of differences due to genes: 18% of our experts
60-100% of differences due to genes: 39% of our experts
100% of differences due to genes: (5% of our experts)
M=47% of differences due to genes (SD=31%)”

Now let us attend to your delusions about intelligence having nothing to do with genetics. Bad news Lightbringer because as we speak, 10% of the variance in IQ scores can be predicted by polygenic scores derived from GWAS (genome-wide-association-studies, a genomic type of study where you look for associations in the genome of thousands and thousands of people with a particular phenotypic trait of interest such as height or IQ test – see I’m explaining the jargon your too lazy to look up) and this will just keep going up as sample sizes of the GWAS increases until a theoretical maximum of about 60-80% (this estimate is derived from identical twin and other classic heritability tests).

For a more thorough discussion of the classical heritability tests which I won’t discuss here refer to professor Robert Plomin’s monumental textbook “Behavioural Genetics” where dedicates several chapters to these type of studies, derives their mathematical motivation etc



On to the GWAS, here is a source you’ll have no trouble with, it’s none other than NYtimes:



In ‘Enormous Success,’ Scientists Tie 52 Genes to Human Intelligence

In a significant advance in the study of mental ability, a team of European and American scientists announced on Monday that they had identified 52 genes linked to intelligence in nearly 80,000 people…

So scientists turned to what’s now called the genome-wide association study: They sequence bits of genetic material scattered across the DNA of many unrelated people, then look to see whether people who share a particular condition — say, a high intelligence test score — also share the same genetic marker…

But in the past couple of years, larger studies relying on new statistical methods finally have produced compelling evidence that particular genes really are involved in shaping human intelligence…"

Dr James Thompson once again does us the kind favour of putting into comprehensible terms the technical work being done in his field, here he summarizes recent endeavours by Davide Piffer to analyse the frequencies of the GWAS hits for intelligence across different ethnic populations (Piffer found that the population frequencies differed in the manner we would predict from IQ scores.



“Here is my psychologist’s summary of where we are as regards the genetics of intelligence in general: 10%.

That is to say, by poking about in the genetic code researchers can find patterns in the genomes of the samples of discovery (n=100,000+) which, when tested on other independent samples (n=25,000+) account for almost 10% of the variance in intelligence. However, they don’t always have IQs available on the people in those large samples, so they use the weak proxy of years of education. However, the Sniekers et al. (2017) paper has real IQs and perhaps as a consequence has found novel genes associated with intelligence.

The various methods genetic researchers use are best explained by them and not me, but here are a few steps which I believe I understand. SNPs are personal variations in the code which make us unique. Call them exceptional quirks of coding, which would explain a great deal of why some people are so different from others, often in ways which do not seem the least bit productive to man or beast. However, if variants confer survival advantages they become more frequent in the population with each successive generation, as calculated by the breeder’s equation, and may eventually reach the entire population, in which case they are said to have achieved fixation: they are a fixed feature of the code.
In order to be sure that any feature of code is really the cause of any physical feature or behaviour, geneticists have to guard against false positives. Given that they are conducting multiple comparisons, they set their significance levels very high, compared to social psychology at least. Levels of p<.00000005 are usual. Steve Hsu argues that samples of at least n= 1,000,000 will be required to achieve stable results. Be that as it may, over the past decade the demonstrated variance in intelligence accounted for by the genetic code has risen from 0% to 1% and then by irregular steps to almost 10%. As a psychologist watching other psychologists working alongside geneticists, I doff my hat to them for their achievements. Their progress is exciting because the genetic code is causal.

Into this vast battleground of immense international armies of researchers, often several hundred to a published paper, steps the lone figure of Davide Piffer, who argues thus: if I select only those genes that are revealed as being associated with intelligence in virtually all the different published studies (call them the Perennial Reliables) then I can make up a preliminary genetic score for group intelligence. Since the genetic studies of individual intelligence have been done on Europeans, he uses those few genes to create a predictive score which is set to IQ 100, the Greenwich Mean Intelligence. The next step is so simple as to have baffled me the first time I heard Piffer present his results in May 2014. All Piffer did was to look up standard databases to see how frequent those particular intelligence genes were in non-European genetic groups. He was able to show that by this simple technique you could generate a predicted group IQ which matched the observed genetic group IQ pretty closely. For example, the Chinese had more of these genes and were brighter than Europeans, Africans had fewer and were less bright than Europeans. QED…”

Tell me now Lightbringer, how far up the arse of leftism is your head still rammed up? I don’t think any of this will make that head budge, though.
 

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So the universe can't exist out of nothing but god can?
 

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Muslims countries don't teach the evolution theory in schools because it contradicts the Quran. they think that a group of humans are the ones who transformed to monkeys because the God punished them for some reason. :/

This is the first time im hearing this, please continue
 

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So the universe can't exist out of nothing but god can?

What people that say that are trying to say is if reality has a beginning you need GOD or a conscious will to start the universe
 

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What people that say that are trying to say is if reality has a beginning you need GOD or a conscious will to start the universe

Maybe the universe is our god? Ever thought of that?
 

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Maybe the universe is our god? Ever thought of that?

I'm open to the idea so what would that actually mean, but I think it's more reasonable if reality has a beginning before space time and causality you need a consciousness to set it in motion
 

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I showed you mercy before Lighbringer but you persist in your folly of trying to provoke me twice now – so allow me to teach you an important lesson about life, that you shouldn’t say anything of that which you are little read about.

@BOLD: LMAO, you're such a poser. This isn't an anime guy. Do you actually think you sound cool?

First, I doubt you’ve read the Bell-Curve or understand its claims and don’t doubt you’re parroting made-up straw man arguments from leftist sources. Otherwise you’d understand that the Bell-Curve itself treats the question of ethnicity and race in 2 out of 22 chapters and wouldn’t have used it to broach the issue of racial differences in ability.

Now to what the scientific community itself, and not your loud and obnoxious Marxist heroes that tout their carcass of an ideology on mainstream media, think of that matter let me introduce you to “Mainstream Science on Intelligence”:



This is a statement that was published on the Wall Street Journal on 1994 on the wake of the Bell-Curve controversy, and signed by 131 researchers in the field, let me quote the pertinent statements:


1. Intelligence is a very general mental capability that, among other things, involves the ability to reason, plan, solve problems, think abstractly, comprehend complex ideas, learn quickly and learn from experience. It is not merely book learning, a narrow academic skill, or test-taking smarts. Rather, it reflects a broader and deeper capability for comprehending our surroundings--"catching on," "making sense" of things, or "figuring out" what to do.

2. Intelligence, so defined, can be measured, and intelligence tests measure it well. They are among the most accurate (in technical terms, reliable and valid) of all psychological tests and assessments. They do not measure creativity, character personality, or other important differences among individuals, nor are they intended to.

5. Intelligence tests are not culturally biased against American blacks or other native-born, English-speaking peoples in the U.S. Rather, IQ scores predict equally accurately for all such Americans, regardless of race and social class. Individuals who do not understand English well can be given either a nonverbal test or one in their native language.

7. Members of all racial-ethnic groups can be found at every IQ level. The bell curves of different groups overlap considerably, but groups often differ in where their members tend to cluster along the IQ line. The bell curves for some groups (Jews and East Asians) are centered somewhat higher than for whites in general. Other groups (blacks and Hispanics) are centered somewhat lower than non-Hispanic whites.”
What of this mainstream consensus among the scientific community today? Consider UCL Psychology Professor James Thompsons post on the matter in 2016:



“Invitations were emailed to 1237 persons and at the end only 228 (18 %) participants completed the process (70 fully and 158 partially). As far as the authors could make it out, “lefties” and “righties” turned down the offer in equal numbers, complaining that the questions were not good enough, the selection of experts would not be good or that they did not want to participate in a process which suggested that the truth could be found by majority decisions. In fact, the authors just wanted to find out what expert opinion was, in all its variety, and were not intending to come to any conclusions of a majority sort. (Perhaps climate research has poisoned the academic atmosphere, and no-one wants to be involved with anything which smacks of consensus science). As many pointed out, one good study can smash down an old consensus.

Asked: What are the sources of U.S. black-white differences in IQ?

0% of differences due to genes: (17% of our experts)
0-40% of differences due to genes: 42% of our experts
50% of differences due to genes: 18% of our experts
60-100% of differences due to genes: 39% of our experts
100% of differences due to genes: (5% of our experts)
M=47% of differences due to genes (SD=31%)”

You're using IQ to justify determining intelligence.



"The problem with IQ tests is not simply the question of cultural bias (which is the only issue with these tests that Richwine addresses — and dismisses — in Politico.) It is also that one’s entire life history up to the point that one takes the test can sharpen or blunt the overall intellectual potential that is only partly defined by one’s innate genetic map. Richwine’s faith in the objectivity of IQ tests as a measure of innate capacity fails to take into account the disproportionality of opportunity for learning and intellectual stimulation between privileged and historically oppressed groups, and the effect that this has on IQ scores. It also neglects the psychological damage inflicted on lives lived within a racial caste system.

Richwine believes that good science is being undermined by ignorant and politically correct views about race in the press and among the public. His examples of solid sober objective scientists who were pilloried in the know-nothing media would be hilarious if they weren’t so chilling. First up: Mark Snyderman and Stanley Rothman and their 1987 book The IQ Controversy. Richwine claims that Snyderman and Rothman documented a broad consensus among scientists that racial disparities in IQ test performance were due to innate genetic differences; but if you look at their methodology, two things are pretty clear: the scientists were simply choosing the response option that best fits the evidence (which is that both genetics and life experience play a role in intelligence); and that the questions were, consciously or unconsciously, crafted in such a way as to yield a reply that would fit a racialist theory.

Next, Richwine actually goes to those heroes of modern racialism, Richard Herrnstein and Charles Murray, and their pseudoscientific 1994 book The Bell Curve. If you looked no further, you wouldn’t know that much of the research cited in that book was primarily supported by The Pioneer Fund, a reportedly neo-Nazi organization devoted to eugenics, whose founder, Wickliff Draper, was an advocate for sending American blacks back to Africa. You wouldn’t know that Charles Murray is revered only on the far-right fringe of social science; to many other scholars, he’s a crackpot who’s been blaming the poor, and egalitarian social policies towards the poor, for American social decline for decades. He also claims to have discovered a system for ranking innate creativity that is completely free of personal preference or cultural bias (a system that, according to him, proves that Beethoven was “objectively” more accomplished than Mozart; using this infallible system he found — surprise! — that virtually everything of importance in world history was accomplished by white European males). You wouldn’t know that the “science” of The Bell Curve has been thoroughly debunked by real biologists and social scientists, most notably here and here and here and here, but in many other venues and publications as well."



Books that debunk Bell-Curve thoroughly:

Intelligence, Genes, and Success: Scientists Respond to The Bell Curve


-Bernie Devlin is Adjunct Professor in the Department of Statistics at Carnegie-Mellon University. He serves on the DNA Advisory Board to the Federal Bureau of Investigation Director regarding standards for forensic DNA testing laboratories, and the National Forensic Review Panel for the National Institute of Justice regarding the performance of proficiency tests.

Stephen E. Fienberg is Maurice Falk Professor of Statistics and Social Science at Carnegie-Mellon University and a fellow of the American Association for the Advancement of Science and the American Statistical Association.

Daniel P. Resnick is Professor of History at Carnegie-Mellon University. His research deals with the relationship of historical thinking and experience to public policy development.

Kathryn Roeder is Associate Professor of Statistics, Carnegie-Mellon University. She has a strong research interest in applied problems including statistical genetics, DNA forensic inference and criminology.


"Herrnstein and Murray use the fact that for a small portion (n=1408) of the NLSY sample, IQ scores at earlier ages are available from school records, along with a score on the AFQT test and a measure of educational attainment in 1980, the time at which the AFQT was taken. They are thus able to estimate a model of the form in Figure 10.1 for a subsample of the NLSY. This approach is very simple. It might be desirable to have a more detailed model that could capture the dynamic evolution with age of IQ and education attainment."



"Technical Corrections

We found it difficult to replicate Herrnstein and Murray's results. There were two problems. First, Herrnstein and Murray did not include age at which the first test was taken as a control variable in their analysis, contrary to the statement in page 590. Murray (personal communication) stated that it was unnecessary to control for age at first test because both the initial and AFQT test scores were age standardized. We return to this issue later and explain in detail why we disagree with Murray. Here we simply investigate the effects of including age at first test model.

The second problem we identified is that Herrnstein and Murray had improperly handled missing data in their original analysis. This was independently discovered by Murray."



The Black-White Test Score Gap

Christopher Jencks
Christopher Jencks is the Malcolm Wiener Professor of Social Policy at Harvard's John F. Kennedy School of Government, the author of The Homeless (Harvard, 1994) and Rethinking Social Policy: Race, Poverty, and the Underclass (Harperperennial, 1993), and the coeditor of The Urban Underclass (Brookings, 1991).
Meredith Phillips
Meredith Phillips is assistant professor of policy studies at UCLA's School of Public Policy and Social Research.


Finally, they call for large-scale experiments to determine the effects of schools’ racial mix, class size, ability grouping, and other policies. In addition to the editors, the contributors include Claude Steele, Ronald Ferguson, William G. Bowen, Philip Cook, and William Julius Wilson.

"Psychologists can only measure people's developed for intelligent behavior, not their innate potential. As often happens in the social sciences, psychologists tend to assume that what they can measure defines the word they use to describe it. This convention works well enough when psychologists talk to one another, but it creates endless misunderstandings when they try to communicate it to the rest of the world, where intelligence can still mean either innate or developed intelligence. Such misunderstandings are especially common (and dangerous) when they involve racial comparisons. The following logic summarizes the way many nonpsychologists think about race and intelligence.

-if intelligence means innate ability to learn
-and if blacks and whites have the same innate ability to learn,
-and if blacks score below whites on tests that claim to measure intelligence,
-then intelligence tests must be biased against blacks.

This logic makes it clear not only why blacks think that intelligence test are culturally biased, but also why they object to endless repetition of the fact that they score below whites on such tests.

The case of Larry P. v Riles provides a dramatic illustration of the problems that can arise when psychologists who equate intelligence with developed ability confront nonpsychogolists who equate intelligence with innate ability. In 1971 a group of black plaintiffs sued the San Francisco Unified School District in a federal court, arguing that IQ scores should not be used as a criterion for assigning black students to special classes for the "educably mentally retarded" (EMR). Judge Robert Perkham issued a preliminary injunction barring the use of IQ tests for this purpose in 1972, and he extended it to cover all California schools in 1974. Five year later, after a lengthy trial, he made the injunction permanent. Perkham's injunction was based on his findings that intelligence tests are culturally biased against blacks. He seems to have concluded that if a test both claimed to measure intelligence and was used to label children, it ought to measure innate rather than developed ability. He also believed that blacks and whites had the same innate ability. He therefore inferred that intelligence tests must be biased against blacks."




The Mismeasure of Man


Stephen Jay Gould (1941-2002) was the Alexander Agassiz Professor of Zoology and Professor of Geology at Harvard University. He published over twenty books, received the National Book and National Book Critics Circle Awards, and a MacArthur Fellowship.







Bell Curve is nothing but rightest propaganda.



The notion that IQ tests are completely useless never prevailed in liberal academia to nearly the extent that Herrnstein and Murray say. A more accurate rendering of the liberal position would be that rather than a single "general intelligence," there are a handful of crucial--and separate--mental abilities; that none of these abilities is important enough to obviate the role of family background and education; and that native ability (and economic success independent of native ability) can be enhanced by improving education, training, and public health. The Bell Curve refers in passing to some of these points, but on the whole it sets up a cartoon-left position as its (easy) target. Meanwhile, the psychometricians who dominate the footnotes of The Bell Curve are John Hunter, Arthur Jensen, Malcolm Ree, and Frank Schmidt. These men are well known within the field as representing its right wing, not a mainstream consensus.



"But the larger premise--that intelligent people used to be scattered throughout the class structure, and are now concentrated at the top--is almost impossible to prove, simply because the mass administration of mental tests is such a recent phenomenon. High scorers on mental tests do "bunch up" (as Herrnstein and Murray put it) in elite-university student bodies. But this is tautological: Any group selected on the basis of scores on mental tests will be composed disproportionately of people who score high on mental tests. Proving The Bell Curve's thesis would require proving that success increasingly correlates with IQ in areas of life where mental tests are not the explicit gatekeepers. To see how The Bell Curve tries and fails to get around these inherent problems, see and.
Having conditioned its audience to view IQ as all-important, The Bell Curve then manipulates statistics in a way that makes IQ look bigger, and everything else smaller, in determining Americans' life-chances.
The basic tool of statistical social science in general, and of The Bell Curve in particular, is regression analysis, a technique used to assign weights to various factors (called "independent variables") in determining a final outcome (called the "dependent variable"). The original statistical work in The Bell Curve consists of regression analyses on a database called the National Longitudinal Study of Youth. The authors claim to demonstrate that high IQ is more predictive of economic success than any other factor, and that low IQ is more predictive of poverty and social breakdown. Virtually all the early commentators on The Bell Curve were unable to assess the merits of the regression analysis. "I am not a scientist. I know nothing about psychometrics," wrote Leon Wieseltier (who was otherwise quite critical) in a typical disclaimer.

But by now the statistics have been gone over by professionals, who have come up with different results. The key points of their critique of The Bell Curve are as follows:
What Herrnstein and Murray used to measure IQ is actually a measure of education as well as intelligence. All the people tracked in the National Longitudinal Study of Youth took the Armed Forces Qualifying Test, which Herrnstein and Murray treat as a good measure of intelligence. Because the material covered in the test includes subjects like trigonometry, many academic critics of The Bell Curve have objected to its use as a measure only of IQ and not at all of academic achievement. Herrnstein and Murray concede in the footnotes that scores tend to rise with the subjects' education--but they seriously underestimate the magnitude of this rise, as shows. And they resist the obvious inference that the test scores are measuring something other than intelligence."





Now let us attend to your delusions about intelligence having nothing to do with genetics. Bad news Lightbringer because as we speak, 10% of the variance in IQ scores can be predicted by polygenic scores derived from GWAS (genome-wide-association-studies, a genomic type of study where you look for associations in the genome of thousands and thousands of people with a particular phenotypic trait of interest such as height or IQ test – see I’m explaining the jargon your too lazy to look up) and this will just keep going up as sample sizes of the GWAS increases until a theoretical maximum of about 60-80% (this estimate is derived from identical twin and other classic heritability tests).

For a more thorough discussion of the classical heritability tests which I won’t discuss here refer to professor Robert Plomin’s monumental textbook “Behavioural Genetics” where dedicates several chapters to these type of studies, derives their mathematical motivation etc



[On to the GWAS, here is a source you’ll have no trouble with, it’s none other than NYtimes:



In ‘Enormous Success,’ Scientists Tie 52 Genes to Human Intelligence

In a significant advance in the study of mental ability, a team of European and American scientists announced on Monday that they had identified 52 genes linked to intelligence in nearly 80,000 people…

So scientists turned to what’s now called the genome-wide association study: They sequence bits of genetic material scattered across the DNA of many unrelated people, then look to see whether people who share a particular condition — say, a high intelligence test score — also share the same genetic marker…

But in the past couple of years, larger studies relying on new statistical methods finally have produced compelling evidence that particular genes really are involved in shaping human intelligence…"

HAHAHA I never said genetics had nothing to do with intelligence, I said the color of your skin had nothing to do with intelligence.

Nothing in this section has anything to do with what I've said. Learn to read brate.

Stay ignant.



Dr James Thompson once again does us the kind favour of putting into comprehensible terms the technical work being done in his field, here he summarizes recent endeavours by Davide Piffer to analyse the frequencies of the GWAS hits for intelligence across different ethnic populations (Piffer found that the population frequencies differed in the manner we would predict from IQ scores.



“Here is my psychologist’s summary of where we are as regards the genetics of intelligence in general: 10%.

That is to say, by poking about in the genetic code researchers can find patterns in the genomes of the samples of discovery (n=100,000+) which, when tested on other independent samples (n=25,000+) account for almost 10% of the variance in intelligence. However, they don’t always have IQs available on the people in those large samples, so they use the weak proxy of years of education. However, the Sniekers et al. (2017) paper has real IQs and perhaps as a consequence has found novel genes associated with intelligence.

The various methods genetic researchers use are best explained by them and not me, but here are a few steps which I believe I understand. SNPs are personal variations in the code which make us unique. Call them exceptional quirks of coding, which would explain a great deal of why some people are so different from others, often in ways which do not seem the least bit productive to man or beast. However, if variants confer survival advantages they become more frequent in the population with each successive generation, as calculated by the breeder’s equation, and may eventually reach the entire population, in which case they are said to have achieved fixation: they are a fixed feature of the code.
In order to be sure that any feature of code is really the cause of any physical feature or behaviour, geneticists have to guard against false positives. Given that they are conducting multiple comparisons, they set their significance levels very high, compared to social psychology at least. Levels of p<.00000005 are usual. Steve Hsu argues that samples of at least n= 1,000,000 will be required to achieve stable results. Be that as it may, over the past decade the demonstrated variance in intelligence accounted for by the genetic code has risen from 0% to 1% and then by irregular steps to almost 10%. As a psychologist watching other psychologists working alongside geneticists, I doff my hat to them for their achievements. Their progress is exciting because the genetic code is causal.

Into this vast battleground of immense international armies of researchers, often several hundred to a published paper, steps the lone figure of Davide Piffer, who argues thus: if I select only those genes that are revealed as being associated with intelligence in virtually all the different published studies (call them the Perennial Reliables) then I can make up a preliminary genetic score for group intelligence. Since the genetic studies of individual intelligence have been done on Europeans, he uses those few genes to create a predictive score which is set to IQ 100, the Greenwich Mean Intelligence. The next step is so simple as to have baffled me the first time I heard Piffer present his results in May 2014. All Piffer did was to look up standard databases to see how frequent those particular intelligence genes were in non-European genetic groups. He was able to show that by this simple technique you could generate a predicted group IQ which matched the observed genetic group IQ pretty closely. For example, the Chinese had more of these genes and were brighter than Europeans, Africans had fewer and were less bright than Europeans. QED…”

Tell me now Lightbringer, how far up the arse of leftism is your head still rammed up? I don’t think any of this will make that head budge, though.


More about the book "Mismeasure of Man":




"The idea that intellect had something to do with cranial capacity was – and to some people, still is – an attractive one, and generations of researchers tried to find new ways to measure brain size and shape, and match it with apparent intellectual performance. These experiments tended to prove that white people were cleverer than black people because they were bigger-brained.

In The Mismeasure of Man, Gould revealed that they could only prove this by massaging the results, cooking the data, and eliminating the unwelcome findings. One researcher found that German brains, on average, weighed 100 grams more than French brains. He was, of course, German. Measurements also produced inconsistencies: some Caucasian geniuses had very big brains, other intellectual giants had a quite modest cranial capacity.

So the anthropologists, anatomists and pioneer psychologists started looking for other things. They tried to grade the intellectual status of men, apes and women; of Nordic, Slavic and Mediterranean races; of long-headed and broad-headed peoples; they graded them according to the average distance between penis and navel, on the closeness of their eyes, on the lowness of their foreheads.

Then they began looking for ways to quantify the intellectual performance of different national and ethnic groups: and came up with bizarre results, which ought to have eliminated discrimination purely on the grounds of colour or race but somehow did not. In the early 20th century HH Goddard tried out his intelligence tests on new migrants and found, says Gould, that "83% of the Jews, 80% of the Hungarians, 79% of the Italians and 87% of the Russians were feeble-minded."


Robert Yerkes, another scientist still honoured among US researchers, tested military recruits and produced data that seemed to show that the mental age of the average white American was "about 13 years". Yerkes' tests suggested that the group whose intellects were below this average of 13 years included "37% of whites and 89% of negroes". This extra-low mental age did not disqualify black people from the Army because, said Yerkes, all officers seemed to agree "that the negro is a cheerful willing soldier, naturally subservient".

And so the whole, sorry, miserable story continues. These transparently silly and shameful "findings" were used to justify racial segregation in the American south, and to limit black youngsters' access to higher education. These limits, constraints and segregation laws continued well into the second half of the 20th century – well into Gould's lifetime, and mine.

This book should make any sensible person wary of attaching too much value to IQ tests (there's some glorious stuff on the quixotic allotment of IQ ratings) and should make anybody very suspicious of statements about "group IQ" or the presumption that some races are innately more clever than others. If we all got it so shockingly wrong 150 and 100 years ago, and even 50 years ago, then why would we have got it right now?


[video=youtube;8wcSSLo9TIs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wcSSLo9TIs&ab_channel=betapicts[/video]








Ahem, sit the f*ck down poser boy.


Good day.
 
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@BOLD: LMAO, you're such a poser. This isn't an anime guy. Do you actually think you sound cool?



You're using IQ to justify determining intelligence.



"The problem with IQ tests is not simply the question of cultural bias (which is the only issue with these tests that Richwine addresses — and dismisses — in Politico.) It is also that one’s entire life history up to the point that one takes the test can sharpen or blunt the overall intellectual potential that is only partly defined by one’s innate genetic map. Richwine’s faith in the objectivity of IQ tests as a measure of innate capacity fails to take into account the disproportionality of opportunity for learning and intellectual stimulation between privileged and historically oppressed groups, and the effect that this has on IQ scores. It also neglects the psychological damage inflicted on lives lived within a racial caste system.

Richwine believes that good science is being undermined by ignorant and politically correct views about race in the press and among the public. His examples of solid sober objective scientists who were pilloried in the know-nothing media would be hilarious if they weren’t so chilling. First up: Mark Snyderman and Stanley Rothman and their 1987 book The IQ Controversy. Richwine claims that Snyderman and Rothman documented a broad consensus among scientists that racial disparities in IQ test performance were due to innate genetic differences; but if you look at their methodology, two things are pretty clear: the scientists were simply choosing the response option that best fits the evidence (which is that both genetics and life experience play a role in intelligence); and that the questions were, consciously or unconsciously, crafted in such a way as to yield a reply that would fit a racialist theory.

Next, Richwine actually goes to those heroes of modern racialism, Richard Herrnstein and Charles Murray, and their pseudoscientific 1994 book The Bell Curve. If you looked no further, you wouldn’t know that much of the research cited in that book was primarily supported by The Pioneer Fund, a reportedly neo-Nazi organization devoted to eugenics, whose founder, Wickliff Draper, was an advocate for sending American blacks back to Africa. You wouldn’t know that Charles Murray is revered only on the far-right fringe of social science; to many other scholars, he’s a crackpot who’s been blaming the poor, and egalitarian social policies towards the poor, for American social decline for decades. He also claims to have discovered a system for ranking innate creativity that is completely free of personal preference or cultural bias (a system that, according to him, proves that Beethoven was “objectively” more accomplished than Mozart; using this infallible system he found — surprise! — that virtually everything of importance in world history was accomplished by white European males). You wouldn’t know that the “science” of The Bell Curve has been thoroughly debunked by real biologists and social scientists, most notably here and here and here and here, but in many other venues and publications as well."



Books that debunk Bell-Curve thoroughly:

Intelligence, Genes, and Success: Scientists Respond to The Bell Curve


-Bernie Devlin is Adjunct Professor in the Department of Statistics at Carnegie-Mellon University. He serves on the DNA Advisory Board to the Federal Bureau of Investigation Director regarding standards for forensic DNA testing laboratories, and the National Forensic Review Panel for the National Institute of Justice regarding the performance of proficiency tests.

Stephen E. Fienberg is Maurice Falk Professor of Statistics and Social Science at Carnegie-Mellon University and a fellow of the American Association for the Advancement of Science and the American Statistical Association.

Daniel P. Resnick is Professor of History at Carnegie-Mellon University. His research deals with the relationship of historical thinking and experience to public policy development.

Kathryn Roeder is Associate Professor of Statistics, Carnegie-Mellon University. She has a strong research interest in applied problems including statistical genetics, DNA forensic inference and criminology.


"Herrnstein and Murray use the fact that for a small portion (n=1408) of the NLSY sample, IQ scores at earlier ages are available from school records, along with a score on the AFQT test and a measure of educational attainment in 1980, the time at which the AFQT was taken. They are thus able to estimate a model of the form in Figure 10.1 for a subsample of the NLSY. This approach is very simple. It might be desirable to have a more detailed model that could capture the dynamic evolution with age of IQ and education attainment."



"Technical Corrections

We found it difficult to replicate Herrnstein and Murray's results. There were two problems. First, Herrnstein and Murray did not include age at which the first test was taken as a control variable in their analysis, contrary to the statement in page 590. Murray (personal communication) stated that it was unnecessary to control for age at first test because both the initial and AFQT test scores were age standardized. We return to this issue later and explain in detail why we disagree with Murray. Here we simply investigate the effects of including age at first test model.

The second problem we identified is that Herrnstein and Murray had improperly handled missing data in their original analysis. This was independently discovered by Murray."



The Black-White Test Score Gap

Christopher Jencks
Christopher Jencks is the Malcolm Wiener Professor of Social Policy at Harvard's John F. Kennedy School of Government, the author of The Homeless (Harvard, 1994) and Rethinking Social Policy: Race, Poverty, and the Underclass (Harperperennial, 1993), and the coeditor of The Urban Underclass (Brookings, 1991).
Meredith Phillips
Meredith Phillips is assistant professor of policy studies at UCLA's School of Public Policy and Social Research.


Finally, they call for large-scale experiments to determine the effects of schools’ racial mix, class size, ability grouping, and other policies. In addition to the editors, the contributors include Claude Steele, Ronald Ferguson, William G. Bowen, Philip Cook, and William Julius Wilson.

"Psychologists can only measure people's developed for intelligent behavior, not their innate potential. As often happens in the social sciences, psychologists tend to assume that what they can measure defines the word they use to describe it. This convention works well enough when psychologists talk to one another, but it creates endless misunderstandings when they try to communicate it to the rest of the world, where intelligence can still mean either innate or developed intelligence. Such misunderstandings are especially common (and dangerous) when they involve racial comparisons. The following logic summarizes the way many nonpsychologists think about race and intelligence.

-if intelligence means innate ability to learn
-and if blacks and whites have the same innate ability to learn,
-and if blacks score below whites on tests that claim to measure intelligence,
-then intelligence tests must be biased against blacks.

This logic makes it clear not only why blacks think that intelligence test are culturally biased, but also why they object to endless repetition of the fact that they score below whites on such tests.

The case of Larry P. v Riles provides a dramatic illustration of the problems that can arise when psychologists who equate intelligence with developed ability confront nonpsychogolists who equate intelligence with innate ability. In 1971 a group of black plaintiffs sued the San Francisco Unified School District in a federal court, arguing that IQ scores should not be used as a criterion for assigning black students to special classes for the "educably mentally retarded" (EMR). Judge Robert Perkham issued a preliminary injunction barring the use of IQ tests for this purpose in 1972, and he extended it to cover all California schools in 1974. Five year later, after a lengthy trial, he made the injunction permanent. Perkham's injunction was based on his findings that intelligence tests are culturally biased against blacks. He seems to have concluded that if a test both claimed to measure intelligence and was used to label children, it ought to measure innate rather than developed ability. He also believed that blacks and whites had the same innate ability. He therefore inferred that intelligence tests must be biased against blacks."




The Mismeasure of Man


Stephen Jay Gould (1941-2002) was the Alexander Agassiz Professor of Zoology and Professor of Geology at Harvard University. He published over twenty books, received the National Book and National Book Critics Circle Awards, and a MacArthur Fellowship.







Bell Curve is nothing but rightest propaganda.



The notion that IQ tests are completely useless never prevailed in liberal academia to nearly the extent that Herrnstein and Murray say. A more accurate rendering of the liberal position would be that rather than a single "general intelligence," there are a handful of crucial--and separate--mental abilities; that none of these abilities is important enough to obviate the role of family background and education; and that native ability (and economic success independent of native ability) can be enhanced by improving education, training, and public health. The Bell Curve refers in passing to some of these points, but on the whole it sets up a cartoon-left position as its (easy) target. Meanwhile, the psychometricians who dominate the footnotes of The Bell Curve are John Hunter, Arthur Jensen, Malcolm Ree, and Frank Schmidt. These men are well known within the field as representing its right wing, not a mainstream consensus.



"But the larger premise--that intelligent people used to be scattered throughout the class structure, and are now concentrated at the top--is almost impossible to prove, simply because the mass administration of mental tests is such a recent phenomenon. High scorers on mental tests do "bunch up" (as Herrnstein and Murray put it) in elite-university student bodies. But this is tautological: Any group selected on the basis of scores on mental tests will be composed disproportionately of people who score high on mental tests. Proving The Bell Curve's thesis would require proving that success increasingly correlates with IQ in areas of life where mental tests are not the explicit gatekeepers. To see how The Bell Curve tries and fails to get around these inherent problems, see and.
Having conditioned its audience to view IQ as all-important, The Bell Curve then manipulates statistics in a way that makes IQ look bigger, and everything else smaller, in determining Americans' life-chances.
The basic tool of statistical social science in general, and of The Bell Curve in particular, is regression analysis, a technique used to assign weights to various factors (called "independent variables") in determining a final outcome (called the "dependent variable"). The original statistical work in The Bell Curve consists of regression analyses on a database called the National Longitudinal Study of Youth. The authors claim to demonstrate that high IQ is more predictive of economic success than any other factor, and that low IQ is more predictive of poverty and social breakdown. Virtually all the early commentators on The Bell Curve were unable to assess the merits of the regression analysis. "I am not a scientist. I know nothing about psychometrics," wrote Leon Wieseltier (who was otherwise quite critical) in a typical disclaimer.

But by now the statistics have been gone over by professionals, who have come up with different results. The key points of their critique of The Bell Curve are as follows:
What Herrnstein and Murray used to measure IQ is actually a measure of education as well as intelligence. All the people tracked in the National Longitudinal Study of Youth took the Armed Forces Qualifying Test, which Herrnstein and Murray treat as a good measure of intelligence. Because the material covered in the test includes subjects like trigonometry, many academic critics of The Bell Curve have objected to its use as a measure only of IQ and not at all of academic achievement. Herrnstein and Murray concede in the footnotes that scores tend to rise with the subjects' education--but they seriously underestimate the magnitude of this rise, as shows. And they resist the obvious inference that the test scores are measuring something other than intelligence."








More about the book "Mismeasure of Man":




"The idea that intellect had something to do with cranial capacity was – and to some people, still is – an attractive one, and generations of researchers tried to find new ways to measure brain size and shape, and match it with apparent intellectual performance. These experiments tended to prove that white people were cleverer than black people because they were bigger-brained.

In The Mismeasure of Man, Gould revealed that they could only prove this by massaging the results, cooking the data, and eliminating the unwelcome findings. One researcher found that German brains, on average, weighed 100 grams more than French brains. He was, of course, German. Measurements also produced inconsistencies: some Caucasian geniuses had very big brains, other intellectual giants had a quite modest cranial capacity.

So the anthropologists, anatomists and pioneer psychologists started looking for other things. They tried to grade the intellectual status of men, apes and women; of Nordic, Slavic and Mediterranean races; of long-headed and broad-headed peoples; they graded them according to the average distance between penis and navel, on the closeness of their eyes, on the lowness of their foreheads.

Then they began looking for ways to quantify the intellectual performance of different national and ethnic groups: and came up with bizarre results, which ought to have eliminated discrimination purely on the grounds of colour or race but somehow did not. In the early 20th century HH Goddard tried out his intelligence tests on new migrants and found, says Gould, that "83% of the Jews, 80% of the Hungarians, 79% of the Italians and 87% of the Russians were feeble-minded."


Robert Yerkes, another scientist still honoured among US researchers, tested military recruits and produced data that seemed to show that the mental age of the average white American was "about 13 years". Yerkes' tests suggested that the group whose intellects were below this average of 13 years included "37% of whites and 89% of negroes". This extra-low mental age did not disqualify black people from the Army because, said Yerkes, all officers seemed to agree "that the negro is a cheerful willing soldier, naturally subservient".

And so the whole, sorry, miserable story continues. These transparently silly and shameful "findings" were used to justify racial segregation in the American south, and to limit black youngsters' access to higher education. These limits, constraints and segregation laws continued well into the second half of the 20th century – well into Gould's lifetime, and mine.

This book should make any sensible person wary of attaching too much value to IQ tests (there's some glorious stuff on the quixotic allotment of IQ ratings) and should make anybody very suspicious of statements about "group IQ" or the presumption that some races are innately more clever than others. If we all got it so shockingly wrong 150 and 100 years ago, and even 50 years ago, then why would we have got it right now?


[video=youtube;8wcSSLo9TIs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wcSSLo9TIs&ab_channel=betapicts[/video]








Ahem, sit the f*ck down poser boy.


Good day.

Also to add the sources he posted contradict that genetics solely dictates intelligence and nothing he posted shows empirical evidence of certain ethnicities being genetically smarter.
 

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Correct me if I'm wrong but from an atheistic point of view, isn't it likely that race plays at least a tiny role in intelligence? Since, intelligence is genetics.
 
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