Turkey will stop teaching evolution

[Our Lord Sasuke]

It seems that someone doesn't want to learn about evolution

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[Lyke]

bcoz turkey = moslim country and moslimz dont believe in teh evolution theory.......

PS:: it says tat teh evolution theory should only b tought @ teh university bcoz it is soloing teh kidz mindz wit complicated $hit and interferes wit teh religion

 

[Belserion]

HOLY SHIT

That's like denying simple math

 

[Mori Jin]

Because it's bullshit.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Because it bullshit.

And some magic sky daddy creating the Earth 6000 years ago isn't bullshit?

 

[Uchihaa Sasuke]

What do you expect from a country ruled by the radical Muslim Brotherhood except heading straight back to the middle ages ?

 

[Sagebee]

The article is unclear for what age ranges they are talking about removing it from the curriculum it seems the reason is that they think they're to young to be able to critically think on the issue. Can't make to much of an opinion since I don't know what their doing.

But nothing in Islam has an issue with evolution itself they have issue with human evolution, if they our out right taking it out the curruculum for all levels of education I do think it's wrong.

 

[Hakke]

Muslims countries don't teach the evolution theory in schools because it contradicts the Quran. they think that a group of humans are the ones who transformed to monkeys because the God punished them for some reason. :/

 

[Belserion]

Muslims countries don't teach the evolution theory in schools because it contradicts the Quran. they think that a group of humans are the ones who transformed to monkeys because the God punished them for some reason. :/

Totally legit.

 

[BLAZE]

and i thought education system in my country was shit

 

[Sagebee]

Muslims countries don't teach the evolution theory in schools because it contradicts the Quran. they think that a group of humans are the ones who transformed to monkeys because the God punished them for some reason. :/

That part has nothing to Muslim creation story that last part has to do with a separate story of a punishment for a certain group of children of israel. And in both stories these are considered miracles and are just matters of belief.

 

[chopstickchakra]

HOLY SHIT

That's like denying simple math

You mean like common core mathematics.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

In Canada you only learn it in biology and that's only if you take it in grade 11 or 12 which people only do if they feel they need it for university.

 

[Narushima]

Ultimately it doesn’t matter to the scientific enterprise what irrelevant nations that have little ability for science in general decide to teach their own citizens.

Evolution is an abstract concept and God has not endowed all people equal powers of abstract reasoning. To understand natural selection, an evolutionary algorithm, probably requires the cognitive ability an average European or East Asian possesses.

To understand the mathematical basis of evolution, population genetics, requires ability requisite to completing a rigorous undergraduate mathematics curriculum - in the UK population genetics is a 3rd year course on a maths degree even in the top universities (it’s a rather dense subject) which means that your average biologist doesn’t have the talent required to understand it, either. This is ability at about 2 standard deviations of the European mean, i.e. the top 2% or so of Europeans and East Asians.

The people who push the frontiers of biology forward today are a much, much rarer breed of talent, still.

A few decades ago Harvard Psychologist Anne Roe conducted a psychometric study of the eminent scientists of her day, included in her study were such biologists as Sewall Wright one of the fathers of population genetics, and found that on average those guys were 4 standard deviations above the European mean on cognitive ability – that is they were in the top 0.01% in terms of IQ.

I will link Michigan State University Professor of Physics Steve Hsu’s blog discussion of this study:

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So what is the implication of all this?

You see, because of the way intelligence is distributed (the Gaussian distribution), even small differences in averages between groups ramifies into enormous differences at the tails. For example, if one group has a 10 point advantage in mean over another, it will in fact have a 6-fold advantage in amount of people with IQ 140+ the population sizes being kept the same, and this ratio of advantage increases the further out in the tail of the distribution we go.

As the question of “which nation or people is most likely to contribute to biology” is really a question of “which nation has the most people with IQ 160+” it therefore follows that cognitive ability and not population size (or even ideology to some extent but that is a discussion for another time) is what will be the critical factor.

In our time there is a convenient proxy question for this very question we asked above: “which countries do best in the International Biology Olympiad” for the talent required to win a medal on that competition is about 4 standard deviations above the European mean (there is a mathematical way to estimate this based on what proportion of students make it to their national teams every year but I’ll spare you those details).

The International Biology Olympiad site conveniently releases statistics on its performance every year:

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As you can see, except the occasional Iranian, there are no Muslims winning medals at the International Biology Olympiad even though most Muslim countries compete in it. There are more Chinese students from Singapore who have won medals in this competition than the entire Sunni Muslim world put together, Turkey included (although I ignore the exceptional case of the north Central Asians like the Kazakhs who are racially mostly East-Asian).

Why is this?

Keeping in mind our previous discussion of the nature of the bell-curve, the fact that East-Asians have an average IQ of 105 compared to the Muslim average of in the high 80s should make the answer evident.

At the end of the day, the Muslim world does not have the mental-ability talent to do much for modern biology.

So it’s pointless worrying over whether they teach science or not as long as they keep their retarded educational policies out of the places that do matter for biology – namely the west and East-Asia (and India to some extent, too).

 

[Cohle]

Because it bullshit.

And some magic sky daddy creating the Earth 6000 years ago isn't bullshit?

In a nutshell.

 

[lagala]

Believing in evolution from nothing to everything is a religion, has nothing to do with science.

 

[Our Lord Sasuke]

Believing in evolution from nothing to everything is a religion, has nothing to do with science.

You have a proof that nothing really exist?

 

[Sagebee]

Ultimately it doesn’t matter to the scientific enterprise what irrelevant nations that have little ability for science in general decide to teach their own citizens.

Evolution is an abstract concept and God has not endowed all people equal powers of abstract reasoning. To understand natural selection, an evolutionary algorithm, probably requires the cognitive ability an average European or East Asian possesses.

To understand the mathematical basis of evolution, population genetics, requires ability requisite to completing a rigorous undergraduate mathematics curriculum - in the UK population genetics is a 3rd year course on a maths degree even in the top universities (it’s a rather dense subject) which means that your average biologist doesn’t have the talent required to understand it, either. This is ability at about 2 standard deviations of the European mean, i.e. the top 2% or so of Europeans and East Asians.

The people who push the frontiers of biology forward today are a much, much rarer breed of talent, still.

A few decades ago Harvard Psychologist Anne Roe conducted a psychometric study of the eminent scientists of her day, included in her study were such biologists as Sewall Wright one of the fathers of population genetics, and found that on average those guys were 4 standard deviations above the European mean on cognitive ability – that is they were in the top 0.01% in terms of IQ.

I will link Michigan State University Professor of Physics Steve Hsu’s blog discussion of this study:

You must be registered for see links

So what is the implication of all this?

You see, because of the way intelligence is distributed (the Gaussian distribution), even small differences in averages between groups ramifies into enormous differences at the tails. For example, if one group has a 10 point advantage in mean over another, it will in fact have a 6-fold advantage in amount of people with IQ 140+ the population sizes being kept the same, and this ratio of advantage increases the further out in the tail of the distribution we go.

As the question of “which nation or people is most likely to contribute to biology” is really a question of “which nation has the most people with IQ 160+” it therefore follows that cognitive ability and not population size (or even ideology to some extent but that is a discussion for another time) is what will be the critical factor.

In our time there is a convenient proxy question for this very question we asked above: “which countries do best in the International Biology Olympiad” for the talent required to win a medal on that competition is about 4 standard deviations above the European mean (there is a mathematical way to estimate this based on what proportion of students make it to their national teams every year but I’ll spare you those details).

The International Biology Olympiad site conveniently releases statistics on its performance every year:

You must be registered for see links

As you can see, except the occasional Iranian, there are no Muslims winning medals at the International Biology Olympiad even though most Muslim countries compete in it. There are more Chinese students from Singapore who have won medals in this competition than the entire Sunni Muslim world put together, Turkey included (although I ignore the exceptional case of the north Central Asians like the Kazakhs who are racially mostly East-Asian).

Why is this?

Keeping in mind our previous discussion of the nature of the bell-curve, the fact that East-Asians have an average IQ of 105 compared to the Muslim average of in the high 80s should make the answer evident.

At the end of the day, the Muslim world does not have the mental-ability talent to do much for modern biology.

So it’s pointless worrying over whether they teach science or not as long as they keep their retarded educational policies out of the places that do matter for biology – namely the west and East-Asia (and India to some extent, too).

Ehhhhhh..... In my personal opinion intelligence is more of an issue than opportunity thsn genetic or anything innate.

Also a factor is educational fields cultures value even in America the sciences by most people aren't pursued and valued and there's high level scientific illiteracy.

To your point in Nobel prizes and Muslim world the vast majority of the Muslim world is impoverished and war torn so how is that a fair scale. Muslims have historically contributed to the sciences when people would say Europe was educationally backward and can contribute in the future.

It all comes down to having a educated society which comes down to economics and what people socially value and in most places you go in the world education is severely under valued.

 

[Narushima]

Ehhhhhh..... In my personal opinion intelligence is more of an issue than opportunity thsn genetic or anything innate.

Also a factor is educational fields cultures value even in America the sciences by most people aren't pursued and valued and there's high level scientific illiteracy.

To your point in Nobel prizes and Muslim world the vast majority of the Muslim world is impoverished and war torn so how is that a fair scale. Muslims have historically contributed to the sciences when people would say Europe was educationally backward and can contribute in the future.

It all comes down to having a educated society which comes down to economics and what people socially value and in most places you go in the world education is severely under valued.

Doesn’t explain why impoverished East-Asian nations like Vietnam outperform most of the Muslim world together.

Doesn’t explain why, except for Iran, the Muslim countries that do perform decently in spite of their poverty are Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan etc – countries with peoples whose racial ancestries are mostly East-Asian.

Even the exception of Iran can be explained by population substructure (Iran is a somewhat mixed country, genetically). Have a look at Maryam Mirzakhani, the only woman to have won a mathematics equivalent of the Nobel prize, and an Iranian, and tell me she doesn’t look like she has European admixture.

Muslims have historically contributed to medieval science, the same standard we now teach in elementary-secondary school. Inventing basic algebra and inventing quantum mechanics require very different levels of intelligence.

 

[Mori Jin]

And some magic sky daddy creating the Earth 6000 years ago isn't bullshit?

When did I say he did Bobo? Go eat a Banana